BREAKING NEWS: DC Handgun Ban Overturned!

Breaking We Got Screwed In Disguise!!!!!!!!!!

For the first time ever we have a Supreme Court ruling saying some restrictions on your 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms is ok as long as it is reasonable. They said this one was unreasonable but left it open for any other type of restriction, licensing, horrible rule to be reasonable. This was a very anti 2nd Amendment ruling. We are going to see many more gun regulations now.
 
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+1 point taken

Remove em all and get a few FULL constitutionalists in those offices.

I thinking more along the lines of abolishing the Supreme Court along with the whole government, but that is just wishful thinking on my part. Certainly all pro-liberty judges would be an improvement.
 
Breaking We Got Screwed In Disguise!!!!!!!!!!

For the first time ever we have a Supreme Court ruling saying some restrictions on your 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms is ok as long as it is reasonable. They said this one was unreasonable but left it open for any other type of restriction, licensing, horrible rule to be reasonable. This was a very anti 2nd Amendment ruling. We are going to see many more gun regulations now.

I agree. This is being heralded as a victory, when in fact the 2nd amendment is a right and not a privilege. The supreme court has no jurisdiction over that right. The DC gun ban was unconstitutional.
 
So I looked it up so I would have a clear understanding of jury nullification. I like it. It really does put power in the hands of the people, even though it can be misused. I supposed this is why judges do not want people to know about it.

Would many agree that in the case of OJ Simpson, jury nullification was practiced.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/nullification.html

What is jury nullification?

Jury nullification occurs when a jury returns a verdict of "Not Guilty" despite its belief that the defendant is guilty of the violation charged. The jury in effect nullifies a law that it believes is either immoral or wrongly applied to the defendant whose fate that are charged with deciding.
When has jury nullification been practiced?

The most famous nullification case is the 1735 trial of John Peter Zenger, charged with printing seditious libels of the Governor of the Colony of New York, William Cosby. Despite the fact that Zenger clearly printed the alleged libels, the only issue the court said the jury was open to decide as the truth or falsity of the statements was ruled to be irrelevant, the jury returned with a verdict of "Not Guilty."

Jury nullification appeared at other times in our history when the government has tried to enforce morally repugnant or unpopular laws. In the early 1800s, nullification was practiced in cases brought under the Alien and Sedition Act. In the mid 1800s, northern juries practiced nullification in prosecutions brought against individuals accused of harboring slaves in violation of the Fugitive Slave Laws. And in the Prohibition Era of the 1930s, many juries practiced nullification in prosecutions brought against individuals accused of violating alcohol control laws.

More recent examples of nullification might include acquittals of "mercy killers," including Dr. Jack Kevorkian, and minor drug offenders.

Do juries have the right to nullify?

Juries clearly have the power to nullify; whether they also have the right to nullify is another question. Once a jury returns a verdict of "Not Guilty," that verdict cannot be questioned by any court and the "double jeopardy" clause of the Constitution prohibits a retrial on the same charge.
Early in our history, judges often informed jurors of their nullification right. For example, our first Chief Justice, John Jay, told jurors: "You have a right to take upon yourselves to judge [both the facts and law]." In 1805, one of the charges against Justice Samuel Chase in his impeachment trial was that he wrongly prevented an attorney from arguing to a jury that the law should not be followed.

Judicial acceptance of nullification began to wane, however, in the late 1800s. In 1895, in United States v Sparf, the U. S. Supreme Court voted 7 to 2 to uphold the conviction in a case in which the trial judge refused the defense attorney's request to let the jury know of their nullification power.

Courts recently have been reluctant to encourage jury nullification, and in fact have taken several steps to prevent it. In most jurisdictions, judges instruct jurors that it is their duty to apply the law as it is given to them, whether they agree with the law or not. Only in a handful of states are jurors told that they have the power to judge both the facts and the law of the case. Most judges also will prohibit attorneys from using their closing arguments to directly appeal to jurors to nullify the law.
Recently, several courts have indicated that judges also have the right, when it is brought to their attention by other jurors, to remove (prior to a verdict, of course) from juries any juror who makes clear his or her intention to vote to nullify the law.

If jurors have the power to nullify, shouldn't they be told so?

That's a good question. As it stands now, jurors must learn of their power to nullify from extra-legal sources such as televised legal dramas, novels, or articles about juries that they might have come across. Some juries will understand that they do have the power to nullify, while other juries may be misled by judges into thinking that they must apply the law exactly as it is given. Many commentators have suggested that it is unfair to have a defendant's fate depend upon whether he is lucky enough to have a jury that knows it has the power to nullify.

Judges have worried that informing jurors of their power to nullify will lead to jury anarchy, with jurors following their own sympathies. They suggest that informing of the power to nullify will increase the number of hung juries. Some judges also have pointed out that jury nullification has had both positive and negative applications--the negative applications including some notorious cases in which all-white southern juries in the 1950s and 1960s refused to convict white supremacists for killing blacks or civil rights workers despite overwhelming evidence of their guilt. Finally, some judges have argued that informing jurors of their power to nullify places too much weight on their shoulders--that is easier on jurors to simply decide facts, not the complex issues that may be presented in decisions about the morality or appropriateness of laws.

On the other hand, jury nullification provides an important mechanism for feedback. Jurors sometimes use nullification to send messages to prosecutors about misplaced enforcement priorities or what they see as harassing or abusive prosecutions. Jury nullification prevents our criminal justice system from becoming too rigid--it provides some play in the joints for justice, if jurors use their power wisely.
 
Damn it! I was hoping the Supreme Court would find (erroneously) that the 2nd Amendment did NOT give the individual the right to bear arms. If the Supreme Court has ruled otherwise, the state of Montana would likely have been forced to secede from the US. I want secession so badly that I can taste it, because it is the only LIKELY avenue left for lovers of freedom without blood flowing in the streets. As it is, now the status quo will continue and guns will continue to be registered, etc.
 
Damn it! I was hoping the Supreme Court would find (erroneously) that the 2nd Amendment did NOT give the individual the right to bear arms. If the Supreme Court has ruled otherwise, the state of Montana would likely have been forced to secede from the US. I want secession so badly that I can taste it, because it is the only LIKELY avenue left for lovers of freedom without blood flowing in the streets. As it is, now the status quo will continue and guns will continue to be registered, etc.

due to a d.c. ruling? how?
 
Page 67/150 of court opinion PDF
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-2901.pdf

"We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this
country, and we take seriously the concerns raised by the
many amici who believe that prohibition of handgun
ownership is a solution. The Constitution leaves the
District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that
problem, including some measures regulating handguns,
see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26. But the enshrinement of
constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy
choices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition
of handguns held and used for self-defense in the
home. Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment
is outmoded in a society where our standing army is
the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces
provide personal security, and where gun violence is a
serious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what is
not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to
pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.

We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals.
It is so ordered."
 
Don't be fooled by this ruling.

Do you see the ATF disbanding? Do you see the police state receding? Do you see the Rule of Law, the Constitution, returning?

Instead SCOTUS locked into the "self defense and hunting thing" - the arguement of the bought out Judas Goat known as the NRA.

2A was for fighting tyranny, nothing else.


And the SCOTUS left a lot in there for regulation. It was a non-ruling. All of this is designed to dissapate and fool the ONE group that can restore freedom, the gun owners. How many will think all is well from this point, while the state prepares for martial law and subjugation that hangs on the next big excuse?


Remember what Patrick Henry said:

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort.
 
why would the atf disband over a d.c. ruling? We do understand this wasn't the savior for the nation bud. lol.... It is however a STEP.... A good one... not sure just yet however it can still be used to allow handgun ownership where it wasn't allowed and that to me is in the right direction.

It is something to work with.

Don't be fooled by this ruling.

Do you see the ATF disbanding? Do you see the police state receding? Do you see the Rule of Law, the Constitution, returning?
Remember what Patrick Henry said:
 
Don't be fooled by this ruling.

Do you see the ATF disbanding? Do you see the police state receding? Do you see the Rule of Law, the Constitution, returning?

Instead SCOTUS locked into the "self defense and hunting thing" - the argument of the bought out Judas Goat known as the NRA.

2A was for fighting tyranny, nothing else.


And the SCOTUS left a lot in there for regulation. It was a non-ruling. All of this is designed to dissipate and fool the ONE group that can restore freedom, the gun owners. How many will think all is well from this point, while the state prepares for martial law and subjugation that hangs on the next big excuse?


Remember what Patrick Henry said:

Isn't it UNUSUAL, that every Bill of Right ARTICLE that provide Liberty for the Individual OVER government is constantly contested and ruled against?

Yet the ARTICLES that favor Government and their control NEVER SEEM to be overruled.

HOW does the U.S Government take control and RID the CONSTITUTION of the rights of the INDIVIDUALS? Systematically, come up with justifications, though ONLY EFFECT .0001% of the American population, to RULE in FAVOR of GOVERNMENT and Special Interest!

The U.S. CONSTITUTION was put in place to PROTEST the CITIZENS from GOVERNMENT... systematically, GOVERNMENT has been chipping away at each article.

It's shocking that the Supreme Court ruled 5-4... it should be a slam dunk 9-0!
 
Typo?

Examining the words of the Amendment, the Court concluded “we find they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weaons in case of confrontation” — in other words, for self-defense.
 
the roberts court extended habeas corpus to gitmo... yet now allows D.C to have handguns.
habeas corpus is an issue that seperates out mccain from obama merrily and happily ~~~ its tres red/blue

curiously enough barack obama was happy this february when the ban was solidly in place! i thought he liked
the idea that it was in place, and now its not...he's happy its not {i sense a flipflop?} --- so my point being... well...
anyway... i guess john mccain and barack obama actually are on the same page... for once! tis less of a gap or gulf...?

methinks given the wide and broad press corp speculation about one or two supreme court venerable seats opening up
for the next POTUS... many mass media talking head pundits are surprised these supreme court cases have had
less airplay. patrick buchanan on this weeks mclaughlin group even repeated on air the soap box, ballot box,
jury box and ammo box quip in matt collins's sig. the mix of this current court is uniquely delicate...
 
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Page 67/150 of court opinion PDF
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-2901.pdf

"We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this
country, and we take seriously the concerns raised by the
many amici who believe that prohibition of handgun
ownership is a solution. The Constitution leaves the
District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that
problem, including some measures regulating handguns,
see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26. But the enshrinement of
constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy
choices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition
of handguns held and used for self-defense in the
home. Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment
is outmoded in a society where our standing army is
the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces
provide personal security, and where gun violence is a
serious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what is
not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to
pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.
We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals.
It is so ordered."
No, their JOB is to reinforce the 2nd.

Who hired these goobers, for life? How much are they getting paid, for life?

"Preserve, protect,defend", ring any bells, at all? :rolleyes:

"The system is corrupt, beyond redemption, and is not worthy of my support!"
 
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