Brokered convention misunderstandings

[Melissa]

Not the list part - the pretending you will be a delegate for one candidate when in fact you intend on voting for another part.

you are not pretending anything-take my state if I win a delegate spot but Mccain wins the state then on my first ballot I have to vote Mccain--but if there is no clear winner I am unbound and get to choose who me 2nd vote is for --not illegal they made the rules we are just using them

 

[Neopaulitan]

Ok, gotcha.

However, in my state Ron Paul didn't even win a delegate (you need 15% of the popular vote to get one). Romney and McCain got them all. Therefore, in order to be a delegate here, we would have to be a McCain or Romney delegate with the later intention of voting for Paul. This is what the meetup group are proposing.

Does that make any sense? (They sure don't make this easy! )

 

[Bradley in DC]

So could any of you smart people answer this for me?

Please, please, please, take state-specific discussions to your respective state subforum. One of the biggest sources of confusion has come from people trying to understand the rules of one state by listening to someon explaining another one's rules.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Please, please, please, take state-specific discussions to your respective state subforum. One of the biggest sources of confusion has come from people trying to understand the rules of one state by listening to someon explaining another one's rules.

It's funny, our platform is basically states rights and legalizing the tenth amendment, yet most people can't grasp this concept here

 

[Neopaulitan]

Please, please, please, take state-specific discussions to your respective state subforum. One of the biggest sources of confusion has come from people trying to understand the rules of one state by listening to someon explaining another one's rules.

Sorry! I'm not trying to make this any more confusing, believe me. I thought what I was asking was a general question for any state as they could all potentially have this issue.

My bad.

 

[Melissa]

Sorry! I'm not trying to make this any more confusing, believe me. I thought what I was asking was a general question for any state as they could all potentially have this issue.

My bad.

dont worry I agree that you were asking a general question and not state specific some here get picky but dont let them bother you we all want the same thing-Dr. paul to win

 

[Bradley in DC]

Sorry! I'm not trying to make this any more confusing, believe me. I thought what I was asking was a general question for any state as they could all potentially have this issue.

My bad.

No worries, I'm sorry about that, just a bit sensitive on it. I've seen so many discussions here where people know one state and think everywhere else is the same which causes so many problems. The more we can get vibrant state discussions going, the better.

 

[enjerth]

Is there not a big difference between "win 5 states" and "get a majority of delegates in 5 states" ?

Edit: I think they're completely different.

In winner-take-all states, there's no difference. However, if you win with a 30% plurality and you are awarded 30% of the delegates, that is still not a majority of delegates.

 

[Bradley in DC]

In winner-take-all states, there's no difference. However, if you win with a 30% plurality and you are awarded 30% of the delegates, that is still not a majority of delegates.

For the "elected" portion of the delegates, that's right, but with the "unelected" or superdelegates, one might still be able to make a majority of the delegation.

 

[cjhowe]

What you don't seem to the get is that there is NO state convention in primary states that will mythically approve the slate.

A cursory look shows that there are 14 states + D.C. that do not choose national delegates by state or congressional delegation.


AL, IL, MD NJ, PA, RI, and TN the national delegates are voted for on the primary ballot

CA, CT, D.C., ID, NY, OH, WV, and WI the winning candidate submits the slate.

Every other state, some other delegation decides (State convention, Congressional Convention, Congressional Caucus, etc).

 

[No1ButPaul08]

A cursory look shows that there are 14 states + D.C. that do not choose national delegates by state or congressional delegation.


AL, IL, MD NJ, PA, RI, and TN the national delegates are voted for on the primary ballot

CA, CT, D.C., ID, NY, OH, WV, and WI the winning candidate submits the slate.

Every other state, some other delegation decides (State convention, Congressional Convention, Congressional Caucus, etc).

Cj, have you seen my post on this same convention forum. I think you would be interested...we're on the same track with regard to the rules...until someone shows more, you, me, and bradley have the most knowledge here with regard to rules. krippy also seems to have a pretty good grasp

 

[mketcher]

Since I get asked about this repeatedly, there is a rule to suspend the rules, but honestly people, PLEASE don't count on this to get Dr. Paul the nomination.

We'd need the same support to suspend the rules as we would to qualify to get Dr. Paul nominated in the first place.

RULE NO. 32
Suspension of Rules
A motion to suspend the rules shall always be in order, but only when made by authority of a majority of the delegates from any state and seconded by a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more other states severally.​

Suspending the rules is just one option. There are many Republicans who are dissatisfied with McCain, so there are probably other people besides Paul supporters who would like to suspend the rules. We could see other names being mentioned for the nomination -- names that haven't even come up yet.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Suspending the rules is just one option. There are many Republicans who are dissatisfied with McCain, so there are probably other people besides Paul supporters who would like to suspend the rules. We could see other names being mentioned for the nomination -- names that haven't even come up yet.

What other "options" do you see besides following the actual rules or following the rule to suspend the rules? Stop the nonsense.

It is easier to get nominated (majority of delegates from five states) than to suspend the rules (majority of delegates from six states).

"Many Republicans"? It's a vote of the delegates at the national convention. McCain has the most delegates so far.

 

[suzypotaka]

<<<In many (most?) states, he does appoint his slate of "delegate candidates" to represent him at the convention if he wins the primary (not sure about caucus states).>>>

Here are where the rules vary state-to-state. I am in a caucus state (not disclosing where as there is MUCH time left & planning is crucial for our next wave)

Our GOP rules state we can go *undeclared* (TG!) So in our case the *trojan horse* does apply. It's just a matter of all RP'rs knowing in advance who we are & who we are voting for on our slate!! It's called pre-organizing! And a lot of phone calls etc....(if you have an HQ person professing *bling* for goodness sake IGNORE them--you will NOT get your delegates at State!!) KNOW who they are in advance!!

PLAN AHEAD!! KNOW your people! KNOW your slate!!

People you HAVE got to really read your State GOP rules!!! No *one* person here on the boards can assist everyone in a "one size fits all". Yet IF you have your GOP rules & have questions--by all means post the the rule...& then the question!

Yet anyone reading from another state has GOT to understand it may not apply to YOU!!

Bradley-- GREAT thread!!!!

 

[Drsteveparent]

For the "elected" portion of the delegates, that's right, but with the "unelected" or superdelegates, one might still be able to make a majority of the delegation.

What Super delegates? The republicans do not have super delegates and Bradley why don't you stop telling people they are wrong when you say yourself in many posts that you believe.

I need a straight jacket? You need to understand your own parties process and it is clear you really don't understand how the delegated process works

So instead of fighting against my posts about how the delegate process works contact me yourself and i will gladly explain it to you.

By the way i have never seen 1 STATE law that require delegates to be bound or go to jail you are confusing STATE law with party rule and there is a big difference.

Please get your facts straight before you attack my facts for you are only making my job harder because 10 times i day i have to explain to people why i am right and you have been either wrong or mistaken either way you are hurting all i have tried to do for Dr. Paul

 

[Banana]

DSP,

What about this post: Someone cited a law in Georgia

 

[Corydoras]

Massachusetts does not specify a penalty, but delegates are bound by state law.
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/53-70i.htm

PART I. ADMINISTRATION OF THE GOVERNMENT

TITLE VIII. ELECTIONS

CHAPTER 53. NOMINATIONS, QUESTIONS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE VOTERS, PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES

PROVISIONS APPLYING TO PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARIES

Chapter 53: Section 70I. Delegates and alternate delegates to national conventions; voting for president on first roll call

Section 70I. If there is a roll call vote for president at the national convention of a political party, all delegates and alternate delegates whose selection is subject by party rule to the approval of a presidential candidate shall vote on the first such roll call for that presidential candidate unless released by such candidate.

 

[brandon]

What Super delegates? The republicans do not have super delegates and Bradley why don't you stop telling people they are wrong when you say yourself in many posts that you believe.

Technically, the democrats dont have "superdelegates" either. "Superdelegate" is nothing more that a catchy buzzword the media created, it is not an official term by any means. The republican party sends delegates to the RNC that essentially are picked the same as the democrat superdelegates. Many states send high ranking committeemen to the RNC completely unbound without the people ever voting them in. What is the difference between this and a "superdelegate?"

By the way i have never seen 1 STATE law that require delegates to be bound or go to jail you are confusing STATE law with party rule and there is a big difference.

There are several of these laws listed in this thread. Most states make the laws that the political parties must follow. The state decides when the primary will be held, the locations people can vote at, the deadlines to file, etc. Many of the functions that you would expect to be left to the private political parties are actually handled by the state.

As far as going to jail, no I dont think any state will send you to jail.

10 times i day i have to explain to people why i am right

You sure have a big head for someone who was wrong about several things just in this thread.

On another note, congrats on getting a Ph.D., but do you really need to flaunt it in your handle on a message board? I can't stand that level of condecension. What was your thesis work in? Certainly not English, as your sentence structure is sub-par and you seem unfamiliar with even the most basic rules of punctuation and capitalization.