Boeing’s 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers

[Anti Federalist]

Another one crashed...never saw a peep about it in any news anywhere...

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Another one crashed...never saw a peep about it in any news anywhere...
...

I heard about it when it happened, but saw that it was not a 737 MAX at the time. Never heard any updates. Maybe the Chinese Ministry of Truth is making sure that no misinformation comes out.

 

[Matt4Liberty]

Another one crashed...never saw a peep about it in any news anywhere...

That wasn't a MAX, and it did actually get quite a bit of media attention

 

[paleocon1]

Turns out the root cause of the crashes was inexperienced pilots.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Turns out the root cause of the crashes was inexperienced pilots.

 

[acptulsa]

https://twitter.com/grandoldmemes/status/1767350872437068298

 

[TheTexan]

The coders from HCL were typically designing to specifications set by Boeing. Still, “it was controversial because it was far less efficient than Boeing engineers just writing the code,” Rabin said. Frequently, he recalled, “it took many rounds going back and forth because the code was not done correctly.”

This is how it goes any time coding is outsourced to India. Consulting companies sell large outsourcing projects by painting a rosy picture of a skilled affordable workforce, but the reality is that it always runs over budget cus it's a scam to begin with

 

[acptulsa]

 

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1767283041708487116


Note: This is old video from 2014.

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[sparebulb]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1767283041708487116


Note: This is old video from 2014.

I am utterly uninterested in flying or riding in a 787.

The 787 is a flying piece of woke and globalism.

The fly by wire thinking of Airbus was an offense to sanity, but for some reason, there hasn't been a full-blown smoking hole attributed to a complete failure. There have been MANY close calls.

Boeing was doing just fine without following Airbus's lead. There have been hull losses of 777's due to glitches.

The MCAS debacle in the 737 Max is a direct result of Boeing's eagerness to slip in a loophole in certification to kiss the as$ of their largest, least ethical customer, Southwest.

Boeing of yesteryear would have never compromised to this extent for any customer.

Let's just see if all of Boeings favors will be rebuffed by Southwest shopping for different airframes if the brand suffers more. Southwest is big enough that the "one airframe" concept is not as important as it used to be.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I am utterly uninterested in flying or riding in a 787.

The 787 is a flying piece of woke and globalism.

The fly by wire thinking of Airbus was an offense to sanity, but for some reason, there hasn't been a full-blown smoking hole attributed to a complete failure. There have been MANY close calls.

Boeing was doing just fine without following Airbus's lead. There have been hull losses of 777's due to glitches.

The MCAS debacle in the 737 Max is a direct result of Boeing's eagerness to slip in a loophole in certification to kiss the as$ of their largest, least ethical customer, Southwest.

Boeing of yesteryear would have never compromised to this extent for any customer.

Let's just see if all of Boeings favors will be rebuffed by Southwest shopping for different airframes if the brand suffers more. Southwest is big enough that the "one airframe" concept is not as important as it used to be.

And why do we have no US manufacturers of mid range aircraft like Embraer?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Let's face it, they are engineering these aircraft to fly pilotless.

Hell, they have it so pre programmed and idiot proof now that you could train a well behaved monkey to do it.

That's why DEI in the cockpit has not turned into DIE on a wholesale basis.

There will be no humans in the cockpit very shortly, and whatever harm to "biologicals" that does occur after total automation, will be small enough to be written off as collateral loss.

 

[sparebulb]

And why do we have no US manufacturers of mid range aircraft like Embraer?

Firstly, Boeing had a failed deal to partner with Embraer to buy their way into the midsize jet market after snubbing their noses at the McD 717 program.

Airbus did buy into Canadair and the A-220 is poised to be a great worldwide success.

I think that the airlines and pilot union creeps really screwed the pooch by thinking that they were too good to fly smaller jets and permanently screwing the regionals on pilot pay and refusing to hire from their ranks over preserving senior captain pay and military/DEI preferential hiring. The mainline pilot unions always agree to scope clauses that make for a permanent underclass in the regional airlines.......even when some of the regional airlines are wholly owned by the mainline.

Note: Don't think for one moment that hiring military pilots is anything less than DEI hiring, considering the piss-poor pilot skill and experience that they represent.

 

[sparebulb]

Let's face it, they are engineering these aircraft to fly pilotless.

Hell, they have it so pre programmed and idiot proof now that you could train a well behaved monkey to do it.

That's why DEI in the cockpit has not turned into DIE on a wholesale basis.

There will be no humans in the cockpit very shortly, and whatever harm to "biologicals" that does occur after total automation, will be small enough to be written off as collateral loss.

Absolutely correct.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[fisharmor]

Turns out the root cause of the crashes was inexperienced pilots.

I ran into this idea a few weeks ago.

The narrative is this:

Boeing installed faulty sensors that would trigger the plane to start diving.
Boeing installed faulty control software that would disallow the pilots from manually correcting when the plane entered a dive.
Overseas airlines didn't train their pilots on how to disable the system that didn't exist on other planes.
Therefore the airlines are at fault and this was pilot error. QED.

And people are buying that argument.

 

[fisharmor]

And what will the consequences be for the management that made that decision? How much money has their ignorance and incompetence cost Boeing?

I don't know if you work for a publicly traded company but this is the way it goes.
Executives aren't generally paying attention to things like quality, employee happiness or retention, or even fitness of purpose.
I just left my employer of 23 years recently and one of the reasons why is because I was told point blank 'we don't want to offer great support to our customers - we want to give them good support'. And I had at least a decade of listening to executive townhalls where the overarching goal was 1) share price and 2) profitability (which is basically the same thing).

This is as much an artifact of the corporate model as anything else. It's very tempting for a corporation to realign its interests to those two points above all others - and they have rings to put in the employees' noses to pull them along. You don't have to be working long for a big corporation before you start getting stock options and profit sharing dangled in front of you.

It's pitched as a way to improve quality and buy-in, but it does the opposite. Most people go along with it because money. But there are still a critical mass of people who aren't motivated by money as much as they're motivated by quality. I guarantee you all that someone at Boeing knew exactly what was going on prior to the first crash. That person may even have tried to bring attention to it. And it's likely some middle manager had a discussion with a VP and they decided the best way forward was to issue a bulletin in 8 point type buried in some other corporate messaging saying 'oh by the way make sure your pilots know that occasionally they'll need to disable this system manually'. Or, maybe Fight Club style, they just ran the numbers and figured out that doing something about it was more expensive than the fallout from not doing something about it, and they didn't.

Managers are trained to think this way. Either that or they only allow sociopaths at higher levels. They have ways of not only not listening, but letting you know in no uncertain terms that if you bring it up you're losing your job. In some corporations, this is the only thing besides Weinstein-style sexual harassment that will get you dismissed.

The main point, that was already brought up, is that whatever happened, it was years ago, and involved people who are no longer engaged. But you can rest assured, the people now in charge are analyzing the situation to the best of their ability without the input of people who are afraid of getting fired, and they'll make the objectively correct decision on how to proceed that will protect the share price to the greatest extent possible. That's what they were hired to do.

 

[unknown]

You boys talking about the whistleblower who just "killed himself"?

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/FischerKing64/status/1768750379242807425