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[nikcers]

protecting our borders from mexican drug cartels is a police state? you guys are smoking meth. keep the illegal drug cartels out of our country and you have solved about 95% of the meth problem.

You're doing the same thing as Trump, you have fuzzy math you give me a solution to a problem that is magic. You say 2 + 2 is 5, but without telling me how you reach that solution. You insinuate that I am too stupid to do the math. It won't work on me, but it will work on others. The illegal drug cartels are filling a void in a market place, if you get rid of those you will just have better quality drugs because they will be made here instead.

 

[Krugminator2]

protecting our borders from mexican drug cartels is a police state? you guys are smoking meth. keep the illegal drug cartels out of our country and you have solved about 95% of the meth problem.

There is a demand for drugs. If you restrict supply all you do is drive the price of drugs up. Higher priced drugs create a greater economic incentive for entrepreneurs to find create ways to bring drugs to market. For example, El Chapo created an elaborate distribution system which made him a billionaire. Trying to restrict drugs is the reason there are drug cartels.

 

[BenMuldowney]

You're doing the same thing as Trump, you have fuzzy math you give me a solution to a problem that is magic. You say 2 + 2 is 5, but without telling me how you reach that solution. You insinuate that I am too stupid to do the math. It won't work on me, but it will work on others. The illegal drug cartels are filling a void in a market place, if you get rid of those you will just have better quality drugs because they will be made here instead.

off hand i would say local lab meth was much more toxic than the mexican batches (which are more pure). the cmea of 2005 made it much more difficult for local labs to make it. but you are welcome to explain how local labs are going to get substantial supplies of the precursors. this should be good.

 

[BenMuldowney]

There is a demand for drugs. If you restrict supply all you do is drive the price of drugs up. Higher priced drugs create a greater economic incentive for entrepreneurs to find create ways to bring drugs to market. For example, El Chapo created an elaborate distribution system which made him a billionaire. Trying to restrict drugs is the reason there are drug cartels.

yes.. i know this... and i would agree if we were discussing alcohol or pot. but good luck getting the meth precursors.... you can not make those locally.

 

[Krugminator2]

yes.. i know this... and i would agree if we were discussing alcohol or pot. but good luck getting the meth precursors.... you can not make those locally.

There is no legitimate moral or cost-benefit argument for the drug war. The drug war is the most evil and destructive thing the government does. I can see why you support Trump. You fundamentally don't understand freedom.

 

[nikcers]

off hand i would say local lab meth was much more toxic than the mexican batches (which are more pure). the cmea of 2005 made it much more difficult for local labs to make it. but you are welcome to explain how local labs are going to get substantial supplies of the precursors. this should be good.

Why do you keep bringing up meth specifically? Why do you cite specific differences in meth quality off hand? Why do you shift the argument towards me telling you how to make meth. You sound like you know how to make it more then I do. If you just want to have imaginary theatrical arguments instead of actually discussing whether or not prohibition works, then tell me how people get it into prison if there are walls and police watching everything?

 

[BenMuldowney]

There is no legitimate moral or cost-benefit argument for the drug war. The drug war is the most evil and destructive thing the government does. I can see why you support Trump. You fundamentally don't understand freedom.

i am against the current war on drugs, especially the seizure laws. that said i would go after meth hard ... you obviously don't know the first thing about this epidemic. the media under reports the derivative crime from the users. go research it... listen to local police departments... learn how one user can destroy dozens of family members' lives. go see what happens to little kids of meth addicts... or the addicted born babies. it is a very evil drug.. this isnt alcohol... this isnt pot.

this is part of the reason i am adamantly anti-illegal immigration. cut off the cartels access into this country and you have knocked out 80% or 90% of the distribution. locals can not manufacture the precursors and therefore will have trouble making enough to supply a client base.

 

[BenMuldowney]

Why do you keep bringing up meth specifically? Why do you cite specific differences in meth quality off hand? Why do you shift the argument towards me telling you how to make meth. You sound like you know how to make it more then I do. If you just want to have imaginary theatrical arguments instead of actually discussing whether or not prohibition works, then tell me how people get it into prison if there are walls and police watching everything?

because i keep getting questions about it.

so you think we could not stop illegal immigration if we built a wall and it was an actual priority of the govt? im all for bringing home our troops from illegal wars and having them defend our southern border. but you know this would not work?

 

[nikcers]

because i keep getting questions about it. i initially brought it up while discussing illegal immigration.

so you think we could not stop illegal immigration if we built a wall and it was an actual priority of the govt? im all for bringing home our troops from illegal wars and having them defend our southern border. but you know this would not work?

I've never advocated for putting troops on the border, but I also never advocated about putting priority on the war on drugs because that's a progressive democrats policy, that's what Bill Clinton did.

 

[BenMuldowney]

I've never advocated for putting troops on the border, but I also never advocated about putting priority on the war on drugs because that's a progressive democrats policy, that's what Bill Clinton did.

so do nothing about meth use? just let all of these people die and take family members with them? good call dude.

 

[nikcers]

so do nothing about meth use? just let all of these people die and take family members with them? good call dude.

No, we treat people with drug addiction with medical help, we treat it like alcohol, we treat it like a disease not a crime.

 

[BenMuldowney]

No, we treat people with drug addiction with medical help, we treat it like alcohol, we treat it like a disease not a crime.

do you know the success rates of treatment for meth addicts? smh

 

[nikcers]

do you know the success rates of treatment for meth addicts? smh

Yeah because putting them in jail and giving them a felony record helps them succeed in life.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

so do nothing about meth use? just let all of these people die and take family members with them? good call dude.

So why aren't people who take Adderall losing hair and teeth and turning into skeletor? Why isn't the massive prescription of Adderall devastating our schools where it's regularly consumed?

 

[nikcers]

So why aren't people who take Adderall losing hair and teeth and turning into skeletor? Why isn't the massive prescription of Adderall devastating our schools where it's regularly consumed?

It's not about the substance, it's about the double standards. We put people in jail longer for crack cocaine then powder, whos the people that do the powder stuff? The rich, if you were to take a "serious" tone on drugs like he is suggesting it would require a police state, we would have to put people in jail like charlie sheen for just talking about it or texting about it on their phones. It still wouldn't stop it from getting created, you're not going to cure addiction without curing addiction. Everything else you suggest you are doing in the name of curing addiction is just making profit prisons and drug companies richer.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Why do you keep bringing up meth specifically?

He appears to have meth on the brain.

btw, your assessment of Drake is quite wrong. Y'all are talking past each other. He is saying that Trump has not expressed a desire to go to war with Russia (Drake is correct) and you are arguing that a logical examination of Trump's policies....IF carried out....is likely to lead to war with Russia whether he 'wants' it or not (also correct).

 

[GunnyFreedom]

It's not about the substance, it's about the double standards. We put people in jail longer for crack cocaine then powder, whos the people that do the powder stuff? The rich, if you were to take a "serious" tone on drugs like he is suggesting it would require a police state, we would have to put people in jail like charlie sheen for just talking about it or texting about it on their phones. It still wouldn't stop it from getting created, you're not going to cure addiction without curing addiction. Everything else you suggest you are doing in the name of curing addiction is just making profit prisons and drug companies richer.

What exactly do you think I am advocating here?

 

[BenMuldowney]

Yeah because putting them in jail and giving them a felony record helps them succeed in life.

let's actually be fair and look at what my actual solution was... securing our borders and cutting off illegal immigration. if we need help doing so bring home the troops from the illegal wars and have them protect our borders. and while you are more concerned for the herks that decided to take this drug... my very first concern is protecting the innocent people most effected by their behaviors. if that involves jail.. so be it. do you guys know how expensive treatment is? who is going to pay for it? we dont have the resources for all of these addicts.

by far the most humane action we can execute for these addicts is to keep the drugs out of their hands. this isnt pot.. this isnt alcohol.... they can not make the precursors as far as i know at this time.

 

[BenMuldowney]

So why aren't people who take Adderall losing hair and teeth and turning into skeletor? Why isn't the massive prescription of Adderall devastating our schools where it's regularly consumed?

i already addressed this.

 

[BenMuldowney]

He appears to have meth on the brain.

btw, your assessment of Drake is quite wrong. Y'all are talking past each other. He is saying that Trump has not expressed a desire to go to war with Russia (Drake is correct) and you are arguing that a logical examination of Trump's policies....IF carried out....is likely to lead to war with Russia whether he 'wants' it or not (also correct).

people keep commenting or asking me questions about meth. i know thats hard for you to comprehend.