Campaign Expenditures and SERIOUS PROBLEMS AT THE TOP of our campaign

[mconder]

What the heck are materials exactly? I would hope that the largest expendatures are for direct mail, print media, radio and television...not for "materials" and salaries.

 

[da32130]

That is not even close to what I got. I got a Libertarian radio host. Then I found his name on Daily Paul as the person who was in charge of the Iowa campaign--you know the campaign where the database got corrupted--either the program or the file or whatever--no one really seems to know.

Well, could you post the links for this information for all to see?

this is the search i did, where I found J. R. Seehusen Associates Inc. to be an executive search firm:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...&q=J.+R.+Seehusen+Associates+Inc.&btnG=Search

 

[Bossobass]

I'm asking the mods to open a forum strictly for baseless whining against 'the official campaign'.

My son and his friends worked canvassing in South Carolina this past weekend. They were put up in a hotel. They were given detailed walking lists. They were given plenty of literature for specific talking points, depending on the interest of the person contacted. ALL PROVIDED BY THE CAMPAIGN. They accomplished one helluva lot and came away extremely gratified for their time and travel spent.

I suggest that many, many, many, many more of us get our butts in gear and join these commendable young folks in this most important work.

Ron Paul, Kent Snyder, Lew Moore, et, al, and those of us who are non-stop grassroots WORKERS have pulled off a miracle getting double digits in Iowa. Jim Gilmore, Tommy Thompson, Tom Tancredo, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Duncan Hunter, are ALL either off the radar or have dropped out of the race because of being marginalized, and/or ignored by the GOP and the US media. Considering the fact that RP has been treated poorer than all of those guys, the significance is even more evident.

A brokered convention (about which the majority of RP supporters have no clue) has been a strategy all along. It's a very smart strategy and looks to be shaping up as almost a prophetic call. You cannot vie in a brokered convention UNLESS YOU MAKE IT THERE WITH DELEGATES ON THE FLOOR.

We grow by positive thinking and positive actions. This place used to be nothing but brilliant ideas and awesome execution of those ideas...not negative whining.

Move this shit out of grassroots so we can concentrate on becoming delegates, raising money, hitting the streets in SC, Michigan, Nevada, etc., better slogans, better signage, honing our knowledge of the issues, streamlining the platform, etc., etc.

If these threads aren't moved to their own spot I'll end up being banned because I will begin pissing on the people who insist on bringing this crap into this forum.

Bosso

 

[dante]

I'm asking the mods to open a forum strictly for baseless whining against 'the official campaign'.

My son and his friends worked canvassing in South Carolina this past weekend. They were put up in a hotel. They were given detailed walking lists. They were given plenty of literature for specific talking points, depending on the interest of the person contacted. ALL PROVIDED BY THE CAMPAIGN. They accomplished one helluva lot and came away extremely gratified for their time and travel spent.

I suggest that many, many, many, many more of us get our butts in gear and join these commendable young folks in this most important work.

Ron Paul, Kent Snyder, Lew Moore, et, al, and those of us who are non-stop grassroots WORKERS have pulled off a miracle getting double digits in Iowa. Jim Gilmore, Tommy Thompson, Tom Tancredo, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Duncan Hunter, are ALL either off the radar or have dropped out of the race because of being marginalized, and/or ignored by the GOP and the US media. Considering the fact that RP has been treated poorer than all of those guys, the significance is even more evident.

A brokered convention (about which the majority of RP supporters have no clue) has been a strategy all along. It's a very smart strategy and looks to be shaping up as almost a prophetic call. You cannot vie in a brokered convention UNLESS YOU MAKE IT THERE WITH DELEGATES ON THE FLOOR.

We grow by positive thinking and positive actions. This place used to be nothing but brilliant ideas and awesome execution of those ideas...not negative whining.

Move this shit out of grassroots so we can concentrate on becoming delegates, raising money, hitting the streets in SC, Michigan, Nevada, etc., better slogans, better signage, honing our knowledge of the issues, streamlining the platform, etc., etc.

If these threads aren't moved to their own spot I'll end up being banned because I will begin pissing on the people who insist on bringing this crap into this forum.

Bosso

QFT + 20,000,000

 

[deedles]

I'm asking the mods to open a forum strictly for baseless whining against 'the official campaign'.

My son and his friends worked canvassing in South Carolina this past weekend. They were put up in a hotel. They were given detailed walking lists. They were given plenty of literature for specific talking points, depending on the interest of the person contacted. ALL PROVIDED BY THE CAMPAIGN. They accomplished one helluva lot and came away extremely gratified for their time and travel spent.

I suggest that many, many, many, many more of us get our butts in gear and join these commendable young folks in this most important work.

Ron Paul, Kent Snyder, Lew Moore, et, al, and those of us who are non-stop grassroots WORKERS have pulled off a miracle getting double digits in Iowa. Jim Gilmore, Tommy Thompson, Tom Tancredo, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Duncan Hunter, are ALL either off the radar or have dropped out of the race because of being marginalized, and/or ignored by the GOP and the US media. Considering the fact that RP has been treated poorer than all of those guys, the significance is even more evident.

A brokered convention (about which the majority of RP supporters have no clue) has been a strategy all along. It's a very smart strategy and looks to be shaping up as almost a prophetic call. You cannot vie in a brokered convention UNLESS YOU MAKE IT THERE WITH DELEGATES ON THE FLOOR.

We grow by positive thinking and positive actions. This place used to be nothing but brilliant ideas and awesome execution of those ideas...not negative whining.

Move this shit out of grassroots so we can concentrate on becoming delegates, raising money, hitting the streets in SC, Michigan, Nevada, etc., better slogans, better signage, honing our knowledge of the issues, streamlining the platform, etc., etc.

If these threads aren't moved to their own spot I'll end up being banned because I will begin pissing on the people who insist on bringing this crap into this forum.

Bosso

+1

 

[deedles]

I am not saying I agree with these concerns, only that they are being spread and it is time that we all do our homework and see if there is:

A> Truth to those concerns over which we can hopefully exert some accountability and get some changes made.
B> False claims here that must be DOCUMENTED as false and put to rest.

A> Truth to those concerns over which we can hopefully exert some accountability and get some changes made.
B> False claims here that must be DOCUMENTED as false and put to rest.[/QUOTE]

I am not saying I agree with these concerns, only that they are being spread

Yeah and you are spreading them! Big troublemaker... every thread you start is all drama and BIG TIME STUFF TO WORRY ABOUT.

Hey, Dr Paul has won elections for years... you lost the one you were in and the meetup group that you organize is kinda pathetic.

I'd still like to know how you fathom are ROAMING IN THE UPPER ECHELONS OF ANYTHING?

Holy narcissistic personality, batman.

Please go back to the meetup boards... you're one of the biggest reasons I left.

 

[parke]

yuck..

There are stories circulating at the top layers of the grassroots that we have a very serious problem at the top of the official campaign. Rumors are coming out that the top leadership:

1. May consist of old-style Libertarian proponents of the "remnant theory," i.e. that they need really do nothing, and that all things will come together for good in a magical way on their own.
2. That many of the top campaign officials are not really Ron Paul-principle types, but closet neocons. (Source: Robert Goldsborough)
3. That many of the top campaign officials, in addition to their exorbitant salaries, have also set up "consulting firms" for which many tens of thousands of dollars are siphoned off through billings for ineffective services.

Now, maybe this stuff is true, and maybe it isn't but I am sure everyone is familiar with the constant refrain from HQ that suggests that they can not "talk to" or "coordinate" with leaders in the grassroots. FEC regulations are always cited as the reason, but might that not be convenient cover for NOT WANTING TO?

Please take a look at the 3rd quarter campaign expenditures:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/expend.asp?id=N00005906&cycle=2008

Compare it to Hucakbee's (for example) and see what you find.

Also, rumors are that we may have spent less than $1.5 million in NH because someone has decided to follow a Giuliani "Super Tuesday" philosophy which can not work for us because we don't have:

A> The built in "9-11 Hero" name recognition (50% of voters STILL have never heard of Ron Paul.)
B> Campaign funding will dry up quickly if we continue to lose in SC, NV and MI--and we will have no time to reignite the giving before Super Tuesday.
C> We will NEVER get all the free MSM publicity that Giuliani gets every day.


WHAT YOU CAN?MUST DO:

If there is a Ron Paul event coming near you, GATHER A GROUP OF CONCERNED supporters who share the concerns about national HQ, and approach RP with these concerns afterwards. It is VERY LIKELY, repeat VERY LIKELY that he personally knows nothing about any of this.

ewwwwww.

If you think Ron Paul is an idiot, check again. This is a movement. Dr. Paul is a smart man.. stick around and let him run the show. This isnt his first rodeo and you better believe he has a plan.

Remember this... He's the only man running thats telling the truth. Taking on the war industry and the banking industry head on.. then taking on big medicine too.

We need to dig our trenches deep and keep our eyes on the ultimate goal.

I trust Ron Paul.

 

[Ron LOL]

I plan to write a book about this.

"The Ron Paul Revolution: How to Lose an Election When You Can't Possibly Lose."

 

[mackler]

Do not trust the official campaign.

We've got as far as we have despite the official campaign staff, not because of them.

I don't know if they're compromised. I don't know if they're just incompetent. Frankly it doesn't matter. If you rely on them for anything more than providing yard signs, you're asking to lose.

I wish it weren't this way, but it is. If we don't learn fast, we will lose, guaranteed. I for one, don't want that.

 

[AlbemarleNC0003]

Ron Paul knows what he is doing.. Have faith in this man

I cannot stress how important it is to become a precinct captain. Contact your local GOP today.

 

[scooter]

I expected these types of posts to come about on the RP forums.

There are a lot of conspiracy theorists that back Ron Paul. What the heck, why not have yet another conspiracy about the campaign staff.

 

[dspectre]

I'm asking the mods to open a forum strictly for baseless whining against 'the official campaign'.

My son and his friends worked canvassing in South Carolina this past weekend. They were put up in a hotel. They were given detailed walking lists. They were given plenty of literature for specific talking points, depending on the interest of the person contacted. ALL PROVIDED BY THE CAMPAIGN. They accomplished one helluva lot and came away extremely gratified for their time and travel spent.

I suggest that many, many, many, many more of us get our butts in gear and join these commendable young folks in this most important work.

Ron Paul, Kent Snyder, Lew Moore, et, al, and those of us who are non-stop grassroots WORKERS have pulled off a miracle getting double digits in Iowa. Jim Gilmore, Tommy Thompson, Tom Tancredo, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Duncan Hunter, are ALL either off the radar or have dropped out of the race because of being marginalized, and/or ignored by the GOP and the US media. Considering the fact that RP has been treated poorer than all of those guys, the significance is even more evident.

A brokered convention (about which the majority of RP supporters have no clue) has been a strategy all along. It's a very smart strategy and looks to be shaping up as almost a prophetic call. You cannot vie in a brokered convention UNLESS YOU MAKE IT THERE WITH DELEGATES ON THE FLOOR.

We grow by positive thinking and positive actions. This place used to be nothing but brilliant ideas and awesome execution of those ideas...not negative whining.

Move this shit out of grassroots so we can concentrate on becoming delegates, raising money, hitting the streets in SC, Michigan, Nevada, etc., better slogans, better signage, honing our knowledge of the issues, streamlining the platform, etc., etc.

If these threads aren't moved to their own spot I'll end up being banned because I will begin pissing on the people who insist on bringing this crap into this forum.

Bosso

Thanks Bosso!! We need this kind of talk on the boards!!

 

[AlbemarleNC0003]

Thanks Bosso!! We need this kind of talk on the boards!!

I thought people watched West Wing. Let them throw whatever they have at us. We look disorganized, but the win comes with the local support. Remember Paul's philosophy. You have to start local.

 

[melianthus]

Do not trust the official campaign.

We've got as far as we have despite the official campaign staff, not because of them.

Are you people morons?

Why aren't all you who are complaining out canvassing your neighborhood instead of complaining about things you really don't know anything about??

Of course maybe if you are as stupid as you sound, you'd better not canvass. We need to get votes, not lose them.

 

[Talldude1412]

Do not trust the official campaign.

We've got as far as we have despite the official campaign staff, not because of them.

I don't know if they're compromised. I don't know if they're just incompetent. Frankly it doesn't matter. If you rely on them for anything more than providing yard signs, you're asking to lose.

I wish it weren't this way, but it is. If we don't learn fast, we will lose, guaranteed. I for one, don't want that.

lolzzzzz

I fully support independent grassroots. But the campaign has been doing some great things. Compiling the precinct captains program being a major +1000, if you haven't joined DO SO NOW! It gives all the info you need about every important voter in your precinct and issues that are important to them. GET INTO GEAR PEOPLE.

Unless I get irrefutable and undeniable proof of some terrible wrong doing I am liable to tell you people F- off. Stop bringing down morale.

 

[RPDelegate]

Man, this is a horrible thread. I wish all the "worthless, negative, all I do for RP is surf the web" people would go find something else to do. Threads like this do nothing for RP other than harm him.

 

[AlbemarleNC0003]

lolzzzzz

I fully support independent grassroots. But the campaign has been doing some great things. Compiling the precinct captains program being a major +1000, if you haven't joined DO SO NOW! It gives all the info you need about every important voter in your precinct and issues that are important to them. GET INTO GEAR PEOPLE.

Unless I get irrefutable and undeniable proof of some terrible wrong doing I am liable to tell you people F- off. Stop bringing down morale.

West Wing, here we come!

 

[mconder]

Make what you will of it. I am committed to Ron until the end. He is the only game in town. He is America's last best hope. I can overlook some of the campaigns failings for the sake of the revolution. I don't see anything crooked with what they've done. The question is do these attacks on the campaign help or hurt our cause. They hurt. There is not time for top down changes in the campaign.

 

[deedles]

Is there a mod that will just lock this stupid, counterproductive thread?

 

[philgest]

I just returned from NH. I was there working with OLFOD. Here are some things that have happened in NH and in Iowa.

In NH, we were given packets of conformed voters for Ron Paul, with a door hangers 3 days before the 8th. We went to the homes on our list, knocked on the door, encouraging people to go and vote on the 8th, and asked how many in the household were going to vote for Dr. Paul. If no one answered, we left the door hanger and went to the next house on our list. The three days I did this, I found that the list was not 100% supporters of Dr. Paul. About 10% of my list were supporting someone else, some even supporting Hilary or Obama. About half the time, no one was home.

In Iowa, the packets of conformed voters for Ron Paul was not given out until 4 HOURS before the caucus began...imagine...what was to have been given out to the volunteers 72 hours before was not given out until 4 hours before the caucus began. I know this because the person whom I roomed with in NH had been in Iowa and he told me about it...he felt the national campaign workers, the hired guns, look at this as a job and are not as committed to getting things done as are the grassroots volunteers. There were 20,000 names on the list in Iowa, yet Dr. Paul took just over 10,000 votes...imagine if the packets were given out on time and we were able to get to all the confirmed voters, we may well have had a couple of thousand or more turn out and could have came in 4th or even 3rd place...

In NH, the day of the primary, we were given list of confirmed voters for Dr. Paul and assigned to be poll watchers, that is we had a volunteer in each voting precinct, and we were to cross the names of voters off the list when they came in the precinct and announced their name to the moderator of the precinct. As the day went by, someone would collect the names of persons who had not voted and they would be called and asked to vote. Good plan, yes...well, the list was not alphabetized...and some of the lists were many pages long....think to yourself, why were the lists not put in alphabetical order....

Lastly, after all the votes were cast, the other campaigns had observers to watch the votes being counted and to call in the results form each precinct. We did not do this, we were not told to do so. Why?

That's just my observation on a few little things...imagine if someone was a neo-con mole working inside the official campaign as a hired gun...doing little things like not getting the get out the vote packages out on time...not alphabetizing the list for the poll watchers...not assigning someone to watch the votes being counted....things like this to make our machine not function as it should...perhaps I am a bit paranoid, but just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!