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[akforme]

Republicans trying to screw over the middle class again and all I see on this forum is people cheering them on. Pathetic.

that's a small view look at the situation. On it's face, yes, but why are all these people dependent on government? What happens when governments can't pay their bills and get get loans? I got fired by my best friend because work just stopped coming. Was he trying to hurt me? As for the humor, you can find anything funny. We can't change it, might as well laugh at it.

 

[Elwar]

Hopefully for Wisconsin the Democrats stay out of state for the rest of the year.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

The Public sector wants the government to Tax(Steal) more money from the Private sector... because they don't want to pay for their own benefits?

 

[specsaregood]

Republicans trying to screw over the middle class again and all I see on this forum is people cheering them on. Pathetic.

If they don't like the wages their employer (the taxpayer) is offering, then they are free to find a job in the private sector.

 

[Krugerrand]

I hope their pay is docked for their time in hiding. Their health benefits should be suspended as well.

 

[moostraks]

Republicans trying to screw over the middle class again and all I see on this forum is people cheering them on. Pathetic.

I am not cheering them on. These roaches are two sides of the same coin. I find it amusing they have to flee the police to avoid making a vote. Wonder how it feels to have to be hunted? However sounds like just think themselves above the situation and fancy themselves brilliant at their move. Eventually they will have to face the music.

We are going to see a similar situation in Ohio soon. Our Republican governor is another who is selling out one group to support his cronies. The best I can hope for is people to realize it isn't r or d but the one party system. They had options for a third party here but found them all unelectable. So it will take more pain before people start to wake up to the corruption.

 

[newbitech]

so the state workers are pissed off because the Governor is doing what is in the best interest of EVERYONE instead of doing what is in the best interest of this small special interest group?

So this is the pro-BIG GOVERNMENT rally right?

 

[moostraks]

so the state workers are pissed off because the Governor is doing what is in the best interest of EVERYONE instead of doing what is in the best interest of this small special interest group?

So this is the pro-BIG GOVERNMENT rally right?

It is a politically popular move by Republican governors right now. Don't be so quick to decide it is all right or wrong from one side. Ohio's wants to do the same thing but has no problem wasting money on his own friends and privileges.

 

[fiddler1]

Republicans trying to screw over the middle class again and all I see on this forum is people cheering them on. Pathetic.

I pay taxes in Kenosha, Wisconsin. My property values just went down. My property taxes went up almost 10% The school system here just had a budget increase of almost 10% from last year.. The teachers just got a raise. Who is getting screwed? I AM. I think the middle class includes me..

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Teachers in Kenosha Unified on the average earned $53,860 annually, according to data from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction for 2008-09 This year, the average salary for a teacher is $56,594.61 with an average of $32,580.59 in benefits, according to the district.

And they are whining? Iam totally ticked off... Get a clue

 

[RedStripe]

fixed.

Republicans and Democrats screw everyone all the time, but this time the former are doing the right thing.

You really don't understand, at a fundamental level, how this economy actually works do you?

If you think anyone but the top 5% of Americans are the parasites you are simply ignorant.

Oh and I love how people on this forum love attacking public service workers who actually provide services organized by a remotely democratically representative government body (state) and only a few threads away fawns over people receiving federal paychecks for carrying around a gun in foreign countries.

 

[newbitech]

It is a politically popular move by Republican governors right now. Don't be so quick to decide it is all right or wrong from one side. Ohio's wants to do the same thing but has no problem wasting money on his own friends and privileges.

I just want to be clear. These are people who don't contribute to their own retirement, make 50k+ an hour, and have their health care paid for. The post right above mine shows these folks, teachers, are compensated about 90k a year. The state is broke and in debt. I would think that a teacher would be able to figure out the math. There is no money to keep paying your salary and benefits, so the Governor is doing the only thing he can do, reduce compensation by eliminating the right to walk off the job to force being paid and still keep your job.

These people need to realize that the money is not there, and by shutting down the State services and holding those services hostage, they are in effect demanding the governor to raise taxes on everyone else.

Just saying, this is a pro-big government rally. These people are pissed, but do they realize that the only way to make the math work is to raise taxes for everyone else? I hope they get their way so that the other 80-90% of their fellow citizens in that state will realize that they cannot afford those services. Then maybe we'll see some competition in things like schools, libraries, etc etc..

 

[Elwar]

You really don't understand, at a fundamental level, how this economy actually works do you?

If you think anyone but the top 5% of Americans are the parasites you are simply ignorant.

Oh and I love how people on this forum love attacking public service workers who actually provide services organized by a remotely democratically representative government body (state) and only a few threads away fawns over people receiving federal paychecks for carrying around a gun in foreign countries.

My fire department and garbage service is private. My water and electric are also private.

Until all of these services are privatized everywhere, government is bloated.

And there are plenty of other public services that could be privatized, I just don't happen to live in a place with more.

 

[RedStripe]

The Public sector wants the government to Tax(Steal) more money from the Private sector... because they don't want to pay for their own benefits?

Close your eyes for a moment and imagine that the government is just a giant corporation collecting rent/interest from us all... illusory public/private sector distinction gone. Corporations have power because they rely on government force. Governments have power because they rely on government force. You're living in a fantasy land if you think there's a real difference.

 

[low preference guy]

Oh and I love how people on this forum love attacking public service workers who actually provide services organized by a remotely democratically representative government body (state) and only a few threads away fawns over people receiving federal paychecks for carrying around a gun in foreign countries.

Who? Definitely not me.

 

[RedStripe]

If they don't like the wages their employer (the taxpayer) is offering, then they are free to find a job in the private sector.

Out of one corner of your mouth you want to argue that these people are economically "free" to find other ways of making a living. Out of the other corner of your mouth you want to argue about how heavily restricted the middle class is, economically-speaking, by regulations and taxes. Which is it?

 

[RedStripe]

My fire department and garbage service is private. My water and electric are also private.

Until all of these services are privatized everywhere, government is bloated.

And there are plenty of other public services that could be privatized, I just don't happen to live in a place with more.

Oh right, I totally forgot how corporations are private, free market entities. Give me a break.

 

[low preference guy]

Oh right, I totally forgot how corporations are private, free market entities. Give me a break.

*facepalm*

a corporation is a group of people who get together to achieve some objective. that's perfectly fine, and they're free market entities. are you a communist?

are you saying communism=free market?

 

[civusamericanus]

 

[Flash]

*facepalm*

a corporation is a group of people who get together to achieve some objective. that's perfectly fine, and they're free market entities. are you a communist?

are you saying communism=free market?

Companies /=/ Corporations. Corporations are an entity that exists independently of it's owners. I don't see how corporations would exist in a truly free market.

 

[moostraks]

I just want to be clear. These are people who don't contribute to their own retirement, make 50k+ an hour, and have their health care paid for. The post right above mine shows these folks, teachers, are compensated about 90k a year. The state is broke and in debt. I would think that a teacher would be able to figure out the math. There is no money to keep paying your salary and benefits, so the Governor is doing the only thing he can do, reduce compensation by eliminating the right to walk off the job to force being paid and still keep your job.

These people need to realize that the money is not there, and by shutting down the State services and holding those services hostage, they are in effect demanding the governor to raise taxes on everyone else.

Just saying, this is a pro-big government rally. These people are pissed, but do they realize that the only way to make the math work is to raise taxes for everyone else? I hope they get their way so that the other 80-90% of their fellow citizens in that state will realize that they cannot afford those services. Then maybe we'll see some competition in things like schools, libraries, etc etc..

I agree with your sentiment and understand your position. However, is this specifically targeted at bloated pay or just the union groups that would not be responsible for enforcing/dealing with riot type issues? I was under the impression this was a sweeping declaration against everyone but police and fire (who supposedly also benefited this man's election). That includes a great deal of people more than your standard teacher. They make the rules to benefit themselves not because they are supporting the public outcry. The governors are no different than the rest of the crooks in Washington.