Business people: Why do they support Democrats?

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Hi all, I'm hoping someone can help me here. Why do wealthy and successful businesses support the Democrats when they know their taxes will be going up? I'm not talking about celebrities that vote Democrat so that they're seen as compassionate. I'm talking about real businesses.

I remember Trump said he was against the war in Iraq prior to 2008 and he still supported McCain who was for expanding the war in Iraq while (at the time) Barrack was seen as the anti-war candidate. Obviously Trump voted for McCain because McCain was for reducing Trump's taxes. So I guess the war in Iraq wasn't as important as having his taxes raised by Barrack. Why don't all businessmen follow this way of voting?

Thanks!
 
I would say that bigger business likes Dems because they can buy them out with money and then get laws passed that make them have less competition...many companies in this day and age have found it is easier to buy a politician then compete in the free market since the government controls most of it anyway...
 
That's a dumb question. For every businessperson you can name as having voted Democrat, I can name another one who voted Republican.

The people who vote for either party want politicians that they can buy, and they want to use the government to eliminate their competition.

Like the minimum wage laws. Do not be surprised to see WalMart jump on board, like they did with healthcare. It doesn't mean they have developed some social conscience, it means they know some of their smaller competitors won't be able to absorb the increase and will go out of business.

Or more importantly it means other young businessmen won't even aspire to open a shop, because the start-up costs are too high.
 
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I would say that bigger business likes Dems because they can buy them out with money and then get laws passed that make them have less competition...many companies in this day and age have found it is easier to buy a politician then compete in the free market since the government controls most of it anyway...

Precisely, no one loves big government more than big business. Excessive regulations and favorable laws serve as barriers of entry that make it much tougher if not impossible for small businesses to compete, whereas these big companies have the resources and volume of sales that more than offset the added costs and taxes when it leads to less competition and a bigger piece of the pie.

Think about it. Why did Amazon come out in support of an internet sales tax? Because they can much more easily put an infrastructure in place that can deal with tax codes from the thousands of districts, whereas your mom-and-pop online seller would have a very difficult time determining and paying taxes to all of the different locations they sell to. There are countless other examples of course.

Some business owners on the other hand, particularly smaller businesses, might however see it more desirable to pay lower taxes (and rightfully so) than to gain a competitive edge, but it's not like the Republican party can't be bought off either. There are plenty of examples of them playing favorites with big business too, not just by lowering taxes. "Defense" contracts would be one obvious example.
 
Hi all, I'm hoping someone can help me here. Why do wealthy and successful businesses support the Democrats when they know their taxes will be going up?

Why do lower middle class people support limited government when they know it will reduce government services? It's because people support positions that are in accord with their principles regardless of socioeconomic position.

Some people who have "made it" think that they made it with government help (public schools, public transportation, gov't guaranteed loans, etc) and want to make sure others have the same "opportunities." Some people are currently "making it" with government help (subsidies, gov't is customer, etc) and they want to keep the gravy train rolling. Others, lol, don't think their taxes will go up, so they can support the feel good project of the week without paying for it.

In addition to the above, there's a case to be made for short term vs. long term thinking.
 
Hi all, I'm hoping someone can help me here. Why do wealthy and successful businesses support the Democrats when they know their taxes will be going up? I'm not talking about celebrities that vote Democrat so that they're seen as compassionate. I'm talking about real businesses.

I remember Trump said he was against the war in Iraq prior to 2008 and he still supported McCain who was for expanding the war in Iraq while (at the time) Barrack was seen as the anti-war candidate. Obviously Trump voted for McCain because McCain was for reducing Trump's taxes. So I guess the war in Iraq wasn't as important as having his taxes raised by Barrack. Why don't all businessmen follow this way of voting?

Thanks!

I am sure there are as many reasons as there are voters. If you are interested in vague generalities I think that people are more inclined to vote against something, than for something. I suppose some business people vote Democrat because they see them as the lesser of two evils. The evil to them might be bible thumping social conservatives and have nothing to do with taxes or war.

Some of the wealthy and successful business people also know that the Democrat politicians will create exemptions for them with enough lobbying. They know that Democrats are willing to help create monopolies for the wealthy businesses and reduce competitions, thus ensuring higher profits for their businesses. Just look at all of the tax credits created for the wealthy or the regulations that are created for the benefit of the wealthy. Democrat politicians work with the wealthy business owners, its the middle class that they don't listen to.

Wouldn't it be nice to be a wealthy health insurance board member having Democrats in Congress force people to buy your product?

Wouldn't it be nice to be a green energy business owner and have Democrats in Congress funnel hundreds of millions of dollars into your company?

Wouldn't it be nice to be a Wall St banker and have Democrats in Congress send billions of dollars to you so you can continue with your no lose financial schemes?

Think about it. I am sure you can start to come up with some examples to share with us.
 
Businesses actually tend to give more to Republicans but they hedge their bets by giving to both. Usually the one with the most odds of winning a particular election gets the most money.
 
Why does Solyndra give to Obama? You're kidding, right? Look it up.

Let me put it simply: If there are so many regulations that it takes five CPAs and four lawyers just to do business, who suffers? A Mom 'n' Pop shop? Or Wal Mart?

Seems to me Wal Mart can much more easily afford five accountants and four lawyers. How 'bout you?
 
To me it fits in and makes perfect sense that wealthy and successful business people support the Democrats. I don't think the Democratic party could exist without that, so it doesn't make sense to me to wonder why they do.

It seems to me that the Democratic party, its candidates, and members are into saying one thing, but often meaning something different & typically contrary to what they say, from how one would interpret it. They seem to act like a game of semantics, denial, and cognitive dissonance, is logic and reality (I wonder if there's a way to find out what's really going on in their heads).

It's beneficial and advantageous to wealthy and successful business people, because it's consistent with their agenda to keep them wealthy and powerful, while at the same time making many voters believe that they're their friend. This is what salespeople do, especially the ones you can find at your local corner car dealer do, in order to try to get you to buy a car from them. By smiling at you and acting like they only care about you, the average Joe voter, politicians are trying to gain everyone's trust.

They do this to keep their loyalty and get them to look the other way so they can get away with all the crap that they get away with. This, along with the help of the media which is owned by these wealthy and successfull business people, is why when whistleblowers expose their corruption, or people call them out on their hypocrisy or broken promises, it seems like no one cares. In fact those who call them out on their hypocrisy are subjected to things like either being ridiculed, being labeled as insensitive to caring, or ad hom attacks (e.g., if you criticize Obama for something he does, it must be because you're a racist).

The wealthy and successful business people benefit because these politicians pass laws and run the government in such a way that's advantageous to the wealthy and successful business people. It's difficult to elaborate on this, because there are many incidences and a lot are relatively subtle. It's one of those things that's best done by observing what politicians promise and compare it to what they actually end up getting accomplished. Basically, whatever the politicians do, the wealthy seem to somehow manage to slip out of whatever clutches one might perceive being placed around their necks by the government. They have to play by their own rules, though; and you might notice that one also has to be a member of the club, otherwise they'll get "shunned" (e.g., Madoff).

This doesn't necessarily apply only to Democrat politicians, and there are even some decent Democrats out there that I highly respect (even though I might not agree with some of their political principles), such as Dennis Kucinich, Cynthia McKinney, and James Traficant. It does apply to Repubicans, in a similar way; in fact it probably applies to most Republicans (primarily the so-called "neocon" and "rino" variety). I don't really know which is worse, the typical Democrats or the neocon/rino Republicans, but I do think they're both bad.
 
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It's difficult to elaborate on this, because there are many incidences and a lot are relatively subtle.

Appointing a former CEO of Monsanto as secretary of agriculture and passing a law that not only makes it a federal offense to, for example, bake and decorate a cake for a friend and let the friend reimburse you for ingredients, but almost made farmers' markets illegal is subtle? Passing a law that not only makes it mandatory to do business with medical insurance underwriters, but requires you to get coverage for a bunch of crap you probably neither want or need (you're a single male or a lesbian who has been through menopause? You're paying for birth control coverage anyway) is subtle?
 
make the public foot the bill for public education to train your employees and for the infrastructure for you to ship your goods
 
Hi all, I'm hoping someone can help me here. Why do wealthy and successful businesses support the Democrats when they know their taxes will be going up? I'm not talking about celebrities that vote Democrat so that they're seen as compassionate. I'm talking about real businesses.

I remember Trump said he was against the war in Iraq prior to 2008 and he still supported McCain who was for expanding the war in Iraq while (at the time) Barrack was seen as the anti-war candidate. Obviously Trump voted for McCain because McCain was for reducing Trump's taxes. So I guess the war in Iraq wasn't as important as having his taxes raised by Barrack. Why don't all businessmen follow this way of voting?

Thanks!

Illusion of Perception.

Its not that they actually support the Democrats, its just that so many are so incredibly furious at the actions of the Republican Party that it just appears that many support the Democrats. Really, the Two Party System is just as dirty on both ends.

Im a Registered Republican, and I absolutely do NOT support the Republican Party. Only reason: Ron Paul.
 
My thoughts were pretty much summed up by a few comments above, but first, the majority of business owners I know vote Republican. These are individual business owners and not corporation or large scale business owners. To put it simply, money and corruption go hand in hand, Money(big business,corporate) and Corruption (democratic party) go hand in hand. All of government has its corruption, but it for the most part resides in the democratic party.
 
My thoughts were pretty much summed up by a few comments above, but first, the majority of business owners I know vote Republican. These are individual business owners and not corporation or large scale business owners. To put it simply, money and corruption go hand in hand, Money(big business,corporate) and Corruption (democratic party) go hand in hand. All of government has its corruption, but it for the most part resides in the democratic party.
Meh.

Look back upon history. Democrats are historically corrupt, sure, but so are Republicans. I mean, it's like choosing between the dog which shits in your living room, or the dog that shits in your bedroom. I guess I'd rather the dog that shits in the living room? Or, we could just get rid of the dog. What happens is that routinely the D or R steps in shit, they track it through the house, and it gets to the point where you can't tell whether the shit came from the living room, or your bedroom. And then you have some who say, well if you just train the dog to shit on the bathroom floor, it would be livable.
 
That's a dumb question. For every businessperson you can name as having voted Democrat, I can name another one who voted Republican.

The people who vote for either party want politicians that they can buy, and they want to use the government to eliminate their competition.

Like the minimum wage laws. Do not be surprised to see WalMart jump on board, like they did with healthcare. It doesn't mean they have developed some social conscience, it means they know some of their smaller competitors won't be able to absorb the increase and will go out of business.

Or more importantly it means other young businessmen won't even aspire to open a shop, because the start-up costs are too high.
Thread winnar.
 
Really? But if you make a contribution there's no guarantee the politician in question will give you what you expect...?

If the contribution is large enough, the politician will take notice and try to ensure that similar contributions are forthcoming.
 
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There may be a silver lining to all this.

As employing people gets harder and harder, small businesses are more likely to go back to the old ways. Employment was really uncommon. Most shop owners were literally Mom and Pop operations. No employees. Just their children and maybe an extended family member or two. They lived in the loft above the store, mill, clinic, etc and personally minded it at all hours.

I already have in my business.
 
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