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christagious

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Okay, I looked up the definition of a BC:
A brokered convention refers to a situation in United States politics where there are not enough delegates obtained during the presidential primary and caucus process for a single candidate to obtain a majority for the presidential nominating convention. Since no candidates receive enough votes on the first ballot to win the nomination, the convention is brokered through political horse-trading and multiple ballots.


What I don't understand is how we could even win one since the establishment favors McCain. What's going to stop the uncommitted delegates from just going towards McCain, or even Huckabee?

Can somebody explain this to me so that I can explain it to other people?
 
Here is the answer and it is Paul's secret plan.......

PLEASE READ THE EMAILS BELOW TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN WIN. THE FOLLOWING LINK IS ALSO A GOOD READ. PLEASE GO TO YOUR CAUCUS AND BECOME A DELEGATE. Thanks for all you are doing to save our country!

The Strategy is Working... A Must Read...
http://ron-paul-campaign.blogspot.com/2008/02/super-tuesday-winner.html
----- Original Message -----
Becoming a delegate takes less time than it does to read the following:


PEOPLE PLEASE READ THIS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN WIN THE NOMINATION AND STOP LISTENING TO THE MSM FOR YOUR INFO!
Posted February 6th, 2008 by SGP

I hope someone will put this on the front page so it doesn't get lost.

The MSM is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so I will tell you to stop getting your info from the MSM.

I know many of you are bummed about yesterday BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS : Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.

First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters i s if 1 person receives 1192 delegates that are bound by state rules to be committed to that candidate. So if a candidate like McCain has 600 delegates now and he doesn't reach 1192 most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 600 for McCain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.

So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommitted to the other candidates and will support him. these delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommitted to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.

This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomination until the convention.

The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008

SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?

This means that all of the people that registered to become a delegate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast their vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a delegate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.

Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.

Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?

NO THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works.

We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.

Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.

So please STOP you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn't you?

The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.

I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.

NOW LETS KEEP WORKING!

Dr. Steve Parent




--
This message was sent by Stuart Grant ([email protected]) from The Bellingham Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group.
To learn more about Stuart Grant, visit his/her member profile
 
they don't committ until they are at the convention

So basically at the convention our goal as delegates for Ron Paul is to convince enough of the other delegates that the ONLY WAY THE GOP can get in the White House is with Ron Paul


Ron will get to speak at the convention.


We will use polls that show Ron Paul doing tremendously well against democrat candidates(especially Hitlery) And then we bring out the statistics


70% of Americans want out of Iraq
Gop has dropped in members by like 20%
exit polls show ROn Paul with a good amount of Independant and Democrat support


At the COnvention all people will be thinking is how to get the GOP in the WHitehouse

Most of them are party pullers and will do WHATEVER IS BEST FOR THE PARTY

So we must sell them on ROn Paul as being That.

And if we do that then EVERYTHING CHANGES


MEDIA MUST ACKNOWLEDGE US AND THEN WE GET FUNDS FROM THE NAT'L GOP

AND THEN WE WIN
 
christagious said:
What I don't understand is how we could even win one since the establishment favors McCain. What's going to stop the uncommitted delegates from just going towards McCain, or even Huckabee?

Can somebody explain this to me so that I can explain it to other people?
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Read the long story in my signature on the Republican National Convention in 1880. The GOP was mainly pulling for Grant and thought they had it in the bag. He was close, but not close enough to get majority vote. The balloting went on for days before just ONE SINGLE DELEGATE cast his vote for James Garfield - someone who wasn't even running for President.

Later, 16 more delegates voted for Garfield. Then Blaine figured to send his delegates to vote for Garfield since the convention was getting nowhere. Then Sherman did the same thing. James Garfield won the Republican Nomination, then went on to win the presidency.

I just read that story yesterday because someone on these boards linked to it. It is very inspiring to think of the possibilities when things start going a little chaotic.
 
fedup100 said:
Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.
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Holy crap, I didnt know this....wait, I thought we only had 42 while McCain had 600? How does that work?
 
fedup100 said:
Here is the answer and it is Paul's secret plan.......

PLEASE READ THE EMAILS BELOW TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN WIN. THE FOLLOWING LINK IS ALSO A GOOD READ. PLEASE GO TO YOUR CAUCUS AND BECOME A DELEGATE. Thanks for all you are doing to save our country!

The Strategy is Working... A Must Read...
http://ron-paul-campaign.blogspot.com/2008/02/super-tuesday-winner.html
----- Original Message -----
Becoming a delegate takes less time than it does to read the following:


PEOPLE PLEASE READ THIS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN WIN THE NOMINATION AND STOP LISTENING TO THE MSM FOR YOUR INFO!
Posted February 6th, 2008 by SGP

I hope someone will put this on the front page so it doesn't get lost.

The MSM is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so I will tell you to stop getting your info from the MSM.

I know many of you are bummed about yesterday BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS : Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.

First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters i s if 1 person receives 1192 delegates that are bound by state rules to be committed to that candidate. So if a candidate like McCain has 600 delegates now and he doesn't reach 1192 most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 600 for McCain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.

So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommitted to the other candidates and will support him. these delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommitted to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.

This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomination until the convention.

The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008

SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?

This means that all of the people that registered to become a delegate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast their vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a delegate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.

Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.

Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?

NO THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works.

We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.

Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.

So please STOP you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn't you?

The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.

I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.

NOW LETS KEEP WORKING!

Dr. Steve Parent




--
This message was sent by Stuart Grant ([email protected]) from The Bellingham Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group.
To learn more about Stuart Grant, visit his/her member profile
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Why do you keep spamming this?
 
I know that we picked up many more uncomitted delegates but are some of those really officially listed for other candidates? This would of course greatly change the numbers (and remember we've got lots of weird MSM reports about delegate distribution in some states).
 
Seanmc30 said:
Holy crap, I didnt know this....wait, I thought we only had 42 while McCain had 600? How does that work?
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Don't rely on the MSM for your data.
Our whole plan from the get go as I understand it was this. We have the zealous supporters who will show up to the caucuses and go on and vote for only Dr. Paul. From what I understand the MSM "awards" delegates like this.

X state has 10 delegates, and has a non binding straw poll. The straw poll results come back for Z. Nominee and he has taken 50% in the NON BINDING straw poll state wide. Therefore the MSM assumes that Z. Nominee will get 5 delegates. This is not how it will work though. I would even go as far as to say that in states that are not winner take all Dr. Paul has more delegates than any other candidate.
If this is not how it works someone correct me. I am a delegate to the county caucus and do you think there is any way in hell that I will ever vote for any non Ron Paul supporter? No RP supporter who is a delegate will ever for for someone other then RP. Read the story about the 1880 brokered convention.

The majority of straw polls mean NOTHING. I don't understand why everyone thinks the sky is falling. WE SHOULD HAVE KNOW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
 
Even if Ron Paul does not get 5 states before the convention, and if the convention goes into a brokered convention, couldn't Ron Paul "demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states" by the delegates from some states during the convention?

I don't read anywhere in the rules that the five state minimum needs to be acquired prior to the convention. It just says prior to the nomination.
 
fabijo said:
Even if Ron Paul does not get 5 states before the convention, and if the convention goes into a brokered convention, couldn't Ron Paul "demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states" by the delegates from some states during the convention?

I don't read anywhere in the rules that the five state minimum needs to be acquired prior to the convention. It just says prior to the nomination.
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correct
 
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