Cain supporter leaning towards Ron Paul should Cain not win

[Cabal]

Hello all,

I like Herman Cain because he is not a politician, but I like a lot of what Ron Paul says, especially ending the wars. I think we have a lot in common as far as policy to fix this country, why should I vote for Paul instead of Herman Cain?

Greetings.

I agree with your support of ending the wars, and Ron Paul is certainly one to support if you agree as well. This isn't a new issue for Ron Paul, he's been preaching this some message of peace and non-intervention for decades now. It is true Ron Paul has had a successful career as a Congressman, but relative to the connotations that apply to the word "politician" today, Ron Paul is what I'd suggest is a politician in name only. He stands by his principles--principles which are often in opposition to the establishment--and he does not waver from them; his unmatched record of consistency is clear evidence of this.

Not only do I agree with much of what Ron Paul stands for and proposes, I find Ron Paul to be of unmatched character and conviction. He says what he means and means what he says, unwilling to pander, even if people are not happy to hear the truths he speaks. I believe this takes courage and resolve which most politicians cannot be bothered to conjure as they flip from one position to another just to appease a certain constituency for the sole purpose of winning votes. Ron Paul is not running for President to enjoy the power of the executive office, he's running for President because he truly believes that we all deserve liberty and peace, and that's what he intends to restore.

 

[_b_]

Welcome to the forum, Mike!

In addition to what everyone has said so far, I recommend going to the Ron Paul Classics channel on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/RonPaulClassics

Listen to what Ron is saying now, and then watch these old videos. You'll find that his message is the same. There is no one more devoted to individual liberty, free markets, peace, and the restricted government called for in the Constitution than Ron Paul, and there is also no one who more openly, honestly, and consistently upholds these values and works for their implementation.

Ron Paul is the closest we've come to Thomas Jefferson since Thomas Jefferson.

 

[MelissaWV]

Cain has had some excellent points during this race, and his not being a politician is refreshing, but when I go to get my car fixed I don't see "I've never even changed a tire" as a plus. Dr. Paul has had a chance to vote on and propose many of the things Mr. Cain has been talking about. By being in Congress, he has had a chance to walk the walk.

The seriously amazing part of it is that he has done all of that, without compromising himself.

 

[NickOdell]

Welcome to the forums!

Although I don't agree with absolutely everything Cain says or stands for like I do Ron, I see both of them as honest and looking for real solutions. Ron has more knowledge on most issues than the rest of the candidates running IMO.

-Nick

Note to forum members- This thread is exactly how we need to reach out to people who may like a different candidate a little better, or don't know about Ron Paul enough to support him. You don't have to be rude about everything you disagree with them on. They are more likely to support Ron if you are kind and respectful.

 

[james1906]

Ron Paul may be a long-term Congressman, but in the grease pit that is DC, he is a glass of refreshing water that simply won't mix in.

 

[TheTexan]

By being in Congress, he has had a chance to walk the walk.

The seriously amazing part of it is that he has done all of that, without compromising himself.

Yes, it wasn't so long ago, that I only believed in 3 things. Death, taxes, and dishonest politicians.

Then Ron Paul happened.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Hello all,

I like Herman Cain because he is not a politician, but I like a lot of what Ron Paul says, especially ending the wars. I think we have a lot in common as far as policy to fix this country, why should I vote for Paul instead of Herman Cain?

Ron Paul will bring the gold standard back and get rid of the monopoly that runs the currency. The Federal Reserve board is a monopoly on our wealth. They can tax us by using the backdoor of "inflating money" and then handing it out secretly to foreign nations to bail them out from bankruptcy. That inflation of money and handouts hurts the value of our u.s. currency...Ron Paul wants to abolish them,and bring the gold standard back by using the U.S. Treasury the way the u.s. constitution says its suppose to be done.

 

[Eric21ND]

Hello all,

I like Herman Cain because he is not a politician, but I like a lot of what Ron Paul says, especially ending the wars. I think we have a lot in common as far as policy to fix this country, why should I vote for Paul instead of Herman Cain?

I don't consider Dr. Paul a politician either; he's more of a statesman. The key in this election is record, it comes down to who can you trust to walk the walk. Paul's record is pristine. He's a throwback to the founding fathers and we'll likely never see another like him in our lifetime.

 

[tremendoustie]

Hello all,

Welcome!

I like Herman Cain because he is not a politician, but I like a lot of what Ron Paul says, especially ending the wars. I think we have a lot in common as far as policy to fix this country, why should I vote for Paul instead of Herman Cain?

I think if ending the wars is important to you, as it is to me, Ron Paul really is the only candidate of you can count on.

For my part, I'm sick of the politicians who say one thing and do another. Ron Paul has a 30 year record of standing for liberty, even when it was not popular, and he had to vote alone or nearly alone. I know he's the real deal, for that reason. Many of the prominent candidates talk a talk about small government, but when given the opportunity in the past, they increased government. Both Perry and Romney supported the bailouts, for example, as well as government involvement in medicine.

If you really want to get into the issues in-depth, here's what I think is a pretty good hour long interview with Ron during his campaign in 2007.

 

[TheTexan]

Welcome!



I think if ending the wars is important to you, as it is to me, Ron Paul really is the only candidate of you can count on.

For my part, I'm sick of the politicians who say one thing and do another. Ron Paul has a 30 year record of standing for liberty, even when it was not popular, and he had to vote alone or nearly alone. I know he's the real deal, for that reason. Many of the prominent candidates talk a talk about small government, but when given the opportunity in the past, they increased government. Both Perry and Romney supported the bailouts, for example, as well as government involvement in medicine.

If you really want to get into the issues in-depth, here's what I think is a pretty good hour long interview with Ron during his campaign in 2007.

Very good video. I've seen it before, but it was nice to see again. It really should be linked more often to new people.

Edit: one excellent point near the end, that I haven't heard in a long time. The interviewer asks "What about campaign contributions? Should there be no limit to that? What would stop corporations from controlling the government?" and Paul tells him "Sure, there shouldn't be any limit on contributions... and the corporations wouldn't have any interest in lining up to donate if the government wasn't in charge of taking people's money and divvying up the loot"

Such an awesome point imo.

 

[Mises_to_Paul]

Hermain Cain supported the bailouts, is very inconsistent in his perspectives on the Fed, and supports the Patriot Act. He is also inexperienced, which is not a good thing, in and of itself (all else being equal). He expressly supports intervention into foreign affairs, particularly when it concerns Israel.

The executive summary would be:

Ron Paul wants you to have liberty and freedom to run your own life, for better or worse. A true small government mind in terms of economics, domestic policy, and foreign policy.

Herman Cain is much closer to the "I can run the farm better than anyone else" brand of conservative. So you would probably get a moderately more efficient version of the status quo.

How that appeals to you as a voter, I don't know.

 

[Akus]

Hello all,

I like Herman Cain because he is not a politician, but I like a lot of what Ron Paul says, especially ending the wars. I think we have a lot in common as far as policy to fix this country, why should I vote for Paul instead of Herman Cain?

What issues matter to you?
Why do you BELIEVE Herman Cain?
If neither RP nor HC wins, who would you vote for?
Do you/did you like(d)/vote(d) for Obama?

I can't proceed until I know the answers to these.

 

[Mike Frank]

I believe we need to restore our economy and bring jobs back to this country. I want the wars ended now. I want lower taxes and less spending, we don't have a tax problem we have a massive spending problem. We need to start building products in this country not outsourcing to China.

What I like about Herman is his business background and I believe he is honest. He is also not in politics, as he said a few times when asked what qualifies you to be president you have no political experience and he says, we have had experienced people in washington, how's that working out for everyone.

I've had paul supporters call me neocon and sellout and even worse, I was really reluctant to come here, but you guys have been very nice, thank you.

You guys have put up a lot of videos, I watched yours and I like a lot of what he said, thanks.

 

[Mike Frank]

Sorry for the double post.

Welcome! glad to see you around here. Honestly, It's hard to really tell you why you should support Ron simply because (other than ending the wars) I'm not sure what issues matter to you. I can tell you this though, Ron Paul is a man of character, and even if you may not agree with all his policies his character is second to none, and he will NEVER tell you one thing and do another.

P.S. Ron will bring the troops home


The following video is really one of my favorites, and a great video if you want to know a little about Ron.

Bring. The. Troops. Home!

I believe we need to restore our economy and bring jobs back to this country. I want the wars ended now. I want lower taxes and less spending, we don't have a tax problem we have a massive spending problem. We need to start building products in this country not outsourcing to China.

What I like about Herman is his business background and I believe he is honest. He is also not in politics, as he said a few times when asked what qualifies you to be president you have no political experience and he says, we have had experienced people in washington, how's that working out for everyone.

I've had paul supporters call me neocon and sellout and even worse, I was really reluctant to come here, but you guys have been very nice, thank you.

You guys have put up a lot of videos, I watched yours and I like a lot of what he said, thanks.

 

[Mike Frank]

Cool, welcome to the forums! We (as a whole) have been working on our own foreign relations here on RPF so hope it all pays off with new 'leaners' like yourself.

I have a few questions, how is the sentiment with other Cain supporters like yourself? do many like Ron Paul as well? do you come from a Cain forums/grassroots organization?

To answer your question, I think the something that really separates Ron Paul from Cain is that he is a top tier candidate, consistently polling in 3rd, not to mention his grassroots is very organized and dedicated to winning the primaries and caucuses. To be be a bit blunt, I do like some of what Cain has to say but he won't be a contender against Perry and Romney but Paul is currently exactly where McCain was in 2008 before he surged to win the GOP nomination.

I think that reason right there is enough to swing a vote from Cain to Paul, especially the person (you) likes both.

Many Cain supporters agree with a lot of what Paul says, we have tried to ask questions about Paul about his positions and are treated pretty rotten when we argue our case or disagree with something, the name calling has turned many off at this point, I have thick skin so I try to ignore the negative but others don't have the patience for it.

Cain isn't doing well in the polls but I still support him, Paul seems to be the closest to my views now. I don't need to agree 100% with any candidate but I need 80% so I am not throwing away my vote.

I will try to answer some more questions later and I may pose a few more after I watch some of these other videos.

 

[LawnWake]

Many Cain supporters agree with a lot of what Paul says, we have tried to ask questions about Paul about his positions and are treated pretty rotten when we argue our case or disagree with something, the name calling has turned many off at this point, I have thick skin so I try to ignore the negative but others don't have the patience for it.

Cain isn't doing well in the polls but I still support him, Paul seems to be the closest to my views now. I don't need to agree 100% with any candidate but I need 80% so I am not throwing away my vote.

I will try to answer some more questions later and I may pose a few more after I watch some of these other videos.

Would you wanna make a separate thread detailing how you along with other Cain supporters have been treated by Ron Paul supporters and how they're turned off by it? Some people really can't put themselves in someone else's shoes and think that just because they have the right to be idiots, they should be, regardless of what it does to the campaign.

I will say that I think Cain is awful to me, but heh, I don't expect any of his supporters to worship him because they're pro-infanticide.

Kudos for having an open mind, though.

 

[eleganz]

Many Cain supporters agree with a lot of what Paul says, we have tried to ask questions about Paul about his positions and are treated pretty rotten when we argue our case or disagree with something, the name calling has turned many off at this point, I have thick skin so I try to ignore the negative but others don't have the patience for it.

Cain isn't doing well in the polls but I still support him, Paul seems to be the closest to my views now. I don't need to agree 100% with any candidate but I need 80% so I am not throwing away my vote.

I will try to answer some more questions later and I may pose a few more after I watch some of these other videos.

Mike, sorry to hear you all had bad experiences with some Ron Paul supporters but many of us here on the forums have gone through self/cross-examination and are determined to be nice and patient to those who are willing to give Paul a chance and ignoring the haters altogether because arguing is simply not the way to get things done.

I'd like to say Ron Paul's video on Mutually Assured Respect vs Mutually Assured Destruction really put things into perspective (at least for me), he was talking about nations but it has a lot to do with ourselves as how we all come off with our own actions.

If you want to see exactly how the Ron Paul phenomenon started that got the nation and GOP party talking about federal reserve, ending the war, etc... feel free to watch "FOR LIBERTY", a documentary that more or less follows Ron Paul's 08 campaign and explains how the grassroots became so strong through the message of freedom.



here is the trailer:

 

[D.A.S.]

Many Cain supporters agree with a lot of what Paul says, we have tried to ask questions about Paul about his positions and are treated pretty rotten when we argue our case or disagree with something, the name calling has turned many off at this point, I have thick skin so I try to ignore the negative but others don't have the patience for it.

Cain isn't doing well in the polls but I still support him, Paul seems to be the closest to my views now. I don't need to agree 100% with any candidate but I need 80% so I am not throwing away my vote.

I will try to answer some more questions later and I may pose a few more after I watch some of these other videos.

Hey Mike,

Kudos to you for coming here to ask questions and learn about Ron Paul.

May I ask where you ran into those abrasive Ron Paul supporters? Was it Facebook, Twitter, or some specific events? I think a lot of Ron's supporters have been absolutely frustrated with the media black-out of good news about Ron's campaign and blatant negative spin of Ron's positions, which makes it extremely difficult to educate people about Ron's positions. Of course, it isn't an excuse to behave poorly and be rude to people. Ron is LOVED by his supporters, so some people have trouble controlling their emotions when they are faced with an argument against their beloved candidate. A lot of Ron's supporters are still learning to be civil - I hope they understand they do a disservice to Ron when they aren't civil.

Welcome to the forums. Watching Ron's videos -- both speeches and interviews - is by far the best way to educate himself about the man.

 

[Kylebutler]

I switched from Cain to Paul. By my own wild guess i expect 90% of Cain supporters to do the same should he lose.

 

[jmdrake]

Hello Mike. Sorry for your ill treatment. People are often not as cordial online as they are in real life (myself included).

As for your original question, as others have pointed out if you're against the wars Ron Paul is the only viable option. Cain supports have troops in Iran and Afghanistan indefinitely. I'm not sure what he thinks of Libya.

On the economic front, Ron Paul seems to have more faith in his economic philosophy than Herman Cain has in his. Take the debt ceiling. Herman Cain said he was against raising it. The Chris Wallace stated that fed chairman Ben Bernanke said we needed to raise it. Rather the say "Bernanke is wrong", Herman Cain said "My plan can't work now because they waited too late". Then a couple of months later he was saying once again that we shouldn't raise the debt ceiling. Which is it? Same thing on TARP. The next president will face enormous pressure on the economic front to compromise with the big government types that got us in this mess. I'm not certain that Cain would stick to his guns if someone like Bernanke or Greenspan gave him bad advice.