California considering plan to replace gas tax with charge per mile driven

[Anti Federalist]

Stop.

Just stop right there.

Lord Almighty.

No shit...honestly.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This is already happening in the UK.

And our side will join the fascists in proclaiming that this is, somehow, "free market" policies.

Also, Economic Incentive to own a vehicle that is as fuel efficient and "enviornment friendly" as possible.

Anything beyond this is about Control, as stated. How long until "we know where you are" changes to "we will tell you where you are allowed and not allowed to travel"? That, unfortunately will be the inevitable next step, and it may not be enforced by Government alone, but by your Insurance Provider and any who stand to benefit from telling you where you can and can not go. That will evolve into "the new norm". I cant go to your house, the company that I took out a loan from to buy my car says you live in an area that has too high of a crime rate. My employer says I cant visit you because you live next door to a child molestor or drug dealer or witch or Libertarian or Ron Paul Supporter or anyone they deem unworthy. That is the Control that people need to realize and reject. That is the ultimate cost of surrendering your Privacy. Every single action or thought is subject to the approval of someone else, regardless if you consider it to be "right" or "wrong" which are, as always, Subjective to someone elses Terms and Conditions.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Seems fairly free market.

Only if you consider to be "free" a "market" in which consumers must pay "usage fees" to a producer with whom competition is not permitted ...

Government owns the roads, they charge you to use them (per mile fee).

How did the government build "their" roads - or from whom did they buy them - and with whose money how acquired?

Doesn't that make sense?

Not really.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Angela used Libertarian with the capital L, connoting the Libertarian Party.

 

[DamianTV]

This is already happening in the UK.

And our side will join the fascists in proclaiming that this is, somehow, "free market" policies.

Free Market is you and me reaching an agreement. Any outside interference and it is no longer a Free Market.

I would rather be burdened with the risks and responsibilities that are inherit to Freedom than the consequences of Slavery.

 

[acptulsa]

Angela used Libertarian with the capital L, connoting the Libertarian Party.

Can't be.

The LP never solved anything. The only time it's ever involved in a solution is when it's watering its principles down to suit someone like Bob Barr.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"Currently motorists are paying to use their cars on the roads while they are actually driving their cars," Orcutt wrote to Carlson. "At the same time, they are paying for bike lanes because there is no gas tax -- or any transportation tax -- generated by the act of riding a bike on the roadways."

Orcutt concluded, "I do think that bicyclists need to start paying for the roads they ride on rather than make motorists pay."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/07/nation/la-na-nn-bike-tax-northwest-20130307

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Rest assured comrade, they will tax and control that as well.

Just give it a little time.

There is no hiding from this, there is no "out", there is no black market, no alternative currency, that is going to save you.

This whole system, and I'm not just talking about gas taxes, I'm talking about the whole bloody mess, will find you.

We have two choices: comply or resist.

There will be no fence sitting in this coming conflict.


A tax on bikes

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/07/nation/la-na-nn-bike-tax-northwest-20130307

Good Lord. Seems the only way out is to leave, but to where?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Can't be.

The LP never solved anything. The only time it's ever involved in a solution is when it's watering its principles down to suit someone like Bob Barr.

The LP was for gay marriage before the democratic party was. The LP hasn't accomplished anything on its own, but some ideas that it has held have eventually made their way into the mainstream.

 

[Slave Mentality]

"Mr. Mentality, we see that you only drove home and back here since last year's tribute to the state. 20 miles the whole year. Is this correct? "

"Yeeeeeeppp..... "

Will be like an ankle bracelet probably. Get enforcers sent to your house for tampering kids! Fuck em all.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Good Lord. Seems the only way out is to leave, but to where?

Nowhere.

This system is going world wide.

In another 20 years there will not be a square inch of earth that will not be under surveillance.

Comply or Resist.

 

[Suzanimal]

"I do think that bicyclists need to start paying for the roads they ride on rather than make motorists pay."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/07/nation/la-na-nn-bike-tax-northwest-20130307

FFS...

 

[Chester Copperpot]

This is actually a Libertarian solution.

Whats happened to you??

First its freaking out that anti-vaccine people are nuts..

then its Vitamin C isnt good for you..


Now its a pay-per-mile tax is libertarian??

Who are you and what have you done with the real Angelatc???

 

[squarepusher]

Whats happened to you??

First its freaking out that anti-vaccine people are nuts..

then its Vitamin C isnt good for you..


Now its a pay-per-mile tax is libertarian??

Who are you and what have you done with the real Angelatc???

Isn't it obvious? Lets say the roads were owned by a private owner (libertarian), that owner would allow you to use their roads for a toll or a fee. IT could be a toll road or it could be pay per mile (with new technology this makes traditional toll booth obsolete). This is what is being proposed.

I don't understand what the objection here is Do you think you would get free roads in a libertarian society?

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Isn't it obvious? Lets say the roads were owned by a private owner (libertarian), that owner would allow you to use their roads for a toll or a fee. IT could be a toll road or it could be pay per mile (with new technology this makes traditional toll booth obsolete). This is what is being proposed.

I don't understand what the objection here is Do you think you would get free roads in a libertarian society?

The problem is the roads ARENT owned by a private owner.

 

[puppetmaster]

I dont like it ...but it will be the "norm" in order to tax hydrogen powered cars

 

[squarepusher]

The problem is the roads ARENT owned by a private owner.

it still makes sense.

Previously, gas taxes were used to pay for roads/maintenance. However, not all cars use gas anymore, so a per mile/car tax would more accurately represent this so gas cars aren't overly taxed. I'm surprise green California is doing this you would think they want to punish gas users more than elec folks.

 

[jbauer]

The government isn't going to surrender the roads. So....

How do you propose we pay for them if not through a gas tax?

I'd also like to see the books audited to show how much of the current tax is being used on roads and how much is being spent on other stuff.

You've got cars going further on less. Cars not using gas at all. Material costs skyrocketing. Gov employees thinking they need more pay.

Unenviable position.

 

[nobody's_hero]

This is actually a Libertarian solution.

Actually it's pretty stupid. If anything, it should be weight-based.

I can ride 20,000 miles on a crotch-rocket motorcycle and probably do less damage and wear to the road as if I were driving a pickup truck 500 miles.

Which makes me agree with the next poster who implied it has more to do with tracking movement than patching potholes.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Seems fairly free market. Government owns the roads, they charge you to use them (per mile fee). Doesn't that make sense?

So the government bought the roads with its own money? I think you're missing a vital participant in the transaction.