Can Someone Explain Velocity?

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Someone please explain this so that a 5 yr old can understand. Reason being, everytime I read a discussion on RP's monetary policy. I always hear the response of how RP folks don't understand velocity of money (or something like that). And that why RP's monetary, austrian theory will never work. I would like to be able to trump that response with a good answer because I always see people step over it. Thx.
 
Not sure I can explain it for a five year old, but I can try and explain it to you.

Think of velocity much like the general circulation of a currency. How often does a fixed sum of money change hands. In a super small economy, the same $1,000 dollars may be used for transaction across an entire town, but the total amount of money spent is equal to the velocity of transactions. Perhaps $10,000 was spent. A local convenience store owner paid the doctor $1,000 for all his family visits. The doctor paid the poolboy (convenient store man's son) $50, the local theatre (where his daughter works), $20, and the gas station $40, so forth and so forth. The total money spent will be much more, but the original sum is rather static....

The reason that some will question Austrian theory is a false understanding of valuation. (there are much bigger concerns for Austrians)
 
Someone please explain this so that a 5 yr old can understand. Reason being, everytime I read a discussion on RP's monetary policy. I always hear the response of how RP folks don't understand velocity of money (or something like that). And that why RP's monetary, austrian theory will never work. I would like to be able to trump that response with a good answer because I always see people step over it. Thx.

All these fancy schmancy economic theories are just attempts to game the system... If the money supply were honest, I doubt we'd hear about half as many "explanations" about crap
 
Velocity is the speed and direction something is moving in.

Velocity of money is the speed at which money is exchanged. So if no one is spending any money, the velocity is low. If lots of people are spending, the velocity is higher.
 
When transactions and income are heavily taxed, an increase in the velocity of money results in increased government power and a poorer populace.
 
Someone please explain this so that a 5 yr old can understand. Reason being, everytime I read a discussion on RP's monetary policy. I always hear the response of how RP folks don't understand velocity of money (or something like that). And that why RP's monetary, austrian theory will never work. I would like to be able to trump that response with a good answer because I always see people step over it. Thx.

Here's the best I've got per my meager understanding of the topic.

Related to criticism's of Ron's monetary policy, which I'll assume to mean a competing currency standard and market-valued interest rates, it is presumed that the velocity of money would decrease under Ron's policy, because savings would be rewarded more than it is today. However, under that policy, savings would still only provide a return in concert with the rates of the day, and those interested in higher returns would still be able to risk more via other investments, the stock markets, venture capital. The upside is that those who are interested in just saving could do so safely, and those thirsty to recklessly spend would be limited by the market's interest rates and the level of risk perceived by the lender, leading to smarter investment decisions all around.

Interestingly, under current monetary policy, velocity has slowed tremendously due to the tremendous debt burden nations, corporations, etc., are carrying because of the easy credit (printing of money) made available over the years by the Fed and downward manipulated artificial interest rates the Fed centrally controls, leading to huge over-borrowing and over spending to the point now that payback is approaching impossible. Savings hasn't been rewarded due to the artificially low interest rates, but spending and loaning has, creating the environment for high risk investment decisions to be made, nay encouraged and even forced to keep all the plates spinning. As a result of the debts now sitting on everyone's balance sheets due to the current monetary policy of central fiat money and manipulated rates, banks and corporations are now sitting on huge reserves of cash but have tightened their fists and lending/investing practices in fear of inflation and currency devaluation (two sides of the same coin - ironic pun intended). The government with all its Fed printed stimulus money has been trying to increase the velocity once again, but it's not working due to the same reasons.

Others feel free to criticize/correct as needed. It can only further improve my understanding.

Thanks!
 
under current monetary policy, velocity has slowed tremendously due to the tremendous debt burden nations, corporations, etc., are carrying because of the easy credit (printing of money) made available over the years by the Fed and downward manipulated artificial interest rates the Fed centrally controls, leading to huge over-borrowing and over spending to the point now that payback is approaching impossible.

Okay there's a lot in this sentence:
under current monetary policy, velocity has slowed tremendously due to the tremendous debt burden nations, corporations, etc., are carrying because of the easy credit (printing of money)
This is not accurate....

Without countering forces, easy credit is a phenomenon that increases the velocity of money, not decrease it. This is one of the primary reasons why governments decrease interest rates and increase money supply in times of recession. Put it this way, if I could get a CD that paid 15%, I wouldn't even bother with the equity market. Like I said without countering forces, for all of the .gov's trying, the wall of fear created by current conditions causes individuals and corporations to hide in pitiful fixed income assets and not enter the market.

Also, i see you lumped corporations in with nations. Fact is corporate debt is at its lowest level in decades, corporations are hoarding cash, to paralyzed with fear to spend it, see previous point.

Savings hasn't been rewarded due to the artificially low interest rates, but spending and loaning has, creating the environment for high risk investment decisions to be made, nay encouraged and even forced to keep all the plates spinning.
You are partially right, savings isn't being rewarded, but investors keep stuffing money into the mattress anyways...
That's just it High risk investment decisions aren't being made. Forget high risk, large sections of the investment market can't get enough 1.46% US treasuries while exceedingly low risk stocks like McDonald's and Coca Cola offer you twice as much ROI just for holding the stock...
 
Df, thanks for the reply. My overall point (that I didn't state, duh) was that the monetary policy recommended by Ron Paul creates responsible velocity of money, whereas the current monetary policy in place has created irresponsible velocity of money.

My post, after re-reading, was trying to say too much too quickly, and combining scenarios in timeframes.

I agree with your statement "easy credit is a phenomenon that increases the velocity of money, not decreases it". My point was that over the years, velocity was high due to the easy credit/low interest rates, but now, even though credit is still available at low rates, velocity has slowed. My rationale for it slowing down was based on the high debt being carried, and the high risk investments made in the past during the high velocity period that have failed, and thus have people fearful.

Thanks for the note about corporate debt. That's an interesting data point for me.

I also agree with you that now, high risk decisions aren't being made, despite the still easy credit/low interest rates. Therefore velocity has now slowed, under a monetary policy that presumably is designed to keep velocity steady if not high and increasing.

Those who argue, as the OP stated, that RP's policy doesn't take into account the velocity of money, need to understand that the policy currently in effect has a much worse impact on the velocity of money.
 
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I vote for the explanation for a 5 year old.


Well the OP seems to have the attitude that if ONLY Austrian economists had a modest grasp of the concept of the velocity of money, then they would see that they are wrong about economics!!

What this article does is debunk the OP and mainstream economists thought process on the velocity of money.
 
Someone please explain this so that a 5 yr old can understand. Reason being, everytime I read a discussion on RP's monetary policy. I always hear the response of how RP folks don't understand velocity of money (or something like that). And that why RP's monetary, austrian theory will never work. I would like to be able to trump that response with a good answer because I always see people step over it. Thx.
Austrians tend to be critical of increases in the money supply both from government and from fractional reserve banking.

Opponents of Austrian Economics will point out that monetary velocity can and does account for a good deal of inflation/deflation to which they argue decreases the importance Austrians have placed on keeping a responsible supply of money in the economy.

Many Austrians are actually quite hostile to how monetary velocity is used in explaining monetary phenomena.

eg If the velocity doubles, then yes money will be spent twice as much...but it will also be sold twice as often. Thus somewhat of a canceling effect occurs. Inflation occurs when an economy spends more money than it acquires or when commodities become more scarce (which will result in bidding up their price).

An extreme illustration: Say two individuals learn that a faster monetary velocity will cause inflation. They hatch a plan by which they will artificially create inflation so they can sell their gold for big profit. So they take 100k in cash and put in a circular high speed centrifuge. The individuals create conditional contracts in which the money will be automatically sold to one if the money is one side of the centrifuge. If on the other side, then the other individual would be the seller. They ramp up the centrifuge to say the speed of light. That's 100k * lots of contracts which easily dwarfs the nations GDP! Did that create inflation? No...and this is kind of the point Austrians try to make. This also goes to show how mad Keynesians are to focus on 'aggregate demand' and 'aggregate supply' and this scientific experiment totally distorts their vaunted mathematical models.

Now the issue is more nuanced than that, but that is kind of it in a nutshell. To the Austrians, the velocity is more of a by-product or after-thought than a determent in monetary economics.
 
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Austrians tend to be critical of increases in the money supply both from government and from fractional reserve banking.

Opponents of Austrian Economics will point out that monetary velocity can and does account for a good deal of inflation/deflation to which they argue decreases the importance Austrians have placed on keeping a responsible supply of money in the economy.

Many Austrians are actually quite hostile to how monetary velocity is used in explaining monetary phenomena.

eg If the velocity doubles, then yes money will be spent twice as much...but it will also be sold twice as often. Thus somewhat of a canceling effect occurs. Inflation occurs when an economy spends more money than it acquires or when commodities become more scarce (which will result in bidding up their price).

An extreme illustration: Say two individuals learn that a faster monetary velocity will cause inflation. They hatch a plan by which they will artificially create inflation so they can sell their gold for big profit. So they take 100k in cash and put in a circular high speed centrifuge. The individuals create conditional contracts in which the money will be automatically sold to one if the money is one side of the centrifuge. If on the other side, then the other individual would be the seller. They ramp up the centrifuge to say the speed of light. That's 100k * lots of contracts which easily dwarfs the nations GDP! Did that create inflation? No...and this is kind of the point Austrians try to make. This also goes to show how mad Keynesians are to focus on 'aggregate demand' and 'aggregate supply' and this scientific experiment totally distorts their vaunted mathematical models.

Now the issue is more nuanced than that, but that is kind of it in a nutshell. To the Austrians, the velocity is more of a by-product or after-thought than a determent in monetary economics.

Wow, that's a really good analogy.
 
All these fancy schmancy economic theories are just attempts to game the system... If the money supply were honest, I doubt we'd hear about half as many "explanations" about crap

To simply this:
1) Every political system is an economy.
2) The United States of America is a Democratic Republic.
3) A Democratic Republic is an economic system. The philosophy behind it believes government works best on the more intimate local level. In other words, the best a national economist can be, expertly speaking, is on the state level. So, on the nation level, there should be fifty expert economists.

The economics of a Democratic Republic works when people from those nation-states with irresponsible economic policies (such as Massachusetts) pick up to migrate towards those with more responsible ones (such as Texas).

The idea of federal or global economies are fallacies as they work on the level of tyrannies. In a tyranny, rather than having expert economists, wizard like economists push the types of fallacies which support economics on the federal and global levels.

In other words, wizard economists are false economists detrimental to our Democratic Republic, detrimental to the individual powers of each nation-state, and, most important, detrimental to the Civil Purpose of the disadvantaged people themselves.

Austrian Ecomomics is an example of wizard economics as it tends to support the federal and global levels of tyranny rather than the more local levels of economics.
 
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There are two different meanings for money velocity. One is simply a description of the process itself (frequency at which a given quantity of money exchanges hands); the other is the actual theory that holds that this process affects the general level of prices, with low velocity leading to price deflation and high velocity leading to price inflation.

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In 1988 two members of the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC), Jerry Jordan and William Poole, expressed concern regarding the strong momentum of the money supply. Year-on-year in July money M3 increased by 9.2 per cent. These two men feared that the strong monetary momentum was likely to lift the rate of inflation in months to come.

Consequently they advocated that the Fed adopt a tighter monetary stance to prevent the acceleration in the rate of inflation. Many noted Wall Street economists regarded this fear as totally misplaced. It was held, that this thinking ignored the fact that the velocity of money was currently falling. This fall in money’s velocity, it was argued, neutralised the rising monetary momentum, thereby preventing a future increase in the rate of inflation.

What do they mean by velocity? The idea that there is such a thing as velocity is based on a view that money circulates. It is alleged that when the velocity of money rises all other things being equal, the buying power of money falls, i.e., prices of goods and services rise. The opposite occurs when velocity declines. If for example it was found that the quantity of money had increased by 10 per cent in a given year, while the price level as measured by the consumer price index, had remained unchanged, it would mean that there must have been a slowing down of about 10 per cent in the velocity of circulation.

But is that true? Does so-called velocity of money affect general price levels? Ludwig Von Mises argued that it did not, based on the fact that demand for goods and services are not set arbitrarily but rather consciously and purposefully. I take issue with that, as what Mises did not consider, in my opinion, were all the market distortions (supply and demand) due to malinvestment, and aggregate manipulation of the money supply (both magnitude and direction), which also affects individual preferences, which is is equally conscious and purposeful.

The actual velocity of money in itself is a very generalized theoretical observation, and not a very critically thinking one at that. It is like using terms such as "the economy" or "economy-wide", without any regard to WHOSE economy is affected. 100% of the wealth of "an economy" can be divided equally into parts A and B. If A steals all of B's wealth, "the economy" can be said not to have suffered at all, as it still has 100%. Likewise, "velocity of money" makes no distinctions, and it is truly ironic that the term velocity was even used.

Velocity is a vector quantity that describes both speed (magnitude) and direction. Direction implies points of origin as well as destinations. But like with any other non-Austrian theory, these little Detail Devils are disregarded in this aggregate-jumbling dog-wagging scenario. If you want to talk about true velocity, you must consider origins and destinations - not just frequency of changing "hands", as if all hands were somehow fungible. They are not. The "velocity" of money may slow to a crawl in one part of the economy (e.g., wagoners, ferriers and blacksmiths) as a result of acceleration in another part (automobiles). Or, in the case of any bubble, the velocity of money might flow (in both magnitude and direction) toward malinvestment -- and few would argue that this was not price inflationary on the assets that were overvalued as a direct result. Then comes the Value Collapse, which affects everyone, including those who did not benefit from the distortion wave.

The Fed has control over both interest rates and the actual base money supply (both magnitude). Commercial banks, also consciously and purposefully acting, have control over the source of money that competes directly with privately accumulated capital (savings), including WHO has access to credit (the direction component of velocity), and what they are willing to lend for.

It is also a well-established fact that saving and spending (both directly related to supply and demand), affects prices. Saving and spending (NOT IN THE AGGREGATE) can be accurately described in terms of velocity, since both the magnitude (amount saved or spent) and direction (spent on what) can be quantified. That holds true in ANY economy, including one where the total quantity of money in existence is not artificially distorted. In a perfectly competitive free market with a sound currency, savers are the spenders best friend, as aggregate savings SHOULD increase the relative value of all other currency in circulation. The Keynesian-spawned Fed can distort this self-equilibrating market dynamic by making savers/savings a non-issue. It can, through central control over base money and interest rates, and then by proxy through the commercial lending channels it facilitates, produce an army of spenders-who-are-not-borrowing-directly-from-savers. All of that "velocity" (magnitude and direction through preferred lending and spending channels) does very much affect prices. As a short term business cycle dynamic. Long term price inflation, however, is not based on the velocity of money but the increase in the amount of new money put into existence.

I know that's not the simple answer you're looking for, but that's my take on it.
 
If it's assumed that every transaction is beneficial to both parties, then it makes sense to think that the more transactions that happen, the better, right? Wrong!

This is because velocity merely measures the amount of transactions, and not the value added by those transactions. When two parties make a voluntary transaction, they both gain something from it, and therefore value increases. However, the same policies that are designed to increase the number of transactions, also decreases the value gained per transaction.

Because of the artificially low interest rates, money moves because it must, not because it wants to. You are penalized for holding onto your money. This creates a situation where transactions don't actually create any value, but instead are used to avoid losing value.
 
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