Campaign Press Release: RON PAUL WINNING THE BATTLE FOR DELEGATES

[Mark37snj]

The establishment already knew the Ron Paul campaign was doing this. I even heard a few pundits on CNN and Fox talk about this weeks ago.

 

[PolicyReader]

so any idea why that fox reporter said it wasnt legit mathematically?

Because Faux has used their own special math for years now?
Just in the last few months alone they plotted a graph to show 8.6% as higher than 9.9% and in another instance showed Paul "surging into second" while he held the highest total of votes counted in that poll.
I think it comes down to soothing the voters who won't bother to fact check what is said, which is pretty much the baseline for how corporate media operates.

2c

ps~ based on all the renditions of the figures I've seen it's quite solid mathematically and far as I can tell that's what has the Status Quo boosters so worried about Ron Paul

 

[BKom]

@BKom Please explain how an entire campaign doesn't realize what they're doing Great Wise One?

Well, it's pretty clear they don't understand the delegate process in NV. Because they've got what they've got, no matter how many precinct delegates they have. I happen to be one of those delegates, and there's not a darn thing I can do to affect the outcome in terms of number of national delegates, unless candidates drop out. And that isn't going to happen this time.

The rules changed here in NV because of what a small handful of us were able to accomplish last time. It seems the national campaign doesn't understand that.

Wise enough for you?

 

[pacelli]

They released this NOW for the die-hard supporters. You know, the type of people that visit places like Daily Paul and Ron Paul Forums, etc?

I'm glad they did.

 

[eleganz]

Obama supporters would be mad to hear about this news...every time Ron gains an inch in this election Obama supporters cry.


I've had one Obama supporter tell me that we're 'gaming' the system with the delegate strategy, essentially inferring that we have to cheat to win, LOL...they're so afraid.

 

[gerryb]

Well, it's pretty clear they don't understand the delegate process in NV. Because they've got what they've got, no matter how many precinct delegates they have. I happen to be one of those delegates, and there's not a darn thing I can do to affect the outcome in terms of number of national delegates, unless candidates drop out. And that isn't going to happen this time.

The rules changed here in NV because of what a small handful of us were able to accomplish last time. It seems the national campaign doesn't understand that.

Wise enough for you?

You know if you are a National delegate, you will become unbound if it is a brokered convention? IF we don't have RP folks as delegates to national, all is lost.

Also, from what I've read of the NV rules, you can also move to unbind the delegation at the State convention.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

And then the country can have a real presidential election.

It makes me wonder that if the MSM is anyone but Paul, why do they prop and surge candidates? And in doing so, increase the possibility of a brokered convention. Bret Baier did look confused last night on the topic...

The media and establishment thinks a brokered convention will work to the party controllers' advantage, or simply that the 'right' deals will be cut to get Mitt or a substitute moderate nominated. Anything, they think, to block Paul from winning anywhere. The Paul campaign has been advocating this delegate strategy in 2008 and 2012, so it's had a long time to work this out.

It didn't take hold in '08 because the winner-take-all primaries were so frontloaded in the schedule (and most contenders dropped out so soon) that there were not enough states left, or a divided enough field to make the strategy work. This primary race is obviously different. The MSM is still thinking based on the pre-2012 scenario where winning the nomination mostly depended on winning states outright, not finessing delegates. They may be in for a big surprise.

 

[LibertasPraesidium]

REALITY

WINNING

 

[PolicyReader]

Not all states are bound after the popular vote. Nevada is, Minnesota isn't which puts all its delegates up for grabs.
Now clearly the idea isn't to avoid taking any bound delegates but there's no reason not to play by the rules and pick up extra unbound delegates where ever possible.
Pointing out the fact that the direct popular vote doesn't actually decide the nomination so that the less politically educated supporters don't buy the media bull about it 'being effectively over' is worth doing.

For now, despite his rough night, the NPR tracker shows Mitt Romney leading with 73 delegates; Newt Gingrich in second with 29; Ron Paul in third place with 8; and Tuesday's big winner, Rick Santorum, in last place with 3 delegates. All have a long way to go to get to 1,144, the number needed to secure the GOP nomination.

http://www.kunc.org/post/counting-gop-delegates-not-theyre-official
There's the actual total as of today and some of the contests due to the nature of how they award delegates won't grant bound delegates at all, beyond that no one will know how things like the challenge to the FL process violating the GOP rules will play out until it is finally adjudicated. And all of that is without even touching the whole 'brokered convention' idea one way or another.

 

[BKom]

You know if you are a National delegate, you will become unbound if it is a brokered convention? IF we don't have RP folks as delegates to national, all is lost.

Also, from what I've read of the NV rules, you can also move to unbind the delegation at the State convention.

The problem with this is that the Mittbots will show up this time. We won't be likely to unbind delegates because they have a majority. And you're correct, we may be unbound on a second ballot at the national convention. But to support Ron, we'll need more Ron national delegates, and the party has figured out how to keep that from happening now. We had surprise on our side last time, but this time it's not going to work.

 

[LibertasPraesidium]

We have organization on our side this time and they are having issues with that.

This process is exceptionally different in each state and even my example is different from what MN does. It was a basic example of how the system works.

 

[robert9712000]

The problem with this is that the Mittbots will show up this time. We won't be likely to unbind delegates because they have a majority. And you're correct, we may be unbound on a second ballot at the national convention. But to support Ron, we'll need more Ron national delegates, and the party has figured out how to keep that from happening now. We had surprise on our side last time, but this time it's not going to work.

Well its Obvious were not going to even have a shot at the nomination unless it comes down to a brokered convention.But in your opinion it wont work.So what do you suggest we do.Give up and accept defeat?

Im tired of accepting that our country will continue to take away my rights and place greater and greater burdens on me financially.There comes a point where the odds of winning don't matter.If there's a 1% chance its still better worth trying to fight for it than accepting what the status quo has to offer you.

 

[flynn]

Why do you think they called him frothy? Because he's been falling for people sneaking up on his backdoor all the time.

 

[LibertasPraesidium]

Well its Obvious were not going to even have a shot at the nomination unless it comes down to a brokered convention.But in your opinion it wont work.So what do you suggest we do.Give up and accept defeat?

Im tired of accepting that our country will continue to take away my rights and place greater and greater burdens on me financially.There comes a point where the odds of winning don't matter.If there's a 1% chance its still better worth trying to fight for it than accepting what the status quo has to offer you.

Luckily with the way things are going there is a better and better chance each day that we are winning.

 

[evilfunnystuff]

Bump

 

[RonPaulMall]

By claiming they'll get delegates out of proportion to their votes, the campaign is making a huge mistake. And they're also showing that they don't understand the delegate process. Here in Nevada, it doesn't matter how many delegates they got on caucus day. The proportion of national delegates are fixed by how he did in the preference poll. It is not a "straw vote" as they claim. It was last time, but not this time. And the reason it isn't this time is because of what we did by almost taking over the state convention.

That is true about Nevada, but it is most certainly not true about Minnesota, Colorado, or Missouri. To some extent, the press release is clearly propaganda. They cherry picked precincts in which we won every single delegate and highlighted those. But the point stands. We should win at least the plurality of national delegates in Minnesota and maybe an outright majority. Colorado won't be as good, but better than our percentage of the vote yesterday. Same thing for Missouri. We are going to win delegates out of proportion to our votes. It doesn't matter in Nevada, but it matters everywhere else.

 

[Aratus]

we might get the nomination before things go brokered, but if they do, lets position ourselves.

 

[ILUVRP]

i have been a very strong RP as POTUS supporter for the last 6 yrs , the thing is he for sure needs a new strong issue that effects all americans and pull new supporters into his camp.

last year ( 2011 ) americans spent about $500 billion on gasoline , thats $100 billion more than 2010. with the price of crude oil at $100/ba and will never ( i think ) go below $90/ba again .

a lot of the price of crude oil is because of big speculators and the OPEC cartel. no commodity should be traded on our futures exchanges that is controlled be a cartel . that is not FREE TRADE .

if they want to trade crude oil and the cracks ( heating oil/gasoline ) then the margin requirements should be raised from 6% to 75% --the contracts should be for delivery only , if you by a contract or a thousand contracts you must take delivery.

the price of crude oil is going to kill our economy and no one seems to care.

if RP ever wants to get above 15% he must get on a new idea that normal americans understand , thats their pocket book.

 

[cheapseats]

i have been a very strong RP as POTUS supporter for the last 6 yrs , the thing is he for sure needs a new strong issue that effects all americans and pull new supporters into his camp.

last year ( 2011 ) americans spent about $500 billion on gasoline , thats $100 billion more than 2010. with the price of crude oil at $100/ba and will never ( i think ) go below $90/ba again .

a lot of the price of crude oil is because of big speculators and the OPEC cartel. no commodity should be traded on our futures exchanges that is controlled be a cartel . that is not FREE TRADE .

if they want to trade crude oil and the cracks ( heating oil/gasoline ) then the margin requirements should be raised from 6% to 75% --the contracts should be for delivery only , if you by a contract or a thousand contracts you must take delivery.

the price of crude oil is going to kill our economy and no one seems to care.

if RP ever wants to get above 15% he must get on a new idea that normal americans understand , thats their pocket book.

YES.

I have the DISTINCT impression that some of the Legislate Morality folk WOULD pay $20/gallon for gas, in exchange for overturn of Roe vs. Wade.

What has one to do with the other, you ask? NOTHING.

 

[opinionatedfool]

Nope. Correspondant just held up the press release at the end of interview laughed and said that. Said Ron only has 9 delegates.

What a dummy.