Brokered Convention

[No1ButPaul08]

For all disbelievers, this post pretty much explains the strategy giving us a chance to make a difference.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=116036

It makes perfect sense to me that they are NOT BOUND in the first ballot now because the Candidate who won the state dropped out. And now we have a chance towards doing something about it. Imagine if all the states did this as well. We could get the majority of delegates within all the states Romney won by voting for our own supporters to be state delegates.

Of course this is only for Michigan thus far, but it would make sense to me if all the other states did the same thing.

The question is, what are we going to do about it? Come on Michigan residents, get out there now and become state delegates!!!

For all believers, prove to me McCain doesn't have 633 bound and 66 unbound for 699 delegates total. Also 311 are availabe from that states that have voted. McCain is sure to pick up some of those.

 

[fabijo]

Okay, yes. McCain can get more delegates. So we should just stop? I really don't understand the goal in discouraging people from trying to become delegates.

 

[noztnac]

I go with the second option listed in this article.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/thornton/thornton42.html

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Okay, yes. McCain can get more delegates. So we should just stop? I really don't understand the goal in discouraging people from trying to become delegates.

Where have I or Bradley ever discouraged people from becoming delegates. People act like a brokered convention is a lock. We're here to bring people back to reality.

 

[tank]

No time - gotta get more delegates for Michigan... but good luck with your plan thingie.

 

[Liberté]

Let me repost again, my comments that no one refutes:
there is just so much totally bad information here.


This is a load of crap on so many levels: votes do have bearing on choosing delegates that choose the nominee; one can get 1192 votes from unbound and bound delegates; there are enough votes outstanding for McCain to win outright.



This is just delusional ranting: someone call for a straight-jacket. The delusions are based on an understanding of the process from Anson's site that is, to be charitable, well-meaning but laughable:



Let me add that McCain won California and other primary states where the candidate himself picks his slate of "delegate candidates" who support him. The voters then chose them as delegates to the convention. NONE of them are "stealth" Paul supporters, much less a majority of them. It is a load of crap from a delusional post.

You are right on!

 

[tank]

Where have I or Bradley ever discouraged people from becoming delegates. People act like a brokered convention is a lock. We're here to bring people back to reality.

The way you both are talking, you are implying that McCain is a lock -- and that is clearly not the case yet. He is ahead but hasn't won anything yet... and that is the reality.

 

[fabijo]

Where have I or Bradley ever discouraged people from becoming delegates. People act like a brokered convention is a lock. We're here to bring people back to reality.

I guess I just haven't been reading where people are saying we're sure to have a brokered convention. People are posting about possibilities because lots of RP supporters are losing heart and need to hear about all the possible situations that give hope. We need to spread encouragement and hope so that people do not give up.

I can see your concern about making sure people aren't led to believe we're definitely having a brokered convention. It just comes across that you are trying to stop people from believing in the possibility, which then sends the message that it is pointless to even become delegates.

 

[tank]

I can see your concern about making sure people aren't led to believe we're definitely having a brokered convention. It just comes across that you are trying to stop people from believing in the possibility, which then sends the message that it is pointless to even become delegates.

Exactly. They are sending the message that the ONLY WAY TO WIN is to use their plan to stop McCain. Whether or not that is their intent, that is the way it is coming off.

 

[fabijo]

I just read the plan. If we cast our votes to Huck, we run the risk of him getting the nomination. There are still enough delegates left to push Huck over the 1191 barrier. I would hate for the plan to backfire like that.

 

[Liberté]

The way you both are talking, you are implying that McCain is a lock -- and that is clearly not the case yet. He is ahead but hasn't won anything yet... and that is the reality.

McCain is a lock, unless he dies or gets convicted of a felony John McCain WILL be the GOP Nominee. Heck! Romney, Fred, and Rudy are all supporting him now... even the radio hosts are starting to whine the "well, let’s back McCain over Clinton/Obama). When Huckabee drops, he will support McCain too...

If (and that is a HUGE IF) there was a brokered convention Romney, Fred, etc... Type person would have the best shot... but it wouldn't happen anyway, McCain will take it in the first vote, with plenty of delegates to spare.

This race is over! The movement has just begun!!! We haven't lost... we have won... and when Ron Paul walks into the National Convention with 100+ delegates that will be a powerful Statement. That is why we need to keep getting delegates.

We learned a lot during this race, 2012 will be better. We have leverage in 2008; remember the GOP candidate probably can't win if RP runs 3rd Party! Ron Paul can wring concessions out of McCain.

 

[tank]

There is a LOT OF RISK that the brokered convention will even work... but it appears that is the current plan, and whether or not some people disagree, they should still try to participate rather than scream "It's unrealistic" and provoke others for not even trying.

People keep speaking about realities -- well the reality is, if we don't try, then it surely won't work at all.

 

[tank]

We learned a lot during this race, 2012 will be better. We have leverage in 2008; remember the GOP candidate probably can't win if RP runs 3rd Party! Ron Paul can wring concessions out of McCain.

There's not going to be a third party run. Ron Paul just said so in latest blog post, which was just today. Here is that blog post:

February 8, 2008

Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well.

Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.

I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.

In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.

Sincerely,

Ron

He also mentioned that a brokered convention was next to zero happening. Now that people know THE REALITY, let's get back to business and continue to get those delegates!!