BREAKING NEWS: Russia threat to use force over Kosovo

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Russia threat to use force over Kosovo
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:49:35

Moscow's ambassador to NATO says Russia could resort to "Brute force" if NATO or the European Union challenge the UN on Kosovo.

According to Interfax news agency, Dmitry Rogozin in a video link-up from Brussels said, "If the European Union works out a common position, or if NATO breaches its mandate in Kosovo, these organizations will be in conflict with the United Nations."

"We too will have to proceed from the view that in order to be respected we must use Brute force, in other words armed force."
 
Russia threat to use force over Kosovo
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:49:35

Moscow's ambassador to NATO says Russia could resort to "Brute force" if NATO or the European Union challenge the UN on Kosovo.

According to Interfax news agency, Dmitry Rogozin in a video link-up from Brussels said, "If the European Union works out a common position, or if NATO breaches its mandate in Kosovo, these organizations will be in conflict with the United Nations."

"We too will have to proceed from the view that in order to be respected we must use Brute force, in other words armed force."

Shit and Fan are moving closer together.

Who is the role model for using pre-emptive military force to solve future and/or non-existent problems?

If you guessed mentally unstable Uncle Sam, you progress to the next round.
 
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Russia threat to use force over Kosovo
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:49:35

Moscow's ambassador to NATO says Russia could resort to "Brute force" if NATO or the European Union challenge the UN on Kosovo.

According to Interfax news agency, Dmitry Rogozin in a video link-up from Brussels said, "If the European Union works out a common position, or if NATO breaches its mandate in Kosovo, these organizations will be in conflict with the United Nations."

"We too will have to proceed from the view that in order to be respected we must use Brute force, in other words armed force."

But he said Russia would not get involved in any armed confrontation over Kosovo.

"I can guarantee you that there will be no war between Russia and NATO over Kosovo" though the Kosovo issue "will certainly hamper our dialogue," he said.
 
Kimo said:
"We too will have to proceed from the view that in order to be respected we must use Brute force, in other words armed force."

The casual use of such language is alarming.

Who set the precedent?

Now every nation with a gun or two, will feel entitled.
 
But he said Russia would not get involved in any armed confrontation over Kosovo.

"I can guarantee you that there will be no war between Russia and NATO over Kosovo" though the Kosovo issue "will certainly hamper our dialogue," he said.


Where you got this?
I read something else in other news agencies?
Link? Source?
 
True, the last time Russia allowed Serbis to sucker it into a war, the Russian nation suffered 70 years of communist thuggery. They will whine and wail and bluster, but they are not about to go to war over Serbia, particularly since Serbia has a lot to answer for on this account. They were the ones who terrorized and murdered the ethnic Albanians durng the 90s. Kinda natural to want to seperate when your mother nation is sending tropps to commit crimes of rape and murder.
 
But I do too believe more in this, when the others. Russia is just looking for some kind a deal. Kosovo crisis is not a part in their strategical interests.

I believe that Kosovo has potential mineral wealth. (yep - here we go: http://kosovareport.blogspot.com/2005/01/world-bank-survey-puts-kosovos-mineral.html ) Mineral wealth 13.5 billion euros in 2005. Serbia, not so much.

Last night, I just happened to catch a talk radio show (I think it was Medved, but I don't listen enough to know for sure.) A caller called in, and proceded to totally burn Medved on every point he tried to make. Think how Michael Scheuer knows history and debates on Iraq, and that's how this guy was making his case. (Hint - it involves going back more than 20 years to grasp history.)

It was so interesting, but - and this was unreal - Medved said "This is a great discussion. Bear with me and we'll continue this talk after the commercials." The commercials lasted a looooong time, then Medved came back with no further mention of the caller. At least, until I got out of the car. I'm guessing he just decided to cut him off.

Apparently if you're smarter than Medved on any topic, you're not allowed to talk on Medved's show.
 
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They were the ones who terrorized and murdered the ethnic Albanians durng the 90s. Kinda natural to want to seperate when your mother nation is sending tropps to commit crimes of rape and murder.

Nice propaganda. Did you make that up yourself, or was it put in your head for you?


The ethnic Albanians were revolting against the police/government in Kosovo, helped by Al-Queda and Osama Bin Laden. War is hell, and so are revolutions.

As for the facts, here's an opposing opinion on your propaganda regurgitation:

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"In March 1999, NATO forces launched an 11-week
non-stop aerial attack upon Yugoslavia that violated
the UN charter, NATO's own charter, the US
Constitution, and the War Powers Act. Yugoslavia had
invaded no UN or NATO member. The Congress had made no
declaration of war. No matter.
...
Thus, a week before the bombings began, David
Scheffer, US State Department ambassador at large for
war crime issues, announced that "we have upwards [of]
about 100,000 [ethnic Albanian] men that we cannot
account for" in Kosovo.

A month later, the State Department claimed that up to
500,000 Kosovo Albanians were missing and feared dead.
...
Not long after, as public support for the war began to
wane, Ambassador Scheffer escalated the 100,000 figure
to "as many as 225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged
between 14 and 59" who remained unaccounted. He
considered this to be one of the greatest genocidal
crimes against a civilian population. Indeed it was,
if true.
...
From June through August 1999, the New York Times
alone ran 80 articles, nearly one a day, that made
some reference to mass graves in Kosovo. Yet when it
came down to hard evidence, the graves seemed to
disappear, as the FBI discovered for itself.

In mid-June, the FBI sent a team to investigate two of
the sites listed in the war crimes indictment against
Slobodan Milosevic, one said to contain six victims
and the other 20.

The team lugged 107,000 pounds of equipment into
Kosovo to handle what was called the "largest crime
scene in the FBI's forensic history", but it came up
with no reports about mass graves.

Some weeks after its arrival, the FBI team returned
home, oddly with not a word to say about their
investigation. Months later, the London Financial
Times reported that the FBI had found not thousands
but 200 bodies at 30 sites."

http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve3/1023par.html
 
Here's more from Russia Today.RU:

Russia’s “brute force” is ready: Moscow's NATO envoy

The significance of Kosovo's independence has gone beyond the diplomatic sphere - that's the message from Russia's envoy to NATO Dmitry Rogozin. In a world where the principle 'he who has the power, has the right' rules, Russia has "the brute force" necessary to protect its interests.

"Those states that supported Pristina find that they are making up an absolute minority. That means that today the European Union, if its members find common ground, and NATO, if it oversteps the bounds of its mandate, both will enter a conflict with the United Nations. And this is serious," he said.

With the authority of the United Nations undermined, there is no strict and universal international law to safeguard global security, the Russian official believes.

"This is not only between Russia and NATO.This is a conflict of the whole system of international security. This is not a diplomatic, but a political issue. An issue of the future, about whether there are any proprieties in interstate relations or that one can follow the policy of 'he who has the power has the right," he said.

In this new world Russia has to rely on force to protect itself, Rogozin believes.

"Then it has its own conclusions for Russia. We too would understand that we need brutal physical force to make sure we are respected, understood and that others acknowledge our right to our own point of view - and the name of that force is military force," he said.

Dmitry Rogozin was quick to qualify his words on the use of military force, saying it would only be used to protect direct national interests.

"Obviously, Russia will not take part in any kind of military operations in Kosovo, in the Balkans or outside its borders in general. Russia has enough political and moral authority to defend international law, and that's what it's doing. But when the issue touches its own national interests, its borders and attempts to repeat the Kosovo scenario on Russian territory, it will defend not only international law, but also its own sovereignty," Rogozin said.

http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/21258
 
michael savage

also had a caller very knowledgeable on the topic. they discussed not mineral wealth (which i am reading about right now) but oil pipelines. i know russia wanted to connect serbia and kosovo via gazprom pipeline as so forth. who knows, very ineteresting.

THE Financial Times has an <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/ddc257ec-de54-11dc-9de3-0000779fd2ac.html">interesting article on Kosovo</a>

His hope is that Kosovo can become an energy hub, exporting electricity produced by its lignite mines.

For the moment, Kosovo relies on Serbia for much of its power and water. Despite the political hostility from Serbia and Russia, Ramadani believes business interests will prevail in the long term. He is hopeful that NIS, Serbia’s former state-run oil refining group recently sold to Russia’s Gazprom at a knockdown price, will sell its products to Kosovo.

Gazprom could also help by routing its planned South Stream gas pipeline through Kosovo to Albania and across the Adriatic to Italy. “This is in the hands of Putin,” he says. If Serbia does close the taps then that will be the price of freedom. “People are willing to pay this price,” he tells Observer.
 
Shit and Fan are moving closer together.

The conflict won't escalate unless the present government in Serbia, which is led by pro-EU internationalists, is overthrown and the nationalists take over. That kind of coup occurred at the outset of WWII when the pro-German government signed a treaty with Germans to let them use roads and airspace. The nationalists and communists rioted, as they are doing now, then took the government and monarchy down, then fought Germans, Italians and mostly each other (communists vs nationalists, as well as different ethnic groups against each other). It's best to stay out of that mess.
 
The ethnic Albanians were revolting against the police/government in Kosovo, helped by Al-Queda and Osama Bin Laden. War is hell, and so are revolutions.

As for the facts, here's an opposing opinion on your propaganda regurgitation:

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Nice turn of your phrase, "for the facts, here's an opposing opinion' Nice way of contradicting yourself.

The whole timeline of events essentially predicted that at some point there would be further disintegration of that region. During that period, while the exaggerations were understandable, there were crimes comitted by the swerbs againt the Albanians. Whatever Al Queda was doing did not help much as most of the graves that were found were of women and kid from the muslim Albanian side.

This whole thing is a natural progression, and Serbia is rattling its sabre out of pride, and Russia is making noises to show it is a good partner. Still, Russia, even with Mad Vlad at the helm , would not be foolish enough to actually go to war for a puny neighbor that proved so costly in 1914.
 
I really like :eek position of my country nowadays, border with Serbia and ready to be pushed into NATO :frown
 
Pffff, they're saber rattling. Talking straight out of their asses.
 
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