Can somebody sell me on Rand?

[Deborah K]

I am a Libertarian. Badnarick, Barr, and Johnson are my results for '04,'08 and '12, respectively. I don't believe anything Republicans say. Their words have never rung so hollow to me after W's Presidency. The only reason why I ever supported Ron Paul was because Libertarian party have spoken of him so fondly.

So, come 2016, why should I join grassroots for Rand?
Why should I believe anything he says? Because he's Ron Paul's son? That isn't enough for me.

Judging from the above, seems like you're hung up on party affiliation. Maybe put your focus on voting record from now on.

 

[dannno]

Maybe Doug Wead can convince you?

http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2012/11/07/rand-paul-for-president-2016/

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Bob Barr...wow!

 

[Southerner]

I too, consider myself Libertarian. I voted for every Libertarian on my ballot, and made a choice between others when there was no libertarian candidate in the 1970's. I NEVER saw a libertarian candidate I voted for elected, nor did I even see the vote tallies for those candidates reported by the media in most cases. I made the choice to try to get my vote to actually count, in the choice between lesser evils.

I don't think I can "sell" you on anyone or anything, that you already have strong preconceived notions on. I know how difficult its gonna be to get someone like Rand Paul to elected as POTUS, let alone win a GOP nomination. But my friend, the chances of that happening are many times greater than EVER seeing a LIBERTARIAN PARTY POTUS.

Its not so much the label of party that concerns me, its the character and beliefs of the man.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Regulars here know I'm not a Rand fan.

But seriously, if you voted for Barr, you can easily vote for Rand. Johnson is only slightly more libertarian than Rand, and has different faults. It's not much of a stretch from GJ to Rand, either.

 

[Tudo]

You mean sell you on a non libertarian who is also as trustworthy as benedict arnold? If you are a believer in freedom, nobody is going to be able to sell you on that traitor who helped bring us another 4 years of obama.

I supported Harry Browne btw. Have any other libertarians been nominated since that time?

 

[Natural Citizen]

I'll just use Rand's own words:

"Our Founders envisioned an America in which citizens would bully the government, not the other way around. This book is my effort to bring that America back."

--Rand Paul

Our Founders were also under the illusion that citizens were living and breathing humans of, by and for themselves and as such formed representation reflective of just that. That isn't the case now. Any old .INC has the gift of free speech and many others. They have the complete gift of constitution. In fact, what we have is a merge of multi-national corporation and state where these non-natural citizens are buying the ability to govern of, by and for themselves accordingly. Subsequently, citizens in the manner that our founders left it has been redefined into "consumers" and we have a bunch of morons running around acting as if they are defending free markets when essesntially what they are doing is defending fascism itself. Oh, yes. They're all shits and giggles about it too.

Conforming to the model quoted by Rand, these multi-national corporations (citizens, mind you. They have personhood) who buy the means to scribble the rules and govern of, by and for themselves can essentially bully out of existence and relevance these natural citizens that existed in the eyes of the founders as they envisioned America thus removing their means to ever repatriate America in the form in which these founders left it...for them.

Anyhoo. Regardless of that. Does Rand aim to fix that in his book? What does he mean by bring America back? For "whom" exactly? I have it but just haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

Plus, I was just reading this old article and now I'm reminded of why such quotes from these politicians really need a good once over once in a while. http://archive.truthout.org/corporations-are-citizens-what-are-we56329

I don't know. I guess I should probably just read the thing and get it over with. I'm just so fed up with politicians yapping about how they want to do this for citizens and that for citizens. Which ones? They never say. Is convenient as hell, that's for sure.

Personally, I don't think any politician ought to be even mentioning the word citizen until citizenship itself is re-established and placed back into the ownership of actual human people the way our founders left it. It's the only way we'll ever truly bring back America to the state of which our founding fathers envisioned it. Of course, I can't see that happening as long as we continue to accept that these multi-national corporate raiders can maintain the monumental hijacking of citizenship itself thus bullying the very men who were meant to be government in the first place out of relevance in the matter.

Really, the only thing one can do at this point is to pay close attention to which multi-national corporation is writing the rules and dictating policy and then follow which representatives support them as opposed to us...consumers. You know? Like a list or something?

 

[Agorism]

Ya I can try.

Ron probably isn't running so we're stuck with Rand.

What I don't get is why Rand doesn't just stick to bread and butter issues rather than wondering into all these mud pits.

In my opinion he should not talk about or bother supporting "comprehensive immigration reform". Filibuster all the dems tax hiking scheme and debt cieling. Don't change policy on Israel and the middle East from Ron's (just don't give critics sound bits either).

Rand always seems to be going in these random directions that only hurt him and his prospects and disenfranchise people.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

If you want a taste of liberty in your lifetime Rand is your man.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

The only argument I can come up with is...

Would you rather have Bush, Rubio, or Rand Paul?

 

[Southerner]

"Quick sale: You voted for Bob fricking Barr for crying out loud. " (ROLL TIDE!) & lol.

 

[specsaregood]

Anyhoo. Regardless of that. Does Rand aim to fix that in his book? What does he mean by bring America back? For "whom" exactly? I have it but just haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

Yeah, you should probably just read it. No, that is not his focus. His short-term focus is to attempt to reign in the executive branch and bring all those departments under the control of congress; so they can't make their own laws or rules they could only do what is explictly defined by the congress.