Brown has VOTE BOMB!

good news tangent

final polls:
ppp brown +5
arg brown +7
insider advantage brown +9

Are you going to answer my question?


Interesting reactions, since you're only observing the tactic :rolleyes:


Mods, can we get this Brown neo-con nonsense (and all of his other threads) moved to some subforum (Hot Topics works) where it's not polluting Gen Pol, the main forum currently, on LIBERTY FOREST?
 
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In 24-36 hours, there will likely be a flurry of threads about the race, the results, and then you won't have to worry about this race again. Unless it's really close, a recount, or the Democrats want to pull some stunt like delaying, which is unlikely, because the Democrats do understand (I think, by now) that it would just piss the people off.

Are you going to answer my question?



Interesting reactions, since you're only observing the tactic :rolleyes:


Mods, can we get this Brown neo-con nonsense (and all of his other threads) moved to some subforum (Hot Topics works) where it's not polluting Gen Pol, the main forum currently, on LIBERTY FOREST?
 
In 24-36 hours, there will likely be a flurry of threads about the race, the results, and then you won't have to worry about this race again. Unless it's really close, a recount, or the Democrats want to pull some stunt like delaying, which is unlikely, because the Democrats do understand (I think, by now) that it would just piss the people off.

Somehow I think I'll be worrying about the result of this race regardless of who wins.
 
We cannot buy time with this approach. Every single election, from now on, it will be made to seem only MORE urgent that we elect the supposed lesser of two evils for short-term gain...and it will still fail to accomplish even the intended short-term goal. As I said in a reply to tones earlier:



tones, you repeatedly forget that the purported strategy is infiltrating and CHANGING the GOP, not supporting it as it stands today! You're panicking right now just like you were before you voted for McCain. Supporting neocons only reinforces the idea that they can get away with "same old, same old" perpetually, which will destroy any chance of fixing the party. You're blinded by the apparent "urgency of now," much like the liberal base was in 2005 and 2006, and they elected just any old Democrats to end the wars and restore civil liberties...but the Dems did NOT do what they were elected to do, and neither will Scott Brown if elected.

What you have to understand is that from this point on, everything will not only remain as dire and urgent as it is today, but every single election it will only get worse and even more seemingly urgent that we stop XYZ candidate or piece of particular legislation at all costs. There will NEVER, ever be a "break" where we can "safely" support liberty candidates without worrying about some horrendous and eternal piece of legislation being rammed down our throats. From the standpoint of the political establishment, the entire point of this ever-escalating sense of urgency is to get us to panic and support the same old assholes, every single time. This is the tactic the establishment has always used to maintain both the two-party system and their stranglehold over it, and you're falling for it. I warned you about this in 2008, I'm warning you about this now, and I have little doubt I'll be shouting the same warning to you later this year, in 2012, 2014, 2016, ad infinitum. By the way, voting for Scott Brown (and accomplishing NOTHING in the process) is also a great way to tell the establishment, "Hey, keep giving us the same panicked choice, because we'll fall for the same trick every time."

(Of course, all of this ignores the likelihood of widespread election fraud in the first place. I imagine elections are at least somewhat honest in some areas, otherwise Paul would likely have been gone long ago, but I have pretty much zero faith in the system as a whole.)

Bingo. People will get more of what they settle for. Fear is not an option for liberty minded goals.

Sig line- time to change our pants and press on.:)

Bunkloco
 
Are you kidding me with all this? Every time I login to Liberty Forrest I'm bombarded with threads to SUPPORT Brown. What happened to Libertarian values? I simply cannot believe that people are going to vote for a Republican virtually indistinguishable from a neocon based on a single freaking health care plan or some misguided attempt to show the establishment we mean business. WTF??

Do you honestly think that because you vote for Brown the healthcare bill will magically go away? If so, you're fooling yourselves and do not understand politics as they work. Even if Brown stops this particular version, rest assured another one will come along cleverly disguised as a "compromise" between the parties (read: more lobbyists were involved) that Brown will eagerly vote for.

Someone said on here a few days ago that Republicans and Democrats are two wings on the same vulture. Couldn't agree more.

I am a Ron Paul supporter because he's radically different from nearly every other politician, not just different on a few wedge issues. His entire philosophy is of individual liberty and fiscal responsibility, respect for other humans and bringing about the end of the corporate military industrial complex that runs this country.

I live in MA and will vote for Kennedy today. I hate the establishment and will do everything in my power to change it which includes voting with my conscience and not supporting a candidate who stands for war, big government, torture and the status quo.

Go ahead and flame me for my lack of posts now and call me an Obama supporter. Because even though I volunteered huge hours to RP's campaign and have been a supporter for years, my opinion will be dismissed since I haven't thousands of posts to back it up.

I don't care. I've been a fan of this forum for a long time and had to speak my disappointment about how far it's drifted from the ideals that first pulled this community together. Too bad.
 
When people figure out it isn't JUST a libertarian Forum they may have a little more peace of mind when they see OMG there are vile Republicans on here.
 
When people figure out it isn't JUST a libertarian Forum they may have a little more peace of mind when they see OMG there are vile Republicans on here.

What is a Republican? A Republican has no ideological stances, it is merely a Party, unto which most of its members do not follow even a little of their platform.

A constructionist Constitutionalist is a libertarian. Our Founding was a libertarian revolution. So, you are neither a Minarchist Constitutionalist, or an An-Cap, but are a Republican. I can only surmise that you either reject much of the Constitution, or you are severely contradictory.

Most Republicans are vile, indeed all are unless they are libertarian-republicans, just like all Democrats are vile, unless they are libertarian-democrats (Bob Conley, Traficant (Leans), etc.).

Why you still play these us vs them, red vs blue, rah rah I beat you, games I have no clue. This isn't a fucking game.
 
I've gotten so many election robo calls today that Scott Coakley just called me.


This must be what it's like to be in a swing state. I hate both of these candidates and every maniac across the world has donated money to either of their campaigns, mostly scott browns. every ad, every ad even on the internet for me is scott brown or a coakley ad about scott brown. the guy looks like a soap opera actor.
 
What is a Republican? A Republican has no ideological stances, it is merely a Party, unto which most of its members do not follow even a little of their platform.

A constructionist Constitutionalist is a libertarian. Our Founding was a libertarian revolution. So, you are neither a Minarchist Constitutionalist, or an An-Cap, but are a Republican. I can only surmise that you either reject much of the Constitution, or you are severely contradictory.

Most Republicans are vile, indeed all are unless they are libertarian-republicans, just like all Democrats are vile, unless they are libertarian-democrats (Bob Conley, Traficant (Leans), etc.).

Why you still play these us vs them, red vs blue, rah rah I beat you, games I have no clue. This isn't a fucking game.

Sadly what I found out is the libertarian philosophy is just as vile as the neocons.
 
Are you kidding me with all this? Every time I login to Liberty Forrest I'm bombarded with threads to SUPPORT Brown. What happened to Libertarian values? I simply cannot believe that people are going to vote for a Republican virtually indistinguishable from a neocon based on a single freaking health care plan or some misguided attempt to show the establishment we mean business. WTF??

Do you honestly think that because you vote for Brown the healthcare bill will magically go away? If so, you're fooling yourselves and do not understand politics as they work. Even if Brown stops this particular version, rest assured another one will come along cleverly disguised as a "compromise" between the parties (read: more lobbyists were involved) that Brown will eagerly vote for.

Someone said on here a few days ago that Republicans and Democrats are two wings on the same vulture. Couldn't agree more.

I am a Ron Paul supporter because he's radically different from nearly every other politician, not just different on a few wedge issues. His entire philosophy is of individual liberty and fiscal responsibility, respect for other humans and bringing about the end of the corporate military industrial complex that runs this country.

I live in MA and will vote for Kennedy today. I hate the establishment and will do everything in my power to change it which includes voting with my conscience and not supporting a candidate who stands for war, big government, torture and the status quo.

Go ahead and flame me for my lack of posts now and call me an Obama supporter. Because even though I volunteered huge hours to RP's campaign and have been a supporter for years, my opinion will be dismissed since I haven't thousands of posts to back it up.

I don't care. I've been a fan of this forum for a long time and had to speak my disappointment about how far it's drifted from the ideals that first pulled this community together. Too bad.

Simply enough, they are driven by their hatred for Democrats and have momentarily forgotten their opposition to the neocons. They won't rediscover it until they get stabbed in the back, yet again.
 
Yeah, NAP, Liberty, Private Property, all vile. :rolleyes:

"Liberty" Hah. Nearly every neocon claims to be for liberty just like the libertarians. But hell the neocons even have one up on the libertarians as they are for liberty around the world and willing to fight for it:rolleyes:
 
Simply enough, they are driven by their hatred for Democrats and have momentarily forgotten their opposition to the neocons. They won't rediscover it until they get stabbed in the back, yet again.

Same lesser of two evils bullshit that Ron Paul and others have warned us about.

We won't have any change unless people vote on principle and not party.
 
Same lesser of two evils bullshit that Ron Paul and others have warned us about.

We won't have any change unless people vote on principle and not party.

so, you support deathcare and bigger govt?
 
"But hell the neocons even have one up on the libertarians as they are for liberty around the world and willing to fight for it"

yeah you don't want to get caught in one of those neocon stampedes outside enlistment centers. man bill kristol and richard perle almost flattened me the other day
 
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