Bombshell: FEMA Camps Confirmed

[Zippyjuan]

Conspiracy Theory never proves anything- they can't. Instead they use inuendo and things taken out of context to imply things. It is entertainment. Yes, FEMA has plans to try to deal with disasters- that is their job. Is there a plan (and resources) to round up millions of people to inter them in camps? To what end? Do they (or the government) have the resources to round up all the people in the United States (or even ten percent of them) and the physical space to put and feed them? Are these camps big enough and have enough security (walls, barbed wire fencing) to keep people in? The entire US prison system has about 2.3 million people in it. Where are they going to put 20 million or 300 million?

 

[EndDaFed]

Conspiracy Theory never proves anything- they can't. Instead they use inuendo and things taken out of context to imply things. It is entertainment. Yes, FEMA has plans to try to deal with disasters- that is their job. Is there a plan (and resources) to round up millions of people to inter them in camps? To what end? Do they (or the government) have the resources to round up all the people in the United States (or even ten percent of them) and the physical space to put and feed them? Are these camps big enough and have enough security (walls, barbed wire fencing) to keep people in? The entire US prison system has about 2.3 million people in it. Where are they going to put 20 million or 300 million?

You need a place to put them before you can sort them and eliminate the waste.

 

[oyarde]

9/11 wasn't done by the government, Oswald did act alone, and I highly doubt there are FEMA concentration camps (although I will watch the video in this thread and see if it changes my opinion in a bit).

EDIT: The short video in the thread didn't give any proof, but it looks interesting. I'll probably watch the real show to see if there's actually any real proof.

Oswald act alone ? Nope.

 

[oyarde]

Conspiracy Theory never proves anything- they can't. Instead they use inuendo and things taken out of context to imply things. It is entertainment. Yes, FEMA has plans to try to deal with disasters- that is their job. Is there a plan (and resources) to round up millions of people to inter them in camps? To what end? Do they (or the government) have the resources to round up all the people in the United States (or even ten percent of them) and the physical space to put and feed them? Are these camps big enough and have enough security (walls, barbed wire fencing) to keep people in? The entire US prison system has about 2.3 million people in it. Where are they going to put 20 million or 300 million?

You think the commies are worried about feeding you ?

 

[ericsnow]

Alex Jones sure knows how to pimp. That was basically a promo for an upcoming show. He must take his audience for fools.

Now he has David Icke on his show. He must have figured out fast that you don't alienate a large section of the conspiracy crowd if you want to make mega bank.

That first video is from like 10 years ago. Alex didn't even know David Icke then. He now knows David Icke personally. AJ still thinks Icke has some wild beliefs but he knows Icke is the real deal and he agrees with him almost 100% on everything besides the reptilian stuff and the moon spaceship theory stuff (which actually has a lot of science to back it up).

 

[MyLibertyStuff]

From 1,355 architects and engineers for 9/11 truth - http://www.ae911truth.org/en/home.html

BTW 1,355 is A LOT considering they have nothing to gain by coming out for 9/11 truth and everything to lose.

As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:
1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction
4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
8. 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
9. Isolated explosive ejections 20 – 40 stories below demolition front
10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”

WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
1. Rapid onset of "collapse"
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction
3.Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration
4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
6. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
7. Fore-knowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY

In the the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendary devices was discovered:
8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses
10. Chemical signature of thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed".

As you can see from the picture below WTC 7 was two city blocks away from the twin towers. Little debris fell on it and the buildings to its left and right DID NOT collapse. Even WTC 4 and 5 which were much closer to the twin towers did not collapse.

Even if ALL the debris from the twin towers collapsed on WTC 7 it would not collapse at free speed (as shown below on left, the right is a standard controlled demolition).

Hundreds of people including many firefighters, police officers, and news reporters heard and saw bombs going off in the buildings. Here are a few of hundreds of those eyewitness testimonies below.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony

YouTube - Firemen Explosion Testimony
YouTube - NIST Explosions
YouTube - Audible Explosion at South Tower Collapse

In this video top chemical engineer Mark Basile discusses how he found thermite in the World Trade Center dust using the scientific method.

YouTube - 9/11: EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY EXCLUSIVE Mark Basile Chemical Engineer.m4v

The official story said WTC building 7 collapsed because of fire. This building in Bejing did not collapse despite being totally engulfed in flames.
\YouTube - CCTV/TVCC fire in Beijing (HD version) 北京央视大楼着火 - close-up of fire explosion

Meanwhile building 7 with small isolated fires collapsed at free fall speed, defying the laws of physics.
YouTube - CBS - Rare footage of north side of WTC7 on fire

As engineer Jeff Becker so bravely said in a West Virginia senatorial debate last month... "The only way for the official story to make sense is if the laws of physics had changed on that day".
YouTube - W.Virginia Candidate Jeff Becker Questions WTC 7 Collapse in Senate Debate on C-SPAN


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/n...07&en=a2c62eb2b42cf30c&ex=1385874000&adxnnl=1


http://www.prisonplanet.com/agency_...t_around_a_plane_crashing_into_a_building.htm

There was a planned drill that day so there would be confusion and Dick Cheney could give NORAD the orders to stand down with no repercussions.
YouTube - Dick Cheney Gave Stand Down Orders on 9/11

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, Anwar Al-Awlaki was #3 in Al Qaeda at the time of the 9/11 attacks. Interestingly enough Anwar Al-Awlaki had dinner at the Pentagon months after 9/11 with top members of the military.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/

And here are the official documents proving it - http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/awlaki.pdf

And the CIA has admitted to making fake Bin Laden videos...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html

Still believe the official story?

Owned.

 

[pcosmar]

Hasn't this myth already been debunked ?

No

and some of us have known of them for some time (since the 80s.)

They are clear and documented in the Executive orders signed into law by R. Reagan.

The denial has been debunked.

 

[VegasPatriot]

Stewart Rhodes will be in this episode. June Sarpong was in Vegas this summer for the interview and I was at the airport hanger during filming.

I have watched all the episodes of season 1 & 2 and it always cracks me up at the expression of shock that June gives in various times when something big is exposed. During Stewart's interview she gave the same look...

I had to leave the filming area I was laughing so hard on the inside. This should be a good episode.

 

[Zippyjuan]

No

and some of us have known of them for some time (since the 80s.)

They are clear and documented in the Executive orders signed into law by R. Reagan.

The denial has been debunked.

This is the FEMA portion of the Reagan Executive Order (#12656):

PART 17-Federal Emergency Management Agency

Sec. 1701. Lead Responsibilifies.

In addition to the applicable responsibilities covered in Parts 1 and 2, the Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency shall:

(1) Coordinate and support the initiation, development, and implementation of national security emergency preparedness programs and plans among Federal departments and agencies;

(2) Coordinate the development and implementation of plans for the operation and continuity of essential domestic emergency functions of the Federal Government during national security emergencies;

(3) Coordinate the development of plans, in cooperation with the Secretary of Defense, for mutual civil-military support during national security emergencies;

(4) Guide and assist State and local governments and private sector organizations in achieving preparedness for national security emergencies, including development of plans and procedures for assuring continuity of government, and support planning for prompt and coordinated Federal assistance to States and localities in responding to national security emergencies;

(5) Provide the President a periodic assessment of Federal, State, and local capabilities to respond to national security emergencies;

(6) Coordinate the implementation of policies and programs for efficient mobilization of Federal, State, local, and private sector resources in response to national security emergencies;

(7) Develop and coordinate with all appropriate agencies civil defense programs to enhance Federal, State, local, and private sector capabilities for national security emergency crisis management, population protection, and recovery in the event of an attack on the United States;

(8) Develop and support public information, education and training programs to assist Federal, State, and local government and private sector entities in planning for and implementing national security emergency preparedness programs;

(9) Coordinate among the heads of Federal, State, and local agencies the planning, conduct, and evaluation of national security emergency exercises;

(10) With the assistance of the heads of other appropriate Federal departments and agencies, develop and maintain capabilities to assess actual attacks damage and residual recovery capabilities as well as capabilities to estimate the effects of potential attacks on the Nation;

(11) Provide guidance to the heads of Federal departments and agencies on the appropriate use of defense production authorities, including resource claimancy, in order to improve the capability of industry and infrastructure systems to meet national securitv emergency needs;

(12) Assist the Secretary of State in coordinating the formulation and implementation of United States policy for NATO and other allied civil emergency planning, including the provision of:

(a) advice and assistance to the departments and agencies in alliance civil emergency planning matters;

(b) support to the United States Mission to NATO in the conduct of day-to-day civil emergency planning activities; and

(c) support facilities for NATO Civil Wartime Agencies in cooperation with the Departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Energy, State, and Transportation.

Sec. 1702. Support Responsibilities.

The Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency shall:

(1) Support the heads of other Federal departments and agencies in preparing plans and programs to discharge their national security emergency preparedness responsibilities, including, but not limited to, such programs as mobilizatian preparedness, continuity of government planning, and continuance of industry and infrastructure functions essential to national security;

(2) Support the Secretary of Energy, the Secretary of Defense, and the Members of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in developing plans and capabilities for identifying, analyzing, mitigating, and responding to emergencies related to nuclear weapons, materials, and devices, including mobile and fixed nuclear facilities, by providing, inter alia, off-site coordination;

(3) Support the Administrator of General Services in efforts to promote a government-wide program with respect to Federal buildings and installations to minimize the effects of attack and establish shelter management organizations.

Which "clear and documented" section was it which established FEMA camps?

 

[pcosmar]

This is the FEMA portion of the Reagan Executive Order (#12656):


Which "clear and documented" section was it which established FEMA camps?

No. The ones dealing with the "Continuity of Government" as well as the establishment of the Rex 84 programs.
Among them,
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

And that ain't all of them.

 

[jmhudak17]

Back to the original video, you guys do realize that the "coffin facility" he is talking about is actually an office of Vantage Products, a private company?

 

[pcosmar]

Back to the original video, you guys do realize that the "coffin facility" he is talking about is actually an office of Vantage Products, a private company?

Yup, with long and interesting ties to the Government.

Some other private Corporations (all defense contractors)

Monsanto Corporation
Dow Chemical
Honeywell Inc.
Boeing
Hughes
Northrop Grumman
United Technologies
Health Net

Etc,etc, etc,,,, (the list goes on,,and on)

 

[jmhudak17]

Just because it may have some ties to the government doesn't mean they're part of a massive conspiracy. This is starting to get ridiculous. They make grave liners that protect the casket and stop the ground from collapsing onto the coffin.

 

[Zippyjuan]

For some reason, FEMA camp talk makes me think of Tommy's Holiday Camp from The Who.

YouTube - tommy's holiday camp (tommy movie)
YouTube - We're Not Gonna Take It - The Who

 

[Zippyjuan]

Just because it may have some ties to the government doesn't mean they're part of a massive conspiracy. This is starting to get ridiculous. They make grave liners that protect the casket and stop the ground from collapsing onto the coffin.

But I thought everything was a government conspiracy?

 

[jmhudak17]

Obviously. Aliens who were hired by the government that hang out at Area 51 did 9/11.

 

[pcosmar]

 

[Zippyjuan]

Isn't that a river in Egypt? Though you spelled it wrong.

 

[moostraks]

Back to the original video, you guys do realize that the "coffin facility" he is talking about is actually an office of Vantage Products, a private company?

Since you brought this up, have you looked any further into the issue to see the parent company is Indel,Inc. http://www.indelinc.com/INDEL_WEB/INDELDTG.shtml

A bit more folksy information here: http://www.answers.com/topic/indel-inc

Its an interesting array of companies with quite a presence in their respective fields globally...

 

[jmdrake]

9/11 wasn't done by the government, Oswald did act alone, and I highly doubt there are FEMA concentration camps (although I will watch the video in this thread and see if it changes my opinion in a bit).

EDIT: The short video in the thread didn't give any proof, but it looks interesting. I'll probably watch the real show to see if there's actually any real proof.

Only someone really uninformed would still think Oswald acted alone. History now shows that a second assassination plot against Kennedy was broken up in Chicago several weeks before Dallas.

See: http://www.chicagodefender.com/arti...ed-to-a-president-speaks-out-in-new-book.html

Also the House Committee on assassinations came to the conclusion that Kennedy's death was the work of a conspiracy. You picking the one official report that agrees with the more "comforting" position over the more objective report doesn't really mean anything.