Call for Secession

[barbz]

I watched till the wee hours last night and again today. Where are the independent vote results? Are they just going to ignore them completely this time and not even let us know how they did??

I like Texas and would move there in a minute!

IFIXPCS

Yes, it looks like they'll pretty much be ignored. I found this, but you have to do a lot of work to get all the details.

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/election_night_2008/election_map_premium/index.html?SITE=MASPDELN

 

[IFIXPCS]

All I can say is it's SAD! What a poor showing we did. Where were all the people who said they wanted Ron Paul? I guess this country is really lost! It's bad when none of the above gets more votes than Ron did!

IFIXPCS

 

[mczerone]

Ron Paul becomes governor of Texas in 2010. We secede and he becomes president. Our low taxes and limited government make us the world's financial and cultural center. Paul appoints Willie Nelson secretary of state and gives him back the title to his ranch. Nelson entertains Mahmoud Ahmedinejad and Kim Jong-il at his ranch and gets them high. They loosen up, order 50 pizzas to the White House as a prank. Then they call Obama laughing and saying "gotcha bitch!" and say everyone's even and we're all cool. World peace is achieved.

Thanks for the first laugh of the day.

We can dream, right? (How long before we can't?)

 

[mediahasyou]

Secession is not racist. Secession is the opposite of slavery.

Americans were enslaved by the British yet they gained their independence through secession. Fighting slavery is not racist.

It's time we gain independence.

1776-2008 RIP USA

 

[nate895]

1776-2008 RIP USA

I wish, but I'd bet 2011, 2012, or 2013 depending on election results and support base for secession. If we can get 500,000 throughout the South, along with enough money to launch a media campaign, secession will happen if election results go awry.

 

[Zera]

There's no need to succeed. You are Americans. You may not support the president, but you will always have the right to criticize him. There is no need to run off. If you really dislike him, stand up and plan a way to retake presidency from him in four years.

 

[cthulhufan]

It's not that there's no need, it's that there is no way. Or did you miss the memo Lincoln sent out?

The need is great and if I thought that there was any chance in hell, I'd move my family to whatever state was planning to do it *if* they had their stuff together.

Problems:
1. Military. Your second amendment rights mean a pile of nothing right now. State Militias have been absorbed into the Federal Government. So, what, you're going to pick up the 30-06, Dragunov, or Barret .50 and fight an F-18 squadron? Yeah. This isn't muskets and cannons anymore, folks.

2. Economics. The Federal Government has it's claws so deep in our local economies that it's nigh on impossible to operate without their money which, of course, you don't get if you don't play by the rules.

3. Infrastructure. Tie this in with economics. If you cede, you damn well better have a plan to provide things that people in this day and age won't live without. 911, police, etc... What about local agencies that will be required to oversee trade with the Federalist states. Imports, exports, blah blah.

4. Motivation. I'm motivated, are you? I believe you are. What about the bulk of constituents in your state? It seems to me that it would be harder to convince constituency to cede than to affect change in the established system. Both options at this point seem so terribly remote that I'm very discouraged.

There's more, I'm sure. Thoughts? I'm a pissed off citizen that has been thinking of this very subject for a while now, it just seems impossible and it's certainly discouraging especially when you try to talk to folks in your area about it and are met with the ingrained brainwash.

 

[tpreitzel]

It's not that there's no need, it's that there is no way. Or did you miss the memo Lincoln sent out?

The need is great and if I thought that there was any chance in hell, I'd move my family to whatever state was planning to do it *if* they had their stuff together.
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Your sentiment is one that secessionist elements of the FSP and other secessionist movements really need to consider carefully at their upcoming convention in N.H.

 

[cthulhufan]

Your sentiment is one that secessionist elements of the FSP and other secessionist movements really need to consider carefully at their upcoming convention in N.H.

Thank you, and well they should. I'm not selling my property for pennies on the dollar to move in next to a bunch of anarchists.

That said, I'm neither a looter or a moocher, if I decide to support a cause it won't be merely relocation; it will be activism as well.

The key point here is that it has to be *feasible* and well thought out in order to garner my support. I, also, am certainly not willing to give anyone credit just because they shook Ron Paul's hand or had their picture taken with godzilla so I'm a hard sell.

This is a shameless bump because I want reactions to my initial statements above. That said, however, what is the FSP? I'd be interested in discourse with folks that are rational on the matter but I'd be severely turned off by brainwashed parrots.

 

[powerofreason]

There's no need to succeed. You are Americans. You may not support the president, but you will always have the right to criticize him. There is no need to run off. If you really dislike him, stand up and plan a way to retake presidency from him in four years.

Uhh fuck that. I don't consent to being governed by your president.

 

[mport1]

Uhh fuck that. I don't consent to being governed by your president.

Agreed. Nobody has the right to rule over my life.

 

[cthulhufan]

Ahh, FSP = Free State Project. I will research them.

 

[EastWindRain]

97% of the Blacks voted for Obama. Why? Because he is Black. It is all right for the Black community to be racist, but not the White community. America of the founding fathers is over. If the people choose to do so, America should be broken up into smaller nations which represent the several racial groups. Multi-cultural America will self destruct. Whites who want to live in an all White country should be allowed to do so. Blacks who want to live in an all Black country should also be allowed to do so. A nation divided amongst its self can not stand. The South needs to rise again.

 

[nf7mate]

This year Larry Kilgore ran against TX Senator Cornyn on a secession platform. He got 250,000 (!!!) votes. Unfortunately, with a state as large as TX, this only netted 15% of the vote. This is Larry Kilgore's website. He's trying a run for governor in 2010.

Other states with legitimate secessionist movements are Vermont, Alaska, Hawaii, and Virginia. Each year pro-secessionist advocates meet at a conference entitled The North American Secessionist Convention. I believe last years meeting was in Chattanooga.

 

[Lucille]

The Democrats are the real racists. What have they done for black folks lately but undermine their families and communities?

Democrats have stolen their self-determination, replaced fathers with welfare, warehoused them in violent, drug-ridden slums, imprisoned them in failing schools, condescended to them with affirmative action, enabled (and many times paid for) the abortions of somewhere near 1 in 3 black children, and jailed thousands and thousands more nonviolent young black men in the racist War on Drugs (and Sick People) than I care to think about.

Talk about voting against your own interests! All of my beautiful black brothers and sisters should be voting Libertarian Party, is what.

Or, if the GOP were smart, they themselves would chill out on the WoDaSP, and woo the AA and Latino communities home (because evidently, they're more socially conservative than whitey).

As far as secession goes, I'd just like to split the country in two. Let the socialists have the East were they can live in "fairness" and squalor, and the West can be the home of the free where 'we the people' can prosper without the crushing socialist albatross that are the Democrats' good intentions.

 

[nate895]

This year Larry Kilgore ran against TX Senator Cornyn on a secession platform. He got 250,000 (!!!) votes. Unfortunately, with a state as large as TX, this only netted 15% of the vote. This is Larry Kilgore's website. He's trying a run for governor in 2010.

Other states with legitimate secessionist movements are Vermont, Alaska, Hawaii, and Virginia. Each year pro-secessionist advocates meet at a conference entitled The North American Secessionist Convention. I believe last years meeting was in Chattanooga.

This year they are meeting in Manchester, New Hampshire next week. I am not sure, but I think the Free State Project is helping to sponsor the event.

 

[nf7mate]

This year they are meeting in Manchester, New Hampshire next week. I am not sure, but I think the Free State Project is helping to sponsor the event.

I didn't realize the meeting was coming up again. If it's in NH, then I'm sure some porcs will be involved, whether or not the project formally sponsors it. I hope the event gets some press this year.

 

[mediahasyou]

It's time for the heart of America to gain back their country.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

 

[Athan]

Who cares what the MSM does? If you're worried about appearances, you will never accomplish anything genuine or meaningful because the first place the enemies of liberty attack is your reputation.

Your sense of shame is how they control you.

Well if you guys are taking such matters into your own hands.. wouldn't it make MORE sense to go after msm than something like secession? I just think your cruising for a bruising going after the government.

 

[Athan]

It's not that there's no need, it's that there is no way. Or did you miss the memo Lincoln sent out?

The need is great and if I thought that there was any chance in hell, I'd move my family to whatever state was planning to do it *if* they had their stuff together.

Problems:
1. Military. Your second amendment rights mean a pile of nothing right now. State Militias have been absorbed into the Federal Government. So, what, you're going to pick up the 30-06, Dragunov, or Barret .50 and fight an F-18 squadron? Yeah. This isn't muskets and cannons anymore, folks.

2. Economics. The Federal Government has it's claws so deep in our local economies that it's nigh on impossible to operate without their money which, of course, you don't get if you don't play by the rules.

3. Infrastructure. Tie this in with economics. If you cede, you damn well better have a plan to provide things that people in this day and age won't live without. 911, police, etc... What about local agencies that will be required to oversee trade with the Federalist states. Imports, exports, blah blah.

4. Motivation. I'm motivated, are you? I believe you are. What about the bulk of constituents in your state? It seems to me that it would be harder to convince constituency to cede than to affect change in the established system. Both options at this point seem so terribly remote that I'm very discouraged.

There's more, I'm sure. Thoughts? I'm a pissed off citizen that has been thinking of this very subject for a while now, it just seems impossible and it's certainly discouraging especially when you try to talk to folks in your area about it and are met with the ingrained brainwash.

Oh, my god. THANK you for posting some rational thinking. You all should realize the struggles you need to fight are economic ones. The guys you are angry against are still being funded by everyday activities that involve employers' transfer of their monies to banks and credit lines when they pay bills and hold their savings.