BREAKING NEWS:Israeli ground forces enter Gaza in escalation

[raiha]

Building a great wall around Gaza ie a concentration camp is not an act of war - it is a crime against humanity. Occupying somebody else's territory is an act of war AND a crime against humanity. Depriving other human beings of the necessities of life is heading towards ethnic cleansing. And if it is left wing to challenge slaughter, oppression and rabid, craven arrogance, well dagnabit, I must be leftwing. (as must be all the other people on this forum who agree that what Israel is doing sucks!)

 

[orafi]

Israel broke the ceasefire, says Gush Shalom:

http://www.ww4report.com/node/6572
"The escalation towards war could and should have been avoided. It was the State of Israel which broke the truce, in the 'ticking tunnel' raid on the night of the US elections two months ago. Since then the army went on stoking the fires of escalation with calculated raids and killings, whenever the shooting of missiles on Israel decreased."

 

[RickyJ]

A couple of questions:

- Who runs Gaza? Hamas?
- Who has been firing rockets into Israel? Hamas? Random dummies? Is someone official taking credit?

What is the real story?

The real story? With Israel involved you can be sure you will never hear the REAL story. But even if Hamas is firing dumb rockets which 90% percent of the time hit nothing, and when then they do they cause mostly insignificant damage. And very rarely is anyone killed by them. They are little more than giant fireworks on steroids. They are nothing like the tanks and missiles that Israel is using on the basically defenseless Palestinians.

The more important story is what Israel is doing right now, not what Hamas might have done with their dumb rockets if it was even them.

 

[t0rnado]

The Mossad funded Hamas against the PLO so this could be considered blowback.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Palestine is defending it's life and property.

All other wrongs aside, what purpose does firing missiles into Israel serve? How is that good for the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip? If it's a tactic or strategy, it doesn't work.

It is random violence, no matter who is doing it. It just makes matters worse.

 

[orafi]

All other wrongs aside, what purpose does firing missiles into Israel serve? How is that good for the Palistinians in the Gaza Strip? If it's a tactic or strategy, it doesn't work.

It is random violence, no matter who is doing it. It just makes matters worse.

You should ask them why they throw stones and shoes, then.

 

[devil21]

Here comes the extermination phase. This is why Israel is defying Supreme Court orders to allow journalists into Gaza. Hey Israel! Are you going to set up some gas chambers?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

But even if Hamas is firing dumb rockets which 90% percent of the time hit nothing, and when then they do they cause mostly insignificant damage. And very rarely is anyone killed by them. They are little more than giant fireworks on steroids.

So why fire them in the first place?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

You should ask them why they throw stones and shoes, then.

Pretty limited range, but good point. Throwing things won't accomplish anything either.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Here comes the extermination phase.

Hopefully.

 

[jbuttell]

+1


Israel has no ground to stand on. They are the terrorists, first and foremost. Palestine is defending it's life and property. Always been that way. Gandhi was quite noble in using non-violence as a means to defeat an army, but humans have an inalienable right to defend their life and property.

This issue should be black and white, but instead it is grayed out by western controlled media.

I don't understand where you're coming from with this, along with the "Death to Israel" comment someone made earlier.

How do they not have ground to stand on if they're being attacked by individuals in Gaza? You're saying that Palestine (whatever collective entitity that happens to be...) is defending it's life and property - is that not what Israel is doing when Israelies are being killed by rockets from Gaza?

I'd love to know the real strategy behind Israel kicking out jews from Gaza a while back - did anyone really think it would be any different than this?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The real story? With Israel involved you can be sure you will never hear the REAL story.
...
The more important story is what Israel is doing right now, not what Hamas might have done with their dumb rockets if it was even them.

Of course, we never get the real/whole truth from the media.

Which is why I asked if the official Hamas government has openly taken credit for the rockets.

 

[SeanEdwards]

I'd love to know the real strategy behind Israel kicking out jews from Gaza a while back - did anyone really think it would be any different than this?

Yeah none of the apologists for hamas want to talk about the unilateral israeli withdrawal from Gaza, or the forced removal of israeli settlers by the IDF.

Well, the results of that little experiment in ending occupation of the goat-fuckers is now in. Now it's time for an experiment in ethnic cleansing.

 

[Agent CSL]

I don't understand where you're coming from with this, along with the "Death to Israel" comment someone made earlier.

How do they not have ground to stand on if they're being attacked by individuals in Gaza? You're saying that Palestine (whatever collective entitity that happens to be...) is defending it's life and property - is that not what Israel is doing when Israelies are being killed by rockets from Gaza?

I'd love to know the real strategy behind Israel kicking out jews from Gaza a while back - did anyone really think it would be any different than this?

This area has been in a war for thousands of years, why expect anything to change? Every group and sub-group believe they have the right to lay claim to this land, and have been disputing over it. Every hundred years this tug-of-war game would shift, and some other group would gain control over the "holy land."

With the aid of outside forces (UN, US and Britain) Israel became a recognized country and land was taken from Palestine to give to Israel. Israeli leaders have been bombarding Palestine since 1948, pushing them further and further out, and openly calling them a lesser form of human being.

Palestine, and no doubt the entire Arab world, is pissed off that international and (mostly) western influences feel they have the right to control the world and decide who gets what.

Palestine is merely trying to get back what they once had. They have seen their homes bulldozed as the Israeli boundaries grow and Palestine shrinks. Gaza is one of the most populated places on earth. They've been pushed into a corner, surrounded by enemies, disallowed to have basic medicines, food and water and seen their families murdered by Israel for the actions of a few people with nothing more than bottle rockets and machine guns.

Some people, on both sides, have done terrible wrongs. But a large majority have done nothing wrong but are still killed anyway. There is a double-standard that is being pushed by Israeli and American media that Israel has done nothing wrong and is only defending itself, and that Gazans are "terrorists."

Look at history and the numbers, facts, and decide.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Some people, on both sides, have done terrible wrongs. But a large majority have done nothing wrong but are still killed anyway.

The definition of war...

 

[Cowlesy]

The definition of war...

And our hands will have blood on them because we supply the guns/ammo/planes/missiles.

Too bad no one will listen to Michael Scheuer.

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." --- George Washington

 

[dannno]

All other wrongs aside, what purpose does firing missiles into Israel serve? How is that good for the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip? If it's a tactic or strategy, it doesn't work.

It is random violence, no matter who is doing it. It just makes matters worse.

I agree, I'm not big on violence either. But if they don't fight they will have the rest of their land taken by illegal settlements and they will have no resources to live or better themselves. I honestly can't suggest a better way to fight Israel, I would just hope they try not to kill innocent Israelis if possible. But no matter what Palestine or Palestinians do, it will never make what Israel has done right, and that is what the media attempts to do. They attempt to justify Israel's actions with Palestinians' behavior and that's just BS.

 

[Agent CSL]

The definition of war...

There's a difference between war, genocide, and extermination. Not a very big difference, but a difference nonetheless. War is deception.

 

[dannno]

I don't understand where you're coming from with this, along with the "Death to Israel" comment someone made earlier.

How do they not have ground to stand on if they're being attacked by individuals in Gaza? You're saying that Palestine (whatever collective entitity that happens to be...) is defending it's life and property - is that not what Israel is doing when Israelies are being killed by rockets from Gaza?

Israel has taken their land, put them in concentration camps and brutalizes them whenever they show the least bit of resistance. The Palestinians are just protecting their life and property.

I'd love to know the real strategy behind Israel kicking out jews from Gaza a while back - did anyone really think it would be any different than this?

Even without its troops or the 9,000 Jewish settlers in place, Israel retained a chokehold over the strip, controlling major land crossings into Israel, Gaza's airspace and the waters off its Mediterranean seacoast.

So Israel gave the Palestinians a giant brownie, and when they were almost done eating it they realized that Israel had cut off their milk supplies! (The One: feel free to replace or add to your sig )

A few days ago when we were arguing about this, Number19 explained that the violence kept occurring even after Israel gave them back some of their land, so I thought I would post that quote, from this article:


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/58812.html

What helped the rise of Hamas? U.S., Israel policies, turns out
By Warren P. Strobel | McClatchy Newspapers

The article also talks about how Israel funded Hamas to fight off the PLO, as another poster mentioned earlier.

 

[dannno]

^^^^

PWNED Buddy.

Yeah none of the apologists for hamas want to talk about the unilateral israeli withdrawal from Gaza, or the forced removal of israeli settlers by the IDF.

Well, the results of that little experiment in ending occupation of the goat-fuckers is now in. Now it's time for an experiment in ethnic cleansing.

What do you think makes you so attracted to BS propaganda? You are one of the most propagandized regulars on this entire board, so I'm just curious.