Bombshell: FEMA Camps Confirmed

[dannno]

Also the House Committee on assassinations came to the conclusion that Kennedy's death was the work of a conspiracy. You picking the one official report that agrees with the more "comforting" position over the more objective report doesn't really mean anything.

Yes, audio evidence clearly showed a second gunman and the commission proved this.

 

[jmdrake]

For everyone who wants to keep his head in the sand and believe that all conspiracies are fake:

Obama calling the North American Union a "conspiracy theory" and denying that the CFR has a private membership.

YouTube - Barack Obama CAUGHT LYING about NAU & CFR ties (2 angles)

Dick Cheney talking about keeping his membership in the CFR a secret.

YouTube - Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR talks to David Rockefeller

Ron Paul talking about the North American Union and the CFR.

YouTube - Ron Paul talks about the North American Union

And before any ostriches try to rebut by saying "The North American Union and the CFR are different from FEMA camps or 9/11 or Oswald", let me point out that FEMA is different from 9/11 which is different from Oswald and all of that is different from aliens at Roswell. Almost everybody is a "conspiracy theorist" of some form or fashion. The real question is what actual evidence is there to back up the claim. (For instance, the evidence that Oswald did not act alone is now overwhelming considering the other assassination attempt.) If people can get past emotional reactions against things they'd rather not believe and quit jumping into "ridicule" mode then it would be possible to have fruitful discussions on even controversial topics.

 

[oyarde]

Yes, audio evidence clearly showed a second gunman and the commission proved this.

I have put on this board the names of those involved .

 

[jmdrake]

Conspiracy Theory never proves anything- they can't. Instead they use inuendo and things taken out of context to imply things. It is entertainment. Yes, FEMA has plans to try to deal with disasters- that is their job. Is there a plan (and resources) to round up millions of people to inter them in camps? To what end? Do they (or the government) have the resources to round up all the people in the United States (or even ten percent of them) and the physical space to put and feed them? Are these camps big enough and have enough security (walls, barbed wire fencing) to keep people in? The entire US prison system has about 2.3 million people in it. Where are they going to put 20 million or 300 million?

You're using a straw man argument. (But that's typical). Where did anyone ever claim that everybody would be in the camps? Stalin had camps in the Soviet Union. He didn't need to put everybody in there. He just needed to put enough dissenters in camps to convince other people to get in line. As for the existence of Federal Emergency Management Agency camps, to prove that all you need to do is to actually read the bill. It authorizes setting up the darn things. Now what will they actually be used for? That certainly is cause for speculation. But only a fool would think they didn't exist.

Please see: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

 

[free1]

Jesse Ventura’s Conspiracy Theory Proves FEMA Camps Exist for American Citizens in New Episode that Airs Friday, Nov. 12 10 PM EST / 9 PM CST Only on TruTV

This powerful episode is the largest and most in-depth investigation into FEMA camps ever aired on television. Radio host and filmmaker Alex Jones returns to the series yet again, as the team takes you to confirmed on-the-ground facilities, confronts the legislators who authorized FEMA camps and breaks down the full-scale technologically-integrated police state that includes Fusion Centers, FEMA, the Department of Homeland Security and more.

At one of many real and verified FEMA locations, Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones approach a “Residential Center” run by Homeland Security in central Texas where they find locked doors, double-fences and escape warnings around the entire perimeter. Further inside the facility, they witness a playground complex, swings and slides for children. The crew walks up to the front door and attempts to get some answers. But the officials refuse to either confirm or deny the facility’s purpose, including whether or not American citizens are being held inside. However, our past investigations into this facility reveal that it has confined both children and adults, including immigrants, refugee seekers and American citizens.

http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-fema-camps-confirmed/

YouTube - Bombshell: FEMA Camps Confirmed

Thanks, and here's a bump!

 

[pcosmar]

LOL

People still believe in Magic Bullets.

how intellectually incompetent is that ?

 

[oyarde]

LOL

People still believe in Magic Bullets.

how intellectually incompetent is that ?

Not if they look at it closely for themselves they will not .

 

[jmhudak17]

Are there any legitimate peer-reviewed papers in respected scientific journals saying that there were two gunmen?
Here's a good site debunking JFK conspiracy theories: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

 

[jmdrake]

Are there any legitimate peer-reviewed papers in respected scientific journals saying that there were two gunmen?
Here's a good site debunking JFK conspiracy theories: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Any legitimate peer-reviewed papers in respected scientific journals saying there weren't?

Two serious questions:

1) Why do you believe a handpicked presidential commission by someone who is suspected by some of being involved over the House committee? Ok, you don't trust congress. But you trust the president?

2) Did you read the link I posted about the second assassination attempt? Do you think that was just "made up"?

Ok, I guess that's three questions.

Edit: Something else your "debunking" site does not cover.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1918.shtml

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

We're smart people can we at least co-opt the co-opting of conspiracy theorists by changing the vocabulary...

Collaboration Theories

 

[pcosmar]

Are there any legitimate peer-reviewed papers
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No one but the seriously ignorant believes the official story.
I haven't since 1978 when I watched the footage of the event.

Absolutely NO One with any ballistic knowledge believes that shit.

 

[jmhudak17]

I haven't seen any papers that have said anything either way. I was asking that because I was wondering, not because I was trying to disprove you. But you need strong evidence to overturn something that is seen as established fact.
1. I don't trust either the President or Congress to be totally truthful. I make my own decisions based on what I see are facts.
2. I need more than one guy saying something in a book to believe something that there was a massive conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have to be skeptical of not just government, but also of everyone else. What might be his reasoning for saying this? To sell books? Is this guy crazy or sane? You have to take everything into account.

 

[Billay]

Looks like the batshit crazy wing of the Liberty movement has taken over this board.

 

[jmdrake]

I haven't seen any papers that have said anything either way. I was asking that because I was wondering, not because I was trying to disprove you. But you need strong evidence to overturn something that is seen as established fact.
1. I don't trust either the President or Congress to be totally truthful. I make my own decisions based on what I see are facts.
2. I need more than one guy saying something in a book to believe something that there was a massive conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have to be skeptical of not just government, but also of everyone else. What might be his reasoning for saying this? To sell books? Is this guy crazy or sane? You have to take everything into account.

Here's the problem with your argument. Using your own standard nothing with regard to the Kennedy assassination has been established as fact! If you give both commissions equal weight and they have come up with opposite conclusions then there is no fact on the record that needs to be "overturned".

Anyway, back to the OP. I've posted a link to the law to establish FEMA camps. Is that "fact" enough for you?

 

[pcosmar]

Well, aside from the DERAIL into the Kennedy assassination, and back to the issue of Camps.

Do you deniers reject the facts concerning Rex 84?

overview from Wiki, for quick reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

Do you also deny the related executive orders? orders that have been expanded on by later administrations.
Do you also deny the KBR contracts to refurbish those camps?

Just wondering how much denial is involved here.

 

[jmhudak17]

Again, I don't care totally care about what the committees say, I care about what the scientific evidence says. I'll get back on topic though. I was under the impression that H.R. 645 had not passed. Has it?

 

[jmhudak17]

Well, aside from the DERAIL into the Kennedy assassination, and back to the issue of Camps.

Do you deniers reject the facts concerning Rex 84?

overview from Wiki, for quick reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

Do you also deny the related executive orders? orders that have been expanded on by later administrations.
Do you also deny the KBR contracts to refurbish those camps?

Just wondering how much denial is involved here.

I obviously don't deny the existence of any executive orders or the plan for Rex 84. I have no reason to deny it.

 

[jmhudak17]

I'm just saying that what many people think are "FEMA concentration camps" are actually not. There's a difference between healthy skepticism and rampant paranoia.

 

[Zippyjuan]

You're using a straw man argument. (But that's typical). Where did anyone ever claim that everybody would be in the camps? Stalin had camps in the Soviet Union. He didn't need to put everybody in there. He just needed to put enough dissenters in camps to convince other people to get in line. As for the existence of Federal Emergency Management Agency camps, to prove that all you need to do is to actually read the bill. It authorizes setting up the darn things. Now what will they actually be used for? That certainly is cause for speculation. But only a fool would think they didn't exist.

Please see: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

Anyway, back to the OP. I've posted a link to the law to establish FEMA camps. Is that "fact" enough for you?

Thank you for the link. I note that this is a proposed bill- not a law- and was refered to committee in February 2009 with no further actions taken on it since that time.

Status: Introduced Jan 22, 2009

This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Jul 1, 2010 6:24AM]

Last Action: Feb 6, 2009: House Armed Services: Referred to the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Unconventional Threats and Capabilities.

Related: See the Related Legislation page for other bills related to this one and a list of subject terms that have been applied to this bill. Sometimes the text of one bill or resolution is incorporated into another, and in those cases the original bill or resolution, as it would appear here, would seem to be abandoned.

The list of related bills and their status:

The list below shows legislation in this and previous sessions of Congress that had the same title as this bill. Often bills are incorporated into other omnibus bills, and you may be able to track the status of provisions of this bill by looking for an omnibus bill below. Note that bills may have multiple titles.

111th Congress: S. 3476Introduced
110th Congress: H.R. 1796Dead
109th Congress: H.R. 4112Dead

Looks like it continues to go nowhere- so nope, not a law.

 

[Zap!]

9/11 wasn't done by the government, Oswald did act alone, and I highly doubt there are FEMA concentration camps (although I will watch the video in this thread and see if it changes my opinion in a bit).

EDIT: The short video in the thread didn't give any proof, but it looks interesting. I'll probably watch the real show to see if there's actually any real proof.

I won't get into 9/11, but how can you possibly say Oswald acted alone? You certain about that?