Can Ron Paul still win the GOP nomination???

[Origanalist]

A couple months ago, it was going to be that either Paul or Obama was going to be president.
Romney wasn't in consideration. Even if he ended up the nominee, he was going to lose the general big time.

Now, it's either Romney or Obama? Well, we know who to thank for the shift, for making it possible for Romney to win, and I'm looking pretty squarely at Mr. Hunter.

So now it's Jack Hunters fault?

 

[sailingaway]

Unless Romney passes away, goes to prison, or does something incredibly stupid that causes his poll numbers to tank to single digits, no, Ron Paul will not be the nominee.

The point of secondary goal of accumulating delegates is to show that the grassroots activists are serious about making change and the direction of the party. We're demonstrating that we're not going anywhere.

Our secondary goal is an RNC with a choice, with Ron at least in nomination to the convention and able to give an unedited nomination speech, and the ability of MEMBERSHIP to do business, not just the establishment -- that last takes six states, one to make a motion and five to second a motion. We should be able to do that, even if we need different coalitions of a few people here and there on different issues. Then it will be up to the majority to debate and vote, but at least we can do business. We haven't been able to get conservative views into the establishment management for a generation. It is about time we had an RNC run as they were designed to be run.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Oh here is where he got his source http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1555.htm the title is Kissinger vows to China: “Jeb Bush Will Be Next President”

The article reads: "...Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping met with Jeb Bush [photo top left] yesterday at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing where both pledged to advance cooperation between their two countries and, this report says, agreed that once Bush had taken office a ‘new era’ would begin in US-China relations.

According to this report, Kissinger told Keqiang that the Republican Party election process to select their nominee to run against President Obama was “completely manipulated” to ensure that their 2012 Convention would be “deadlocked” thus allowing for Jeb Bush to be nominated as a “consensus candidate” and thus his parties leader...."

If any aspect is true, given the inaccuracy above about how the primary race would play out, it means the elite plan changed. Either the idea is now to push Jeb into office in 2016, or have him become the running mate of Mitt, who then loses. In either case, it may mean Jeb will be the next President because Obama will be reinstalled for a second term.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Either the idea is now to push Jeb into office in 2016, or have him become the running mate of Mitt, who then loses.

FWIW, Jeb has publicly endorsed Rubio for the position.

 

[CPUd]

Oh here is where he got his source http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1555.htm the title is Kissinger vows to China: “Jeb Bush Will Be Next President”

That site is like one giant tabloid.

 

[Noob]

Well for every delegate Ron get's its one less for Romney. It be a major upset if he does.

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

Can Ron Paul still win the GOP nomination?

If God himself comes down from heaven and tells the RNC that he wants Ron as the nominee. Maybe.

 

[Toxic]

I think he Pauls and Romney know what the outcome will be already. Rand's endorsement pretty much sealed the deal for Romney.

 

[Jesubub]

Even if conditions were favorable to fighting for the nomination in Tampa, Jesse Benton would find a way to screw it up.

 

[squirekyle]

Can Ron Paul still win the GOP nomination?

If God himself comes down from heaven and tells the RNC that he wants Ron as the nominee. Maybe.

They'd probably just try to kill him again like they did 2000 years ago, remember, it was the religious people that put Jesus to death.

 

[affa]

Praying is not the method we should be using, the top method, to get Rand the VP slot. We can get it, if we work for it. Talking as some do about how terrible Rand Paul is for endorsing Romney is not the way to accomplish this.

Perhaps getting Rand the VP spot isn't everyone's goal? I don't care who Romney's VP pick is.

The second every Ron Paul supporter starts deciding Romney is okay if he picks Rand, they win, and they'll dangle that like a carrot and STILL pull out the carpet from under us at the last second. Screw that.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Perhaps getting Rand the VP spot isn't everyone's goal? I don't care who Romney's VP pick is.

Neither do I.

The second every Ron Paul supporter starts deciding Romney is okay if he picks Rand, they win, and they'll dangle that like a carrot and STILL pull out the carpet from under us at the last second. Screw that.

Exactly. We will be blamed when Romney gets slaughtered in the election. They will say 'Oh, its those stupid Libertarians/Ron Paul people who made us lose the election!' Anyone who CANNOT see the end game for us if this goes through is a fool.

 

[donnay]

And yet I am being called emotional and delusional because Rand compromised our position...Ron Paul was never going to be in the White House!! The system, both parasitic parties are the wings of the same vulture. No compromise, small or large is going to gain anything. TPTB control it all and we have to changes minds of people, because people are who TPTB are scared of.


I am not a spectator for liberty!!! I will not compromise!

 

[dgladen]

The only way for Ron to win now is to win by the popular vote which cannot happen unless we take on a voting strike and refuse to cast a vote. It has to be 40% or less I believe for this to happen. I mean only that number of people actually vote. If we don't vote for the delegates choice, then they become disenfranchised and the popular vote can rule. I believe I have this right. Correct me if I am wrong. We should instead refuse to go to work, refuse to spend our credit cards,refuse to pay federal taxes, close our bank accounts, pull together to help those who have been left in impoverishment situations and have a Nation wide sit down on all capitol lawns demanding justice from this debauched infiltrated broken down system of tyrannical hypocrites who we have paid to represent us. I say, we STRIKE AS A NATION FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE AND THE RULE OF LAW!! Otherwise, we have nothing to look forward to but a nightmarish world government where we have absolutely no rights at all.

 

[DeMintConservative]

And if Romney has a stroke?

I'd say a guy like Chris Christie or Bobby Jindal would be the nominee in that scenario.

 

[affa]

I'd say a guy like Chris Christie or Bobby Jindal would be the nominee in that scenario.

Nothing really has changed from months ago. The mass media was always going to distort, ignore, and outright lie. The establishment was always going to cheat, ignore rules at their convenience, and try to push Romney through. We were never going to be allowed to win a state, we were never going to be allowed to truly gain visible momentum.

We're the underdog fighting an all powerful hydra.

We either take it in Tampa, our way, or we don't. It's ALWAYS had to end that way. All those hoping an early win would have changed the media's tune don't get it -- the media is owned by the same powers that be that represent the bankers and the MIC.

It's on us. Always has been. Nothing's changed, except those who still wanted to believe there was some bit of good left in the establishment are hopefully waking up.

 

[DualSpace]

Let's move on.

 

[SantanJ]

Well for every delegate Ron get's its one less for Romney. It be a major upset if he does.

There would have to be 650 MORE stealth deelgates (willing to pay the penalty) for Ron Paul than even Ron Paul knows about. Remember..his e-mail said 500 Ron Paul supporters would be delegates. He was already COUNTING the (estimated) stealth delegates in that 500 number. (200 that can vote for him, and another 300)

It simply is not going to happen. there is simply NO WAY the campaign thinks that he has 300 steatlh delegates when he actually has 950.

And that doesn't even include the Nevada ones that have already said they will honor the popular vote results and vote for Romney. Ron Paul counted them in his 500. And they are voting for Romney anyway.

Can Ron Paul still win the GOP nomination?

If God himself comes down from heaven and tells the RNC that he wants Ron as the nominee. Maybe.

Yeah...but what are th odds on THAT happening? Like maybe 40%?

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

Have you ever met anyone that has made a decision that you did not anticipate? Have you ever met anyone that changed their decision at the last moment? What would happen if Dr. Paul made a statement that he has 1,300 delegates?

The point is, no one knows anything until AFTER the delegates vote. I want and still holding out for a Paul nomination, but regardless, do you plan on accepting the status quo and their actions or will you continue to confront these actions?

 

[SantanJ]

Have you ever met anyone that has made a decision that you did not anticipate? Have you ever met anyone that changed their decision at the last moment? What would happen if Dr. Paul made a statement that he has 1,300 delegates?

The point is, no one knows anything until AFTER the delegates vote. I want and still holding out for a Paul nomination, but regardless, do you plan on accepting the status quo and their actions or will you continue to confront these actions?

Fine, if you want to hold out hope for a miracle...but with Ron Paul himself saying that he will have "upwards of 500" supporters, still holding out hope for there being 1144...or 644 more than Ron Paul himself (who would have FAR more information than any of us) is silly.

Especially when it would mean that not just those 644, but a full 944 would have to go against the rules of bound delegates (a rule that Ron Paul used in his e-mail) for it to happen.

Sorry, but it is just not going to happen and there is noshame in accepting it. Facing reality does not make you a bad Ron Paul supporter. HE has faced the reality. And that reality is that he has NOT been getting the delegates at recent state conventions. Romney's campaign is not stupid. They know almost every one of their delegates. They have checked up on them. I am not referring to the ones in Massachusetts or Nevada that are bound to him but are clearly Paul supporters. I am talking about every one of the 1100 or so that thereal2012delegatecount is giving to Romney. His campaign knows these are solidly for Romney. And everyone knows (or should know) that Romney will get virtually EVERY superdelegate. So he really only needs about 1010 delegates. a quarter of those from from slates which DEFINITELY don't have stealth Paul supporters on them. Counting superdelegates and slates, to keep him under 1144, well over 60% of his delegates would have to be stealth. AND willing to go against the binding. (Unlike Nevada which has already said they wouldn't.)

You don't have to LIKE it, but you really should accept it. It is over. If this was a football game, Ron Paul is down by 29 points with a minute to go and Romney has the ball. Ron Paul's e-mail last week was basically saying "Well...we didn't win. I am not going to walk off the field before the clock runs out. But at this point, I am not going to call time outs to stop the clock just to ge the ball back with 12 seconds."

Or, if you are not a football fan but still a sports fan, Ron Paul is a basketball team down by 17 with 34 seconds left. And his letter stated that he would no longer be fouling the other team to stop the clock and put them on the free throw line. Because there is nothing worse than watching a game when a team does that whe there is no way they can win. Not even Reggie Miller playing against the Knicks could overcome the lead that Romney has right now.

The BEST move for the movement is to continue supporting Ron Paul up to the Convention...hope that he gets two more states to at least be eligible and give a speech, but also looking ahead to the FUTURE.