Blowback from Recount = End of Us!!

[Ron2Win]

No truer words have been said.

But you have to beat the system from within. You can't become fringe when you are just becoming mainstream.

 

[McDermit]

Look around you, have you ever seen a car with a Ron Paul bumper sticker?[/SIZE]

Yes.

In fact, Monday afternoon, I had taken my mom to an appointment, and then we went out hanging signs. After a while, we took a break and stopped at the car wash since it was the first nice day in ages. We pulled into the line, and I started flipping out when I saw an RP bumper sticker on the car in front of us. He had a disabled veteran license plate, so I knew it wasn't anyone from our meetups. It was the first sticker I've seen on a car who's driver I didn't already know.

There were another 3 cars in front of him yet, so we put it in park and my mom hopped out and walked up to his window, while pointing at her shirt and smiling. He saw the big RP logo on her shirt and started laughing and rolled down the window. They talked for a few minutes while I gathered some RP pens, slim jims, liberty cards, stickers, and other goodies and put them into a bag for him. When I went over and handed them to him, you should have seen his face. He said that he liked RP, but that his wife was a huge supporter and would be thrilled to get the stuff. We explained that there are local meetup groups, etc. and he asked for our contact info so they could get involved. He added that they'll do what they can, but that "it's really up to you young people."

And we converted the car wash owner while we were at it! He noticed the guy's sticker, then saw the back and sides of our car all decked out and asked about RP. (It's an automatic wash, but he manually soaps and cleans the tires, mirrors, and bumper. He talks to EVERYONE who goes through.) He took a stack of lit, some pens, and a huge stack of bumper stickers, and said he'd make sure they go out to people who will use them.

Made my day.

 

[NoMoreApathy]

But you have to beat the system from within. You can't become fringe when you are just becoming mainstream.

We're not mainstream, we'll NEVER be considered mainstream.

We're always going to be the fringe campaign. Rather than have us finish high and have to report us as something other than fringe, we've been screwed out of votes that would have made that happen.

The last possible thing that will ever happen is for us to be considered mainstream. Once the media reports us as relevent, all bets are off, and we could have a placing like McCain just had.

It's all about what people hear out of that stupid ass fucking TV.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

Look around you, have you ever seen a car with a Ron Paul bumper sticker?

The only yard signs and bumper stickers I ever see are for Ron Paul. Wait! I did see an Obama sticker once. Admittedly, at this stage of the game, such things are a better indicator of enthusiasm than broad support. It does tell me, though, that few other candidates inspire any real enthusiasm.

 

[bleizucker]

Remember the Ghandi quote.
You just arrived at the point "than they atack you", last point bevore "and than you'll win"
be shure, mutch other unfaire things will happen without a chance to put them into right.
You the people did a great job. Keep on working on it. You the people started the second american r3VOLution. Even with or without Ron Paul, if YOU THE PEOPLE really got angry, you are nonstopable at all.

 

[Ron2Win]

We're not mainstream, we'll NEVER be considered mainstream.

We're always going to be the fringe campaign. Rather than have us finish high and have to report us as something other than fringe, we've been screwed out of votes that would have made that happen.

The last possible thing that will ever happen is for us to be considered mainstream. Once the media reports us as relevent, all bets are off, and we could have a placing like McCain just had.

It's all about what people hear out of that stupid ass fucking TV.

Because they portrait us as fringe. Yet our values are more mainstream than any of them.

 

[j6p]

eh, yes you can do it independtly

 

[PAULinSC]

If there is no recount for NH, what happens if there is evidence of voter fraud in Michigan? At what point do you think it's worth it to do a recount?

 

[Spike]

You're being an alarmist for that title.

Vote fraud = End of us.

We have to act. If not, then we have to get rid of our revolution slogan, because that word implies that we mean business

 

[j6p]

From what i heard they are assigning affidavids with the voters in sutton.

 

[Ron2Win]

If there is no recount for NH, what happens if there is evidence of voter fraud in Michigan? At what point do you think it's worth it to do a recount?

We don't, we get our neighbor to listen to Ron Paul. We sweep the freaking country with Ron Paul.

Pockets of supporters and those pockets will grow into town, ciites, states. There are more of us than more of them.

 

[Sam_Adams]

If there is no recount for NH, what happens if there is evidence of voter fraud in Michigan? At what point do you think it's worth it to do a recount?

That's a good question, because Ron Paul is the only candidate that has the ability, in my opinion, to run as a 3rd party. I say the General Election is the time to use the recount card, if there is evidence at that point in that election.

 

[Vox Populi]

Not sure how we could get blowback that would make us fringe. We are already considered fringe. We were gunning for 3rd in NH so that the media would stop making us out to be fringe. With a 5th place finish in NH, the media is now justified to call us fringe.

Something stinks to high heaven in NH!

 

[NoMoreApathy]

If there is no recount for NH, what happens if there is evidence of voter fraud in Michigan? At what point do you think it's worth it to do a recount?

I'm convinced that some here would NEVER want a recount. Some here would rather lose the nomination, as long as we don't get "made fun of" by the media.

Do you people really think the media is going to report on voter fraud? Certain things don't get reported, because it's better for them to ignore it, than to create any kind of national discussion and debate.

There was barely any coverage of the presidential recounts, and there will barely be any coverage of THIS, either.

It's one of those subjects the media would rather not touch.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

But you have to beat the system from within. You can't become fringe when you are just becoming mainstream.

I'm not sure. I'm beginning to think that the best way to beat the system is to operate outside of it, to defy all conventions, to make your own rules. Playing by the system's rules is beginning to seem like a sure recipe for failure.

Why are we begging for media attention and asking for permission? We need to bipass the media and create our own. We need to take our case directly to the people in daring, new, imaginative ways. The internet is great, but it isn't precisely measurable. It's difficult to varify who we're reaching, in any qualitative/quantitative way. The internet needs to be an appropriate part of the process, but shouldn't be mistaken for the process itself.

 

[redsrule2500]

agreed. get out there and make the difference is 10x more important.

I just wish I was in an earlier state to make a bigger difference!!!

Ron Paul 08

 

[nbhadja]

Stand here like pussies while the neocons rig the election?? Hell no!!

 

[LinearChaos]

If Paul doesn't demand a recount I'm done sending him thousands of dollars of my money, calling people for him, and freezing my ass off out in the cold for him.

I let the newsletter thing slide those months back when I first heard of it but if Paul just sits back and doesn't do anything, the same thing will keep happening because it will be a confirmation that voter fraud is too taboo a subject even for "principled" old Dr. Paul.

He's gotta help himself sometimes. If he doesn't take a stand against the confirmed "miscounted" and "human errors" that have popped up, he will be a chickenshit just like Gore and Kerry.

I bet Devvy Kidd is flipping out right about now, especially if she read all threads on here from the people playing apologist, claiming it "isn't a big deal", and saying we should ignore it.

 

[sharedvoice]

Sure there should be a recount, if the people of New Hampshire request one.
No, The official campaign should not pay 63K for a recount. That's absurd.

It should be free of charge after all the State made the mistake in the first place.

If anything we should get a 31% discount for the 31 Ron Paul votes that were unaccounted for in Sutton.

Either that, or we could go in 50/50 with the Obama people for a full state-wide recount, because in my view he also was cheated.

 

[jb4ronpaul]

if everyone demanding a recount had talked to hundreds of people in nh (I went for OLFD) you would realize the offline world is a lot different than the online world. In the average neighborhood supporters are few and far between. Most people make their decision based on MSM information. Be realistic, don't waste effort with recounts, focus on getting the word out and educating people IN THE REAL PHYSICAL WORLD. That is what we really need.