Buzzfeed hit piece on Rand staff: "Why Rand Paul Lost"

[r3volution 3.0]

you may not like it but trump was honest about his support of the clintons and all of the other candidates he gave money to... he was playing the game. he is very candid about this and explains that he will owe no one favors if elected. who else can say that? none of them.. they are all bought and paid for... trump knows first hand.. he bought some of them.

So, while people like Hillary Clinton promote terrible leftist policies because they're paid to do so, Trump promotes terrible leftist policies pro bono?

...why would that be better?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

you may not like it but trump was honest about his support of the clintons and all of the other candidates he gave money to... he was playing the game. he is very candid about this and explains that he will owe no one favors if elected. who else can say that? none of them.. they are all bought and paid for... trump knows first hand.. he bought some of them.

Bullshit. He gave hundreds of thousands to Billary long after they were no longer in a position to 'help' him. He's just telling you what you want to hear...rationalizing donations he already knew were public record. And even if we take this dingbat at his obviously flawed word, why in heaven's name do you think the answer to corrupt and bought politicians is to elect the guy who bought and corrupted them? Are you just trying to get rid of the middleman to make the process more efficient and so the US goes down the toilet even faster?

 

[jmdrake]

you do get that i followed ron for decades and worked to be his delegate? smh.... i know he had his reasons but i disagree with him on some aspects. he isnt perfect... none of them are. im also against the war on drugs but if i were president i'd go hard against meth. it is destroying whole communities... i will never condone its legalization. part of my strong feelings on illegal immigration has to do with the meth trade coming into this country and destroying families. the precursors come from the far east to mexican labs and then the cartels smuggle it in.

what i am strongly against is using the war on drugs to seize property of landlords that have nothing to do with drug dealing.

Interesting that you bring up meth. I saw a documentary on it a couple of years ago when the issue was whether or not to crack down on the over the counter drugs that are often bought an used by meth producers. The concern then was that while the cracking down on those drugs might curtail production of meth by in the states, production in places like Mexico would ramp up to take up the slack. It just another "unintended consequence of government meddling." Frankly I believe meth only exists because we have a drug war. It's easier to get your hands on the precursors to make meth than it is to obtain pot seeds. People are going to get high and making all drugs illegal sometimes means that the worst drugs, which can be made from legal substances, become abused. Have you heard of the drug "Krocodil" which is a problem in Russia? It's made of chemicals like what's in Drano. It makes meth look like a multi-vitamin.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

if i could single handily put ron or rand into office right now i would do so in a nano second. how can you not get that? but correct me if i am wrong... i dont see either running for office? did i miss something? given the choices we have ....its trump and hoping he is serious about his current positions or voting for the other scumbags that we all know will continue the globalists' agendas.

what i have noticed is no one on this board has any solutions other than to just bash trump. smh.. you people crack me up.

You are on Ron Paul Forums. You cannot possibly get more opposite to Ron Paul than Donald Trump. Why would you ever expect that people here would not hate his bribing thieving corrupted guts?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So, while people like Hillary Clinton promote terrible leftist policies because they're paid to do so, Trump promotes terrible leftist policies pro bono?

...why would that be better?

He was the guy PAYING Shillary to promote biggov leftist policies.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Interesting that you bring up meth. I saw a documentary on it a couple of years ago when the issue was whether or not to crack down on the over the counter drugs that are often bought an used by meth producers. The concern then was that while the cracking down on those drugs might curtail production of meth by in the states, production in places like Mexico would ramp up to take up the slack. It just another "unintended consequence of government meddling." Frankly I believe meth only exists because we have a drug war. It's easier to get your hands on the precursors to make meth than it is to obtain pot seeds. People are going to get high and making all drugs illegal sometimes means that the worst drugs, which can be made from legal substances, become abused. Have you heard of the drug "Krocodil" which is a problem in Russia? It's made of chemicals like what's in Drano. It makes meth look like a multi-vitamin.

It's funny that Adderall isn't destroying communities eh? Bathtub created dirty meth is killing people while pharmaceutical grade meth is prescribed to children. I wonder, is it really the meth that is destroying communities or the war on drugs that is causing the crap to be made in a filthy bathtub?

 

[jmdrake]

its a term that is misused often... and its purpose is to shut people up from talking about real problems.

Okay. Well there's nothing wrong with being concerned about the borders and illegal immigration. I guess I'm more "federalphobic" than anything else. I don't like terrorism, but I don't think giving the federal government more power and reducing civil liberties of law abiding Americans to fight terrorism is a good idea especially considering that U.S. government policy fuels terrorism. I'm also concerned that terrorists can just waltz across the border. But I don't think giving the federal government more power and reducing civil liberties of law abiding Americans to fight illegal immigration is a good idea. And e-verify and building a wall and other enforcement mechanisms increases the power of the federal government while don't doing anything about the fact that federal government policies are fueling the problem. Have you ever looked at the "constitution free zone" around this country? Basically the federal government treats the area 100 freaking miles from the border as a place where your fourth amendment rights just don't apply. Meanwhile illegal immigrants and their children get welfare? Fix that! That's Ron Paul's position on immigration in a nutshell.

 

[BenMuldowney]

He is very candid but everyone that's ever met him in real life claims he is a completely different person, he is playing a role on tv. You don't understand it, but let me explain it anyways. Trump is an entertainer, he is basically playing the character from the Colbert Report- that's why his positions are completely different now. He is a progressive democrat, who pretends to be a conservative. He does talk about issues though, but he has no clue what he is saying. Whether its the foreign or domestic policy he is just reciting lines. He takes populist policies like immigration reform and defense, and says that he will fix them without paying for them.

If you press him on how he is going to pay for it he even says he is going to pay for it the same way the democrats do. He says he is going to fix jobs by getting rid of mexicans(thats not going to bring factory jobs back here) he says he is going to fix the economy by putting tarrifs on china(thats just going to make us buy less stuff from them). He says he is going to keep us safe from terrorists by controlling oil in the middle east and containing them, that's what we are doing now and its not magically any different. Why do you think Russia is so pissed off at us.

or maybe you have it reversed? maybe this is the real him and he doesnt have to play the game any longer? have you heard him talk candidly and passionately about certain topics? i have and i am judging him harshly to discern if he is full of crap and so far? i'll take my chances given WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE PEOPLE. i also pray often to God about him... that if he is scamming us, for God to change his heart. this country is a mess and i thought it was too late to fix it.

but i will repeat myself.. NONE OF YOU have offered anything even slightly resembling hope.

 

[Krugminator2]

i'll take my chances given WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE PEOPLE. i also pray often to God about him... that if he is scamming us, for God to change his heart. this country is a mess and i thought it was too late to fix it.

but i will repeat myself.. NONE OF YOU have offered anything even slightly resembling hope.

1, Things are great in the United States. This is the best time in world history to be alive. Things are not dire. Your sky god has already answered your prayers. People are living longer, wealthier, there is less terrorism than at any time in world history.
2. Hillary is preferable to Trump because gridlock is good.
3. Cruz is a vastly better choice to Trump because he is actually good on some issues whereas Trump is good on virtually nothing. And Cruz will be more likely than Trump to appoint good judges. Trump is a Teddy Roosevelt progressive.

 

[BenMuldowney]

Interesting that you bring up meth. I saw a documentary on it a couple of years ago when the issue was whether or not to crack down on the over the counter drugs that are often bought an used by meth producers. The concern then was that while the cracking down on those drugs might curtail production of meth by in the states, production in places like Mexico would ramp up to take up the slack. It just another "unintended consequence of government meddling." Frankly I believe meth only exists because we have a drug war. It's easier to get your hands on the precursors to make meth than it is to obtain pot seeds. People are going to get high and making all drugs illegal sometimes means that the worst drugs, which can be made from legal substances, become abused. Have you heard of the drug "Krocodil" which is a problem in Russia? It's made of chemicals like what's in Drano. It makes meth look like a multi-vitamin.

you may be able to buy the precursors for your personal use for a little while but to make enough to sell? you will need a network of smurfers and they will probably lead the cops straight to you in short order. good luck. the precursors are coming from india and china by the tons. they are converted in mexico and the cartels bring the meth in here. do you really think we could not cut them off with strong leadership? i do.. but not with our current oipen borders mass illegal immigration issues. i am all for bringing home our troops and protecting our borders. im sorry you disagree.

 

[jmdrake]

It's not that he wants war with Russia, but he would be attacking Chinas economy making them "pay" with Tariffs and they are kind of allied. This is the logical conclusion to Trump, he wants to interfere and take control of oil, which is how Russia pays the bills.

Okay. We are talking about two entirely different things. I am talking about the very real possibility of a shooting war with Russia of a Hillary Clinton or Marco Rubio gets in power and insists on a no fly zone over Syria and the ouster of Assad. I'm not concerned about tariffs with China one way or the other. I don't think China was deserving of the so called "most favored nation trading status" considering their abysmal human rights record and the documented use of slave labor in Chinese factories. Regardless, China would respond economically to new sanctions, not militarily, and they have a lot of cards to play, like refusing to by any more U.S. treasuries.

 

[BenMuldowney]

Okay. Well there's nothing wrong with being concerned about the borders and illegal immigration. I guess I'm more "federalphobic" than anything else. I don't like terrorism, but I don't think giving the federal government more power and reducing civil liberties of law abiding Americans to fight terrorism is a good idea especially considering that U.S. government policy fuels terrorism. I'm also concerned that terrorists can just waltz across the border. But I don't think giving the federal government more power and reducing civil liberties of law abiding Americans to fight illegal immigration is a good idea. And e-verify and building a wall and other enforcement mechanisms increases the power of the federal government while don't doing anything about the fact that federal government policies are fueling the problem. Have you ever looked at the "constitution free zone" around this country? Basically the federal government treats the area 100 freaking miles from the border as a place where your fourth amendment rights just don't apply. Meanwhile illegal immigrants and their children get welfare? Fix that! That's Ron Paul's position on immigration in a nutshell.

easy to solve... just start profiling. israel does it.... and 99% of our politicains love israel and everything they do.

 

[BenMuldowney]

1, Things are great in the United States. This is the best time in world history to be alive. Things are not dire. Your sky god has already answered your prayers. People are living longer, wealthier, there is less terrorism than at any time in world history.
2. Hillary is preferable to Trump because gridlock is good.
3. Cruz is a vastly better choice to Trump because he is actually good on some issues whereas Trump is good on virtually nothing. And Cruz will be more likely than Trump to appoint good judges. Trump is a Teddy Roosevelt progressive.

23% unemployment is great and the best time in the world to be alive? let me guess.. you also advocate all of us using meth?

 

[nikcers]

or maybe you have it reversed? maybe this is the real him and he doesnt have to play the game any longer? have you heard him talk candidly and passionately about certain topics? i have and i am judging him harshly to discern if he is full of crap and so far? i'll take my chances given WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE PEOPLE. i also pray often to God about him... that if he is scamming us, for God to change his heart. this country is a mess and i thought it was too late to fix it.

but i will repeat myself.. NONE OF YOU have offered anything even slightly resembling hope.

He has said multiple times that our middle east strategy is wrong because we don't take control over the oil. Russia will not let us take control over all of the oil. He has even walked this back some and said that he would let Russia take out ISIS so we don't have to pay for it. If we let Russia take over Iraq, then they will control oil and our economy tanks with it. He supports bailouts and regime change, he would be no different then any other progressive democrat in terms of foreign policy.

 

[jmdrake]

you may be able to buy the precursors for your personal use for a little while but to make enough to sell? you will need a network of smurfers and they will probably lead the cops straight to you in short order. good luck. the precursors are coming from india and china by the tons. they are converted in mexico and the cartels bring the meth in here. do you really think we could not cut them off with strong leadership? i do.. but not with our current oipen borders mass illegal immigration issues. i am all for bringing home our troops and protecting our borders. im sorry you disagree.

Ummm....people have been buying enough precursors over the counter to make and sell without buying straight from India or China. Precursors can be bought in bulk from Sam's Club and Costco. That was the reason that some states have been pushing to restrict purchases of certain over the counter drugs and household chemicals. Now if you want to make enough to sell to all of Chicago then perhaps you need to do direct import. But that's not the kind of operation people are doing in their mobile home bathtub either.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Ummm....people have been buying enough precursors over the counter to make and sell without buying straight from India or China. Precursors can be bought in bulk from Sam's Club and Costco. That was the reason that some states have been pushing to restrict purchases of certain over the counter drugs and household chemicals. Now if you want to make enough to sell to all of Chicago then perhaps you need to do direct import. But that's not the kind of operation people are doing in their mobile home bathtub either.

He's been watching too much Breaking Bad.

 

[nikcers]

Okay. We are talking about two entirely different things. I am talking about the very real possibility of a shooting war with Russia of a Hillary Clinton or Marco Rubio gets in power and insists on a no fly zone over Syria and the ouster of Assad. I'm not concerned about tariffs with China one way or the other. I don't think China was deserving of the so called "most favored nation trading status" considering their abysmal human rights record and the documented use of slave labor in Chinese factories. Regardless, China would respond economically to new sanctions, not militarily, and they have a lot of cards to play, like refusing to by any more U.S. treasuries.

Trump didn't say he wouldn't shoot down Russian planes in the debate, he had his chance. The very real possibility of war with Russia is actually right now. The only reason we backed away from sanctions against Iran was because of Russia. You are a fool if you don't think the war resolution they are writing up right now because the 2003 AUMF wasn't robust enough is going to include such trickeries as "war everywhere" and "unlimited discretionary funds" we are in world war 3 right now, this is how wars are conducted in the 21st century, mutually assured destruction isn't good for anybody. Any politician that wants to fill the power vacuum with anyone but the people that live there are telling you they want a piece of Russia.

 

[jmdrake]

or maybe you have it reversed? maybe this is the real him and he doesnt have to play the game any longer? have you heard him talk candidly and passionately about certain topics? i have and i am judging him harshly to discern if he is full of crap and so far? i'll take my chances given WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE PEOPLE. i also pray often to God about him... that if he is scamming us, for God to change his heart. this country is a mess and i thought it was too late to fix it.

but i will repeat myself.. NONE OF YOU have offered anything even slightly resembling hope.

The "real Donald Trump" still supports the bailouts and eminent domain for private companies. What's "hopeful" about that? And why do you prefer Trump to Cruz? I'm not a fan of Cruz either, but I don't see him as in any way worse than Donald Trump.

 

[BenMuldowney]

It's funny that Adderall isn't destroying communities eh? Bathtub created dirty meth is killing people while pharmaceutical grade meth is prescribed to children. I wonder, is it really the meth that is destroying communities or the war on drugs that is causing the crap to be made in a filthy bathtub?

Meth is also confirmed to be neurotoxic (even in low-ish doses) to both dopamine and seratonin receptors (oxidative stress etc.), whereas d-amp is generally only neurotoxic in high doses.

have you ever known a meth addict? did you notice the chemical schizophrenia? they also tend to be violent to family members and extremely neglectful to their children (not to mention abusive). they destroy not only themselves but their families too.... it is a nightmare and the numbers have exploded.

 

[jmdrake]

Trump didn't say he wouldn't shoot down Russian planes in the debate, he had his chance. The very real possibility of war with Russia is actually right now. The only reason we backed away from sanctions against Iran was because of Russia. You are a fool if you don't think the war resolution they are writing up right now because the 2003 AUMF wasn't robust enough is going to include such trickeries as "war everywhere" and "unlimited discretionary funds" we are in world war 3 right now, this is how wars are conducted in the 21st century, mutually assured destruction isn't good for anybody. Any politician that wants to fill the power vacuum with anyone but the people that live there are telling you they want a piece of Russia.

Please post a link to an actual statement by Trump that is in anyway advocating military confrontation with Russia over Syria or any other reason. Just saying "He didn't rule out ever shooting down a Russian plane for any reason whatsoever" means absolutely nothing to me. I would hope that Rand would not rule out ever shooting down a Russian plane for any reason whatsoever. Trump has consistently said "Let Russia handle Syria". While I don't believe him on everything, I do take his word on that because nobody has posted any evidence to the contrary.

Edit: But this very video shows what's right and wrong about Trump at the same time. He flat out lies when he says he's the only one running that said the Iraq war was a mistake from the beginning. At the time this video was made Rand was still running.

The problem that I have with people not being willing to give Trump any credit for taking the non-interventionist positions that he has clearly taken on record is that it gives too much credence to the neocon/hawk lie that they are winning the ideological war when in fact they are losing and losing badly.