Bob Barr internal poll shows substantial lead in Congressional race

[compromise]

He was just butthurt that Ron didn't endorse him in 2008.

Gingrich was probably the least bad out of all the candidates aside from Ron Paul.

IMO

Paul >>>>>> Johnson > Bachmann > Perry > Gingrich > Cain (Fed insider, would otherwise be higher) > Romney > Huntsman (RINO, would be further up if it wasn't for NHLiberty4Paul) > Santorum (called Perry and Bachmann isolationists in the Reagan library debate and is one of the few candidates who has never complimented Ron)

 

[Debbie Downer]

IMO

Paul >>>>>> Johnson > Bachmann > Perry > Gingrich > Cain (Fed insider, would otherwise be higher) > Romney > Huntsman (RINO, would be further up if it wasn't for NHLiberty4Paul) > Santorum (called Perry and Bachmann isolationists in the Reagan library debate and is one of the few candidates who has never complimented Ron)

I'd go Paul > Goode > Gingrich/Perry > Bachmann > Cain > Huntsman > Romney > Santorum

Johnson isn't even worth mentioning.

 

[compromise]

I'd go Paul > Goode > Gingrich/Perry > Bachmann > Cain > Huntsman > Romney > Santorum

Johnson isn't even worth mentioning.

Goode didn't run in the GOP primaries, so I didn't count him.

Gary is good on civil liberties, has a fiscally conservative record as Governor and is mostly there on foreign policy, that's why I put him after Paul. I strongly oppose his pro-choice and anti-10th amendment policies, but he's definitely better than most of the other candidates overall. I don't really like him as a person though, out of the candidates he came off as the most creepy and weird, especially when he started wearing those peace sign T shirts. I also really don't like his whiny attitude right now about his kind of liberal-libertarian not having a voice. If he wants to be in the national debate, he should run for Senate. However, whenever he's asked to run for Senate, he just looks down upon patriots like Rand and Cruz and accuses them of not being real libertarians and says he's too libertarian to be a Senator as he'd have to bring home the bacon if he did. That snooty talk really puts me off him.

Bachmann has a much better record as Congressman than Perry does as Governor, hence why I ranked her higher. Perry's forced vaccine thing disqualified him majorly in my view, despite his strong positions on monetary policy.

 

[Christian Liberty]

IMO

Paul >>>>>> Johnson > Bachmann > Perry > Gingrich > Cain (Fed insider, would otherwise be higher) > Romney > Huntsman (RINO, would be further up if it wasn't for NHLiberty4Paul) > Santorum (called Perry and Bachmann isolationists in the Reagan library debate and is one of the few candidates who has never complimented Ron)

I'd rate Huntsman higher than Romney. IIRC he was actually more fiscally conservative than Romney, he was just less combative about it. I remember him supporting much lower taxes than Romney ever did. I agree with putting Bachmann above any of the other mainstream candidates, if nothing else she's read Mises or at least claims she has, but I think Johnson has more on her than you think. I admit I don't really like him personally either, I'm not even sure I could vote for him anymore depending on what "Humanitarian Intervention" entails, and I hate that he didn't ask the interviewer if he was on freaking crystal meth when he claimed Johnson was more libertarian than RON PAUL but overall, Johnson probably actually is an 80%er, or at least close (Even ancap Walter Block graded him as a 65), while everyone else on the list flat out sucks to varying degrees.

Santorum MAY have said something positive about Ron if you count "I'd vote for him over Obama" as "Postive." He also has told someone to vote for Ron Paul before when he was questioned about a difficult vote. Newt said he would never vote for Ron, even against Obama.

I'd go Paul > Goode > Gingrich/Perry > Bachmann > Cain > Huntsman > Romney > Santorum

Johnson isn't even worth mentioning.

Goode didn't run in the GOP primaries, so I didn't count him.

Gary is good on civil liberties, has a fiscally conservative record as Governor and is mostly there on foreign policy, that's why I put him after Paul. I strongly oppose his pro-choice and anti-10th amendment policies, but he's definitely better than most of the other candidates overall. I don't really like him as a person though, out of the candidates he came off as the most creepy and weird, especially when he started wearing those peace sign T shirts. I also really don't like his whiny attitude right now about his kind of liberal-libertarian not having a voice. If he wants to be in the national debate, he should run for Senate. However, whenever he's asked to run for Senate, he just looks down upon patriots like Rand and Cruz and accuses them of not being real libertarians and says he's too libertarian to be a Senator as he'd have to bring home the bacon if he did. That snooty talk really puts me off him.

Bachmann has a much better record as Congressman than Perry does as Governor, hence why I ranked her higher. Perry's forced vaccine thing disqualified him majorly in my view, despite his strong positions on monetary policy.

Wasn't Gingrich a moderate candidate? I may be wrong, but I remember Beck and Limbaugh lambasting him as a progressive on their shows.

 

[supermario21]

FF, curious as to where you found that WB grading scale? I'd love to read it if possible. My primary order was Paul>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cain>Bachmann>Perry>Johnson>Romney>Huntsman>Gingrich FYI

 

[sailingaway]

IMO

Paul >>>>>> Johnson > Bachmann > Perry > Gingrich > Cain (Fed insider, would otherwise be higher) > Romney > Huntsman (RINO, would be further up if it wasn't for NHLiberty4Paul) > Santorum (called Perry and Bachmann isolationists in the Reagan library debate and is one of the few candidates who has never complimented Ron)

You can do better than that on Santorum, he was whip for the Bush senate, voted for NCLB, Medicare Part D, every war in sight, would have voted for TARP in a heartbeat - the consummate 'team player', and the people were never the team he was referring to.

 

[amy31416]

Is his penis too small to get him the porn star job that his mustache is interviewing for?

(Seriously, most of these politicians need to get a real fucking job. Pun noted and intended.)

 

[Christian Liberty]

FF, curious as to where you found that WB grading scale? I'd love to read it if possible. My primary order was Paul>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cain>Bachmann>Perry>Johnson>Romney>Huntsman>Gingrich FYI

http://lewrockwell.com/block/block187.html

#24.

I don't think that's the only place Walter mentions it, but that was the first I found. Walter never rated ALL the candidates though. Why any libertarian would seriously care about any candidate in the GOP primary that year other than Paul and Johnson I can't imagne.

How can you say Bachmann or Perry was better than Gary Johnson? Granted, I'm not thrilled with Johnson at all, I would have voted for him in 2012 but I'm not sure if I would anymore. I don't want anyone to confuse what Johnson supports with actual libertarianism. That said, he's a LOT closer than Bachmann, Perry, or Cain. I can't for the life of me understand why you'd put them at that level.

I'd probably go Paul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (For the sake of brevity I'll end it here, I feel like I could add a hundred more) (I really doubt I need a REASON here) Gary Johnson >>>>>>>>> (Nobody who wants to cut 43% of the budget is all THAT bad, plus much less hawkish than the others, wants to legalize marijuana, admittedly bad on abortion) Bachmann (Above the others since she's read Mises) > Perry (Sucks on foreign policy but is actually passable on the economy, hates the FED, hates entitlements, and has flirted with secession as gov.) > Huntsman (Seems a little less hawkish than the others, and as I understand is actually fiscally conservative [By the standards of the neo-con GOP, in any case] just not rhetorically provocative) >Cain (I don't really like Federal Reserve people, and from what I remember he really wasn't that conservative > Romney (A flip flopping liberal, but maybe not as warlike as Gingrich or Santorum) > Santorum (Its really hard to decide between Gingrich or Santorum for "Worst", I'm picking Santorum as slightly above Gingrich because, bad as Santorum is, at least he said he'd vote for RP over Obama, Gingrich did not) > Newt Gingrich (Wants to start freaking WWIII, crazy neo-con nuthead.)

 

[Christian Liberty]

BTW: The only people I'd ever vote for on that list are Ron Paul (Any day, any time) and Gary Johnson (Depending on the day and how bad his opponents were.) The only way I'd ever vote for any of the others is if I literally had the deciding vote.

 

[Kotin]

Is his penis too small to get him the porn star job that his mustache is interviewing for?

(Seriously, most of these politicians need to get a real fucking job. Pun noted and intended.)

/thread

 

[compromise]

I'd rate Huntsman higher than Romney. IIRC he was actually more fiscally conservative than Romney, he was just less combative about it. I remember him supporting much lower taxes than Romney ever did. I agree with putting Bachmann above any of the other mainstream candidates, if nothing else she's read Mises or at least claims she has, but I think Johnson has more on her than you think. I admit I don't really like him personally either, I'm not even sure I could vote for him anymore depending on what "Humanitarian Intervention" entails, and I hate that he didn't ask the interviewer if he was on freaking crystal meth when he claimed Johnson was more libertarian than RON PAUL but overall, Johnson probably actually is an 80%er, or at least close (Even ancap Walter Block graded him as a 65), while everyone else on the list flat out sucks to varying degrees.

Santorum MAY have said something positive about Ron if you count "I'd vote for him over Obama" as "Postive." He also has told someone to vote for Ron Paul before when he was questioned about a difficult vote. Newt said he would never vote for Ron, even against Obama.

Newt also said Ron would go down in history for exposing the Fed. Santorum on the other hand, was the only candidate who opposed an audit of the Fed.

Gingrich was definitely a sleaze though. On a personal level, he's far worse than Santorum.

Huntsman was the only candidate who did not pledge not to increase taxes if elected president.

 

[supermario21]

http://lewrockwell.com/block/block187.html

#24.

I don't think that's the only place Walter mentions it, but that was the first I found. Walter never rated ALL the candidates though. Why any libertarian would seriously care about any candidate in the GOP primary that year other than Paul and Johnson I can't imagne.

How can you say Bachmann or Perry was better than Gary Johnson? Granted, I'm not thrilled with Johnson at all, I would have voted for him in 2012 but I'm not sure if I would anymore. I don't want anyone to confuse what Johnson supports with actual libertarianism. That said, he's a LOT closer than Bachmann, Perry, or Cain. I can't for the life of me understand why you'd put them at that level.

I'd probably go Paul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (For the sake of brevity I'll end it here, I feel like I could add a hundred more) (I really doubt I need a REASON here) Gary Johnson >>>>>>>>> (Nobody who wants to cut 43% of the budget is all THAT bad, plus much less hawkish than the others, wants to legalize marijuana, admittedly bad on abortion) Bachmann (Above the others since she's read Mises) > Perry (Sucks on foreign policy but is actually passable on the economy, hates the FED, hates entitlements, and has flirted with secession as gov.) > Huntsman (Seems a little less hawkish than the others, and as I understand is actually fiscally conservative [By the standards of the neo-con GOP, in any case] just not rhetorically provocative) >Cain (I don't really like Federal Reserve people, and from what I remember he really wasn't that conservative > Romney (A flip flopping liberal, but maybe not as warlike as Gingrich or Santorum) > Santorum (Its really hard to decide between Gingrich or Santorum for "Worst", I'm picking Santorum as slightly above Gingrich because, bad as Santorum is, at least he said he'd vote for RP over Obama, Gingrich did not) > Newt Gingrich (Wants to start freaking WWIII, crazy neo-con nuthead.)

I think it was just a few debate clips I saw. Johnson wasn't given much attention and he didn't really do a good job promoting liberty, as he was more interested in talking about abortion and his anti-10th amenment agenda. Also those rankings were at the time of primary season, so they evolved as I learned about Gary. Thanks for the link BTW, I'm going through and reading Block's primary election season essays now LOL. BTW, if Johnson is a 65, I'd probably put Cruz at about a 55-60, Lee at a 65 or so, and Rand at say 70-75...

 

[compromise]

I think it was just a few debate clips I saw. Johnson wasn't given much attention and he didn't really do a good job promoting liberty, as he was more interested in talking about abortion and his anti-10th amenment agenda. Also those rankings were at the time of primary season, so they evolved as I learned about Gary. Thanks for the link BTW, I'm going through and reading Block's primary election season essays now LOL. BTW, if Johnson is a 65, I'd probably put Cruz at about a 55-60, Lee at a 65 or so, and Rand at say 70-75...

On economics and the Constitution, Lee and Cruz are far ahead of Johnson. Lee's 2013 voting record has been better than Rand's.

 

[supermario21]

Lee's voting record is only better than Rand because Rand voted for Jack Lew. I think Lee is better than Johnson myself, I was just doing a bit of Walter Block gauging.

 

[supermario21]

BTW Walter Block would support Rand Paul.


http://lewrockwell.com/block/block212.html

 

[Debbie Downer]

Rand and Lee are about 95-97
Cruz so far has been 85-90

Gary Johnson is about a 45. 25 if you include personality.

 

[compromise]

Lee's voting record is only better than Rand because Rand voted for Jack Lew. I think Lee is better than Johnson myself, I was just doing a bit of Walter Block gauging.

There was a gun vote too: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00098