Burying a Backup

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With the troubles looming on the horizon, I'd like to spark a discussion on hiding/burying backup firearms. In the event of mass gun confiscations and thefts by governmental contractors/employees, I think it a good idea to keep some backups buried or hidden in case they raid you at night or when you're not expecting it. Last thing I'd want is to be stuck without the ability to defend my family.

Even aside from that, keeping a hidden backup that you can uncover and share with friends or family in need is also a good idea.

What are the best methods for hiding/buring firearms? Would it make sense to dribble gun oil in various locations of the house in order to sidetrack gun-sniffing dogs? What would be the most likely place that they'd look? Where wouldn't they look? If there are papers on the weapons you own, should you sell them or hide them?

There are so many other aspects to this type of discussion, but someone's got to have thought this out.
 
If they try house to house gun confiscation, the shit will literally hit the fan. Keep them ready, not buried. That's just my view on it though.
 
If this is something you plan on doing, the internet is not the place to discuss it.
 
When they start confiscating guns, it will be past the time to start the revolt.
 
If this is something you plan on doing, the internet is not the place to discuss it.

Absolutely agree, but seeing how the sheep in Louisiana rolled over in some instances when their guns were confiscated to me makes this a valid concept to be seen by some here.

When they start confiscating guns, it will be past the time to start the revolt.

Agree.


Boy Scout Motto: Be Prepared
 
Well - any security expert will tell you that there is an inverse relationship between security and ease of access.

In other words, if something is very secure, it is hard to get to and not quick or easy to access. For example leaving a gun under your pillow isn't very secure but it's easy to get to. But if you leave it locked in a safe with a trigger lock in the basement corner, it's very secure, but don't expect to be able to use it quickly.

That is one of the major points to keep in mind - security vs ease of access.



However I like the idea in Terminator 3 where they put a ton of weapons in a coffin. No one will ever look there for sure.
 
However I like the idea in Terminator 3 where they put a ton of weapons in a coffin. No one will ever look there for sure.

Every time I see a coffin, i open it and check for weapons. I have seen 2 Pistols, A Rifle, and over 2000 dead people.
 
Absolutely agree, but seeing how the sheep in Louisiana rolled over in some instances when their guns were confiscated to me makes this a valid concept to be seen by some here.



Agree.


Boy Scout Motto: Be Prepared

that sounds dandy, it's good to keep an cheap shotgun and pistol around just for
the purposes of defense against intruders and anyone trying to lay claim to your
arms, problem is if you have a platoon on your door step seeking to take your
guns, where do you go, start shooting and you'll defeat the purpose of true resistance

first things first, you dont know me, you have no need but what I have to say is
important, I've noticed from lurking that some of you have a small arsenal, plenty
of ammo, etc. that's great, now may be a good time to stash it but seeing as how
our country has no gun registration but lots of paperwork associated with guns,
it's a good idea to make those 'disappear' first. anything you've bought new,
anything you've pawned, anything with paper

1. make them vanish, put an ad in the local paper or trade publication that allos
the sale of firearms, now is a great time as many people are in debt and trying to
make ends meet, no one can blame you for selling your arms in times of distress,
money is tight. dummy a receipt showing the sale to some john doe, include the
serial number, run the ad for a week or two then pull is as the arms have been "sold"

2. cache your arms and your ammo, make sure it's somewhere that wont see
development, make sure you use a desiccant but that is doesn't come in contact
with anything metal, that will cause corrosion and oxidation. vacuum seal pistols
if at all possible for added protection.

3. if they come to your door seeking your weapons, break out your receipts and
your sale ad, show them that you've sold the arms to make your house or car
payment. in many cases they'll want to search as you've been known to own
firearms

4. keep a couple of disposable small arms handy because when they search they
want to find something, you were holding out, they'll be hopping mad that they
did not find more but they have something so they will be pacified for the time
being, make sure to protest them taking your guns, spout the 2nd as often as
possible, and tell them you cant defend your family

5. good weapons to buy for seizure, lorcin 9mm, usually they cost less than $100
used in a pawn shop, maybe a raven arms .25ACP and a shotgun, 12 guage and
cheap, does not matter as long as it did not cost much. the whole point in having
these weapons is to have them taken in a mass confiscation

6. make sure any arms you stockpile are common calibers, something NATO forces
will carry, if TSHTF and you are forced to defend, dead soldiers are your best source
for ammunition and in some cases more weapons, it would be prudent to be able
to chamber their rounds


if there is any thing we've learned from recent history is that NATO does the
"police work", they wont have US soldiers confiscating the weapons, the vast
majority will not agree with the plan while the majority of NATO members believe
americans have far too many guns and will not be opposed to removing them
from our homes

when a confiscation occurs, they'll be out in force, a single man will not fend off a
platoon, when they believe they have the arms, that's when troops will be
withdrawn and you will have the upper hand
 
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I hear this from time to time, so I have to ask - "Just who is NATO going to send here for that type of program?"

Canada has one division, and half of it is in Afghanistan
The UK has a division+, they withdrew from Iraq, because the units had been cut in this year's budget, and what is left of the British Army takes turns in N. Ireland, and staging parades for the Queen in London.
Germany still has an army (10 divisions - same active duty strength as the US Army), but they and everybody else in NATO have shrunk down, and are more concerned with what Russia is going to do.
The French don't participate in the military command structure - so who is going to do this? Nobody else in NATO has enough of an army to put more than one brigade anywhere.
 
Every time I see a coffin, i open it and check for weapons. I have seen 2 Pistols, A Rifle, and over 2000 dead people.
I know a guy who had his wife put the remote control in his coffin ha ha ha :p

It was hilarious... at the funeral people would go up to the open coffin to pay their respects and when they got there they just started busting out laughing because he had the remote control in his hand. Now there is a guy with a sense of humor.:D
 
With the troubles looming on the horizon, I'd like to spark a discussion on hiding/burying backup firearms. In the event of mass gun confiscations and thefts by governmental contractors/employees, I think it a good idea to keep some backups buried or hidden in case they raid you at night or when you're not expecting it. Last thing I'd want is to be stuck without the ability to defend my family.

Even aside from that, keeping a hidden backup that you can uncover and share with friends or family in need is also a good idea.

What are the best methods for hiding/buring firearms? Would it make sense to dribble gun oil in various locations of the house in order to sidetrack gun-sniffing dogs? What would be the most likely place that they'd look? Where wouldn't they look? If there are papers on the weapons you own, should you sell them or hide them?

There are so many other aspects to this type of discussion, but someone's got to have thought this out.
Gun case wrapped in plastic wrap sprinkled heavy with black pepper.
 
Absolutely agree, but seeing how the sheep in Louisiana rolled over in some instances when their guns were confiscated to me makes this a valid concept to be seen by some here.



Agree.


Boy Scout Motto: Be Prepared

Louisiana was a real eye opener for me. I wonder if people actually learned anything from the holocaust, namely, that even when warned by friends and relatives that it was coming, most sheeple stayed put and refused to believe it. Then, when the time came, they just went off to the slaughter with nary a fight.
 
I hear this from time to time, so I have to ask - "Just who is NATO going to send here for that type of program?"

Nobody else in NATO has enough of an army to put more than one brigade anywhere.

27 nations currently have troops in iraq, many can be reassigned from other areas, dont assume that just because one country has troops deployed overseas that it leaves no one to be deployed to the US or in many instance redeployed from one nation to another


Canada has one division, and half of it is in Afghanistan

Canada has 5 divisions active duty, 2 divisions of reserves, that's 60k active duty personnel


The UK has a division+

the UK has 7+ divisions active duty, 2.5 divisions territorial, a total of 130k troops

Germany still has an army (10 divisions - same active duty strength as the US Army)

Germany has 200k active duty troops, 50k conscripts that equates to almost 20 divisions
the US has 1.4 million active duty soldiers, 800k reservists and 500k national guard

know your enemy, learn some math, a division has between 10k and 15k troops,
an army consists of 50k+ soldiers, seems there is the possibility that troops could
be deployed anywhere in the world regardless of how many are assigned to
NATO or the UN currently, I'm sure there's lots of soldiers in other nations wishing
for a working vacation in the US, all our government has to do is ask

they've already had them training here for years
 
Guns in the ground.

Might as well bury all of your freedom too.

What, you think you will be able to tell the JBTs that you lost or sold them and that's that?


They can arrest everybody if they want, and no reason needed. Not in a fiat-money powered system that is used in a prison system where more prisoners means more budget and that means more profits.

Can't arrest everybody you say? How about those illegals awaiting their amnesty and will bring in their 20 cousins each? Oh they can throw you in jail for not having the guns they are looking for, and Jose and cousins will replace you. Easy. And since that culture has a history of being ignorant if not following brush-on-the-shoulder el-presidente they will make perfect sheeple slaves. This is why illegals get away with so much while citizens are scanned, watched, tracked, taxed, and harrassed.


So you think they will move on and you can go dig up the gun and use it, eh? That's exactly what they assume, and the entire system is in place to put 10 million gun owners in lockup. What no evidence of giant prison camps? Don't need it. They can print as much money as they need to have as many tiny prisons everywhere they need them. The enemy learned a lot from the Nazis, like how to do the same as they do but not look like them. Burning books, for example, that's what the Nazis did. So you can't burn them. Instead take over and wreck the education system so youngsters cannot or will not read them. See? No books are burning. Nazis burn books. That mean we not nazis - so go back to grazing, sheeple.

Same with prison camps. Big prison camp is what nazis do. We not have big prison camps. We not nazis. Go back to grazing now.

Keep the guns with you at all times, or at any level of access. OK don't leave them in a glass case at the door.

But it's time to grow up and realize that this is a real game being played for keeps. When the day comes that a gun needs to be buried, is the day you will need to be putting the sites of human targets. You need to be mentally preparing for that instead of getting ready to hide like a kid with a stolen candy bar.
 
Guns in the ground.
What, you think you will be able to tell the JBTs that you lost or sold them and that's that?


They can arrest everybody if they want, and no reason needed.

it's at that point that the disposables will be handy, but it's not like you'll be
holding off a platoon with anything a civilian has, if they're calling for your arms
and you put up resistance, it's not like you'll live long enough to eliminate them


So you think they will move on and you can go dig up the gun and use it, eh? That's exactly what they assume, and the entire system is in place to put 10 million gun owners in lockup. What no evidence of giant prison camps?


rex84, now suddenly I feel so dirty, I'll don my foil hat and beg the reptilians
not to enslave me. if you're not familiar with rex84 do a quick search on youtube

I've been to benning, mcphereson and oakridge... the locations and descriptions
match, check your area, see what you find

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

Same with prison camps. Big prison camp is what nazis do. We not have big prison camps. We not nazis. Go back to grazing now.

I'm glad we are on the same page, we all know our government wouldn't do
something like that, we do have rights and they do respect them



But it's time to grow up and realize that this is a real game being played for keeps. When the day comes that a gun needs to be buried, is the day you will need to be putting the sites of human targets. You need to be mentally preparing for that instead of getting ready to hide like a kid with a stolen candy bar.

you'll run out of ammo long before they do
 
27 nations currently have troops in iraq, many can be reassigned from other areas, dont assume that just because one country has troops deployed overseas that it leaves no one to be deployed to the US or in many instance redeployed from one nation to another

Here is the list

http://www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/040628-factsheet.htm

Those 5 guys from Poland must be real ass kickers.


Canada has 5 divisions active duty, 2 divisions of reserves, that's 60k active duty personnel

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/7_0.asp?Start=20&action=RegRes&id=1

The Active force consists of the 1, 2, 5 Mech brigades and smaller units not large enough to create another brigade


the UK has 7+ divisions active duty, 2.5 divisions territorial, a total of 130k troops

1st Armoured - Germany
2nd Div- no combat troops assigned
3rd Div - UK
4th Div - no combat troops assigned
5th Div - HQ for deployed brigades
6th Div - no combat troops assigned

see http://www.army.mod.uk/structure/divisions/default.aspx


Germany has 200k active duty troops, 50k conscripts that equates to almost 20 divisions
the US has 1.4 million active duty soldiers, 800k reservists and 500k national guard

know your enemy, learn some math, a division has between 10k and 15k troops,
an army consists of 50k+ soldiers, seems there is the possibility that troops could
be deployed anywhere in the world regardless of how many are assigned to
NATO or the UN currently, I'm sure there's lots of soldiers in other nations wishing
for a working vacation in the US, all our government has to do is ask

they've already had them training here for years

Just so you know where I'm coming from, my last active duty assignment was S-3/ 2nd BDE / 1AD in Germany (before that I was assigned to the 4th Panzergrenadier Division so I'm somewhat familiar with the German Army) - feel free to list your contributions to the military arts, so your knowledge can be given a suitable amount of credibility.
 
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