Boycott filing taxes in 2009!

[tonesforjonesbones]

What if a significant number of Americans boycotted filing income tax in 2009? Could I get trouble for saying this? Well..I'm just wondering..that's all. Tones

 

[muzzled dogg]

smh @ this would work but people have too much invested in the ride

 

[Zippyjuan]

As long as you are willing to accept the possible consequences you are free to try it.
What would be your hoped for outcome? Not having enough revenue has not stopped Congress from spending more.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

It would have to be a very large group effort. tones (eyeroll)

 

[Trance Dance Master]

I will be, as I have been every year since 1998.

 

[Danke]

What if a significant number of Americans boycotted filing income tax in 2009? Could I get trouble for saying this? Well..I'm just wondering..that's all. Tones

Most people have informational statements filed on them, like W-2s, 1099, K-1s. So that would not be wise. And if you had withholdings, they would get to keep your money.

If your work is not governmentally connected, you need to file to get it returned.

 

[luke-gr]

What would be your hoped for outcome? Not having enough revenue has not stopped Congress from spending more.

Yeah, but at least they would not have MY money.

Most people have informational statements filed on them, like W-2s, 1099, K-1s. So that would not be wise. And if you had withholdings, they would get to keep your money.

If your work is not governmentally connected, you need to file to get it returned.

I am self employed (real estate agent), so no witholding and I really want to pull the plug on those jerks so bad....

 

[Danke]

I am self employed (real estate agent), so no witholding and I really want to pull the plug on those jerks so bad....

I'm guessing 1099s are filed on you. If so, you should file to dispute any incorrect information. Otherwise those 1099 statements will stand and the IRS will use that (mis)information against you.


For a better understanding of this process and how non-filing can be used against you, I recommend this book as a start:

http://www.losthorizons.com/Cracking_the_Code.htm

 

[angelatc]

What if a significant number of Americans boycotted filing income tax in 2009? Could I get trouble for saying this? Well..I'm just wondering..that's all. Tones

If you owe money, there are significant penalties for not filing. If they owe you, there are no penalties.

But, I can tell what happened in our instance...we didn't file because we were busy but I knew that we were owed so I didn't think it mattered. So, we got a letter from the IRS showing that according to their calculations we owed them $60,000. (Which was $3,000 plus penalties, fines and interest.) The letter said that if we didn't pay it or submit a form within 30 days they'd start collecting it.

Now, the IRS just doesn't ding your credit report. They'll clean out your bank account, your 401k, your retirement accounts, and then come after your wages.

Needless to say, that kicked my butt in motion. The reason that their number was so high is that they don't give you any deductions, except for the personal deduction. So the kids weren't included, nor was the purchase price of the house we sold, nor the buy prices of security trades.

 

[cheapseats]

If you owe money, there are significant penalties for not filing. If they owe you, there are no penalties.

But, I can tell what happened in our instance...we didn't file because we were busy but I knew that we were owed so I didn't think it mattered. So, we got a letter from the IRS showing that according to their calculations we owed them $60,000. (Which was $3,000 plus penalties, fines and interest.) The letter said that if we didn't pay it or submit a form within 30 days they'd start collecting it.

Now, the IRS just doesn't ding your credit report. They'll clean out your bank account, your 401k, your retirement accounts, and then come after your wages.

Needless to say, that kicked my butt in motion. The reason that their number was so high is that they don't give you any deductions, except for the personal deduction. So the kids weren't included, nor was the purchase price of the house we sold, nor the buy prices of security trades.

I am also advised that, even if I mean not to pay, and I DO mean not to pay, I will do myself a "favor" by paying the $300 it will cost me to file my 2008 taxes, for which I filed an extension in April. This advice is, of course, coming from the accountant to whom I will pay $300. Nevertheless, apprised as he is of my request for Redress Of Grievances, he says I will be glad to have avoided the penalty-portion of the Dissent.

I will include a letter explaining that I myself literally need in real time the money that my government is UNMISTAKABLY in the habit of throwing out the window, that I have formally requested a Redress of Grievances from Congress, and that I seek what I call 'Chapter Eleven And A Half' protection from international courts and my own countrymen. Life is too short and circumstances are too dire to waste time filling out and filing forms, so that the government can turn around and, at hefty administrative expense, dole back to me that which it confiscated. It is insane, zero-value-added paper pushing.

I have thus far done much more for my government than my government has ever done for me. Moreover, I have done nothing to hurt the government, whereas the government has done a number of things to either hurt me directly or to facilitate someone else hurting me.

Someone has some 'splaining to do.

 

[gray527]

I have thus far done much more for my government than my government has ever done for me. Moreover, I have done nothing to hurt the government, whereas the government has done a number of things to either hurt me directly or to facilitate someone else hurting me.

Your not supposed to ask what your government could do for you. You should ask the government if there is anything else you can do for it.

 

[Cowlesy]

Sorry, but most people would be receiving refunds from the IRS---at least if you work for an employer who abides by the law and you don't lie about your withholdings.

When I started out of college I was doing about $50k a year and getting a nice refund.

 

[cheapseats]

Your not supposed to ask what your government could do for you. You should ask the government if there is anything else you can do for it.

More creative accounting.

I contend the balance sheet should more or less balance, not less and less balance.

 

[cheapseats]

Sorry, but most people would be receiving refunds from the IRS---at least if you work for an employer who abides by the law and you don't lie about your withholdings.

This would mean that most people are OVERPAYING taxes that are already too high. The aggregate of those refunds is a very large sum.

Americans are oddly cooperative about letting their Uncle, who is little known for wisdom or prudence, have use of that money all year.

 

[jclay2]

Don't you guys no, there allready is a large movement for not paying income taxes. All you have to do is to not make any money and boom, no taxes. It is really scary when you look at the stats for who actually pays taxes. When I last looked, 53% of Americans contriubute like 3% of the total income tax revenue.

 

[fj45lvr]

I don't have any personal experience with this (and I don't have any tax liability due to a business that loses money)....but this site has a very interested way to deal with the IRS worth looking into:

http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Instructions/0.5CommercialLaw.htm

 

[SevenEyedJeff]

I worked hard and saved a lot in the '90s. But I have become so disgusted with the government, I have now been working only part-time for 2 years and put just enough money into my 401k so I don't have to pay any federal income tax (by using the savers credit). Plus I transferred savings to PMs instead of having it in a bank account (where what little interest you get you pay tax every year). My income is now low enough to receive money from the earned income credit too.

I just cannot support these traitors anymore. But it is nice to have extra time to enjoy life and relax a bit more.