CA Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

[Golding]

I'm only halfway glad with the decision. They rightfully determined that the government has no business restricting couples from marrying, without recognizing that the government has no business in instituting marriage licenses altogether.

 

[Reason]

Get marriage out of the government, yes....

But in the mean time, provide it equally.

This.

 

[nate895]

I do not care what any state says on the matter, there is no such as "gay marriage," and never can be. Mark my words, God will judge this country for allowing these things to happen and abandoning our Christian heritage. He already is judging Europe for her sins, how long can He rest until He judges us?

We are as Israel was in the days of the prophets. Despite all the reminders of our Christian heritage that are chiseled on the very halls of power in this country, we ignore them at our own peril and do not teach our children what they mean. Can we violate the greatest command and expect the rest of the Law to protect us from the hordes of blasphemers more emboldened than ever by the acceptance of their behavior as normal?

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Also see:

http://www.massresistance.org/

 

[Standing Like A Rock]

Any man has the God given right to marry a woman, but he does not have the God given right to marry another man. Gay marriage is an oxymoron because marriage is a religious term and no God fearing church would allow two men to marry each other.

 

[Bruno]

Get marriage out of the government, yes....

But in the mean time, provide it equally.

nailed it

 

[ChaosControl]

Look at the Iranian revolution when they threw the Shah out. Nobody was starving. That was completely ideological. Similar for the first American Revolution. It was basically about taxes and self-determination. I think it could happen again, and something as emotionally charged as gay marriage could pull the trigger.

People aren't like they were during the American Revolution, people are used to the oppressor of government and are satisfied with it. I guarantee, the American people wouldn't even revolt if the government put cameras in everyone's home to monitor them "for their safety". Only if people started starving to death would you see some serious calls for revolution with action following.

This issue certainly wouldn't be one to trigger it, people will get over it just like they got over interracial marriages.

 

[specsaregood]

Any man has the God given right to marry a woman, but he does not have the God given right to marry another man. Gay marriage is an oxymoron because marriage is a religious term and no God fearing church would allow two men to marry each other.

It seems that you think your God is the same God that all worship. I assure you, that is not the case. And we do have Freedom of religion in this country.

 

[nate895]

Any man has the God given right to marry a woman, but he does not have the God given right to marry another man. Gay marriage is an oxymoron because marriage is a religious term and no God fearing church would allow two men to marry each other.

The reason why this is being allowed to happen in our society is because our the church in the United States is anemic and refuses to stand on the infallible word of God, and instead bows to the culture and what secular Academia accepts to be the truth. If we have any hope of reclaiming America for true Christian liberty, it is high time our churches bow the knee and refuse to comprise that Jesus is Lord, and His word is truth.

 

[dannno]

I do not care what any state says on the matter, there is no such as "gay marriage," and never can be

Then don't do it.

If somebody else wants to do it, who are you to use force and tell them not to If somebody else says that jilauphony tastes really good, and you don't think there is any such thing as jilauphony and you believe that believing that such a thing as jilauphony exists is blasphemous to God, then you have every right... but you don't have the right to send police to somebody else's house to take their jilauphony, you don't have the right to tell people not to hunt jilauphony on their property, you don't have the right to tell people not to use the word jilauphony. Period. Period.

Why should the state give benefits to one group and not another

It's like you want to steal from something that you believe doesn't exist.

Get the government OUT of marriage.. but if they are going to provide it, they have to provide it equally. Period. That's the only form of government that has any semblance of morality, is one that gives back equally to citizens that which it takes.

You seem to be arguing for an immoral form of government. How can you as a Christian do such a thing?

 

[nate895]

It seems that you think your God is the same God that all worship. I assure you, that is not the case. And we do have Freedom of religion in this country.

Our God actually exists:

6 Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
“I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
7 Who is like me? Let him proclaim it. [1]
Let him declare and set it before me,
since I appointed an ancient people.
Let them declare what is to come, and what will happen.
8 Fear not, nor be afraid;
have I not told you from of old and declared it?
And you are my witnesses!
Is there a God besides me?
There is no Rock; I know not any.”

 

[specsaregood]

The reason why this is being allowed to happen in our society is because our the church in the United States is anemic and refuses to stand on the infallible word of God, and instead bows to the culture and what secular Academia accepts to be the truth. If we have any hope of reclaiming America for true Christian liberty, it is high time our churches bow the knee and refuse to comprise that Jesus is Lord, and His word is truth.

Or perhaps the problem is the churches got in bed with the government in the first place. And continue to do so to push social issues.

 

[specsaregood]

Our God actually exists:

I'm happy for you. However, I could post "religious" script from dozens of other religions where the believers would say the exact same thing.

 

[Agorism]

I'm fine with this ruling.

 

[nate895]

Then don't do it. If somebody else wants to do it, who are you to use force and tell them not to If somebody else says that jilauphony tastes really good, and you don't think there is any such thing as jilauphony and you believe that believing that such a thing as jilauphony exists is blasphemous to God, then you have every right... but you don't have the right to send police to somebody else's house to take their jilauphony, you don't have the right to tell people not to hunt jilauphony, you don't have the right to tell people not to use the word jilauphony. Period. Period.

Why should the state give benefits to one group and not another

Because the state is a minister of God, and when it does not submit to His authority its people and itself will be judged; though, God will preserve His people.

As for your analogy, it does not fit. Marriage actually exists and is a creation ordinance. Recognizing it beyond the creation ordinance of man and woman is basically attempting to create something God does not ordain and recognize, and will therefore be subject to judgment.

 

[dannno]

If we have any hope of reclaiming America for true Christian liberty, it is high time our churches bow the knee and refuse to comprise that Jesus is Lord, and His word is truth.

Nothing in ANY gay marriage law FORCES churches to marry gay people. So you should be perfectly content with all pro-gay marriage legislation, less that it doesn't take the authority away from government.

 

[low preference guy]

Because the state is a minister of God, and when it does not submit to His authority its people and itself will be judged

lol.

can't wait to read dannno's response.

 

[nate895]

Or perhaps the problem is the churches got in bed with the government in the first place. And continue to do so to push social issues.

The church has abandoned preaching on social issues because of being in bed with the government. The church should resist the state when it is usurping the church's authority or is attempting to force the church into subjugation, as the state has done via the tax code. It should also remind the state that it is too a minister of God, just as the church is, and is therefore to obey the Law of God and be a terror to evildoers (Romans 13:1-7).

 

[JohnEngland]

This decision is ultimately meaningless. Government can decree whatever it wants (heck, it can inform us that from now on, the colour blue shall be known as red) - but it can't change the fundamental truths about humanity and natural law.

Man and woman are designed for each other. The purpose of these differences is for the procreation of the species. Sexual relations serve the purpose of raising a family.

It's interesting how the more one has to defend marriage from government decrees like this, the more one gains a better understanding of Catholic social teaching. At least, this has been my experience. Libertarianism is meaningless unless one understands human nature and natural law.

To the critics who say it's "imposing religion", the reply should be, "on the contrary - it's imposing reason."

 

[dannno]

Because the state is a minister of God

Whose God?!


It sounds like you want freedom for Christians, but you don't want freedom for individuals.. Which to me, is not very Christian.

 

[Bruno]

Because the state is a minister of God, and when it does not submit to His authority its people and itself will be judged; though, God will preserve His people.

As for your analogy, it does not fit. Marriage actually exists and is a creation ordinance. Recognizing it beyond the creation ordinance of man and woman is basically attempting to create something God does not ordain and recognize, and will therefore be subject to judgment.

Did God create the tax deductions and privileges associated with marriage? No, man did.

You could argue that God created everything, and that attempting to man's attempt to create something that God did not create would be subject to judgment.