BJ Lawson Would Replace Income Tax with Carbon Tax?

[ronpaulhawaii]

Think dude. Government is inherently evil. BJ Lawson or even Ron Paul cannot steer the ship to make it a virtuous organization. RP is the most principled person within this evil organization, but when you start compromising like Lawson seems to be doing is when the message gets watered down and there is no point in playing politics to achieve liberty.

I notice you failed to answer my earlier questions. I, also, notice you seem to have sacrificed your principles by supporting RP even though he would vote for the fairtax as a step in the right direction.

Now, I would like to know which of BJ's principles you think BJ has compromised?

 

[matratzac]

You can trash me all you want, but you're not dealing with the issue at hand here, and that's the violent coercive system we have called government.

Tell me, when was the last time people voted and government shrank?

bro, it doesn't matter.

u have 2 choices.

Price = 20% good
Lawson = 98% good

Which one is it going to be? don't be one of those people that has to be right on everything. just because someone doesn't agree with everything that you think does not make that person inherently bad or "against liberty."

we know hes against the IRS. he can be for a carbon tax, so the fuk what, its a step in the right direction. Paul said the quickest way to make other energy come about is to make oil more expensive. Well, this is a way to do it. So stfu and vote for a good candidate instead of just complaining and whining like a little bitch because they don't agree with every single one of your stances on every single little issue. hes one of the good guys.

you don't vote for him, you get price. whoopdie doo thats SOOOO much better, right? ~sarcasm~

 

[matratzac]

reading this entire thread ive come to the conclusion that revolutionSD HAS to be a joke/troll/just trying to be annoying. no wonder people hated paul supporters. i mean, seriously

 

[matratzac]

bump this ridiculous thread

 

[InterestedParticipant]

if he said that crap I ought to ask for my donation back

Carbon tax = nonsense

This is a MAJOR red flag. Carbon tax is nothing more than a breathing tax, which allows government to control population growth and national economies through energy usage. It's evil, and if really said, would indicate that either Lawson doesn't understand the significance of the issue, or he is quietly shilling for global elites interests. Either way, one should re-evaluate their support of Lawson until he clarifies this position and why he is taking it.

 

[tremendoustie]

This is a MAJOR red flag. Carbon tax is nothing more than a breathing tax, which allows government to control population growth and national economies through energy usage. It's evil, and if really said, would indicate that either Lawson doesn't understand the significance of the issue, or he is quietly shilling for global elites interests. Either way, one should re-evaluate their support of Lawson until he clarifies this position and why he is taking it.

I think he's just saying he'd prefer a consumption tax vs. the income tax, if he had to choose one.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

This is a MAJOR red flag. ... he is quietly shilling for global elites interests. ...

Give me a friggin break. Some people scare me with their kneejerk reactions. I imagine you didn't read the thread, as his position has been clarified...

The idea of a carbon tax is debatable, trying to weaken his support over this is laughable, or worse...

 

[Truth Warrior]

Perhaps BJ's decision to back and support a carbon tax is merely a knee-jerk reaction, on his part. Maybe he just found a new solution to his campaign money woes.

 

[BenIsForRon]

It might be better if we let this thread die. On subjects like this, no matter how hard we try to have civilized discussions, loudmouthed ideologues always come on and hijack the thread. Seriously, RevolutionSD isn't even talking about the carbon tax half the time, just that "I'm not even voting, government is evil". Like I said, I understand your point, IT JUST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC!

I think most rational people see that a simple tax on nonrenewable energy production would be a better intermediate alternative to the income tax.

 

[Truth Warrior]

It might be better if we let this thread die. On subjects like this, no matter how hard we try to have civilized discussions, loudmouthed ideologues always come on and hijack the thread. Seriously, RevolutionSD isn't even talking about the carbon tax half the time, just that "I'm not even voting, government is evil". Like I said, I understand your point, IT JUST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC!

I think most rational people see that a simple tax on nonrenewable energy production would be a better intermediate alternative to the income tax.

I think that you are incorrect. Carbon tax = AGW = UN = NWO.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Perhaps BJ's decision to back and support a carbon tax is merely a knee-jerk reaction, on his part. Maybe he just found a new solution to his campaign money woes.

TW- your poison is usually much more subtle. Please show where BJ has stated be "backs and supports a carbon tax"? If you cannot I expect a true warrior would be man enough to admit he is wrong and offer an apology for insinuating that I am a tool. Also, please show where you get this "campaign money woes" poison. I find you to be a fool, and I expect you are a tool.

It might be better if we let this thread die. On subjects like this, no matter how hard we try to have civilized discussions, loudmouthed ideologues always come on and hijack the thread. Seriously, RevolutionSD isn't even talking about the carbon tax half the time, just that "I'm not even voting, government is evil". Like I said, I understand your point, IT JUST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC!

I think most rational people see that a simple tax on nonrenewable energy production would be a better intermediate alternative to the income tax.

Yes, it would be nice to see this thread die, but free speech is a wonderful thing and threads like this give me a greater insight into the rationality and mindsets of our membership.

I think that you are incorrect. Carbon tax = AGW = UN = NWO.

I know you are incorrect. Just because the NWO creeps have hijacked and corrupted the environmental movement is no reason to judge it all as part of a huge conspiracy. For certain the statement BJ made is being spun here. He mentioned exploring a non-renewable resource tax as a replacement for the income tax and you try to make it a great conspiracy

 

[matratzac]

BJ lawson for the win!!!!!!

 

[Truth Warrior]

TW- your poison is usually much more subtle. Please show where BJ has stated be "backs and supports a carbon tax"? If you cannot I expect a true warrior would be man enough to admit he is wrong and offer an apology for insinuating that I am a tool. Also, please show where you get this "campaign money woes" poison. I find you to be a fool, and I expect you are a tool. < emoticons removed per RPF limitations >

Is this thread bogus? Has he not suggested replacing the Income Tax with a Carbon Tax?

Perhaps you're only a dupe, not really quite up to tool caliber ranking. Ah the old personal insinuation bogus ploy again, eh?

I don't really take an idiot's findings any too seriously.

Then again, maybe I really am an LRC tool. Hmmm?

Oh, maybe it's just ALL of the RPF threads continually BEGGING for more campaign contributions for BJ, with dire warnings of the consequences if he doesn't get them. Do a RPF thread search.

If I am incorrect, I do apologize. May I expect an apology from you, if I'm right?


I know you are incorrect. Just because the NWO creeps have hijacked and corrupted the environmental movement is no reason to judge it all as part of a huge conspiracy. For certain the statement BJ made is being spun here. He mentioned exploring a non-renewable resource tax as a replacement for the income tax and you try to make it a great conspiracy

Have you finally found a way to prove a negative? Be the first.

What's your enlightened opinion of the UN's IPCC?

The first Earth Day was on Lenin's 100th birthday. Hint, hint. If it obviously weren't, I wouldn't. But it is.

What were Rachel Carson's politics?

Curt was better.<IMHO>

 

[fj45lvr]

if true then BJ lawson is an IDIOT.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

He suggested exploring a non-renewable resource tax. That is a far cry from your "backs and supports"insinuation. Try again.

Perhaps.



or worse...

Do your own homework. I look forward to seeing you produce these "begging" threads with "dire consequences". Otherwise you remain a loudmouth

But, of course

No, thanks

I trust nothing from the UN

Don't care...

 

[Mesogen]

I haven't read all 8 pages yet, but in case no one mentioned this yet:

Replacing the income tax and/or the payroll tax with a carbon tax is a policy proposal coming from none other than Al Gore.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/18/154846/236

For the last fourteen years, I have advocated the elimination of all payroll taxes -- including those for social security and unemployment compensation -- and the replacement of that revenue in the form of pollution taxes -- principally on CO2. The overall level of taxation would remain exactly the same. It would be, in other words, a revenue neutral tax swap. But, instead of discouraging businesses from hiring more employees, it would discourage business from producing more pollution.

 

[Truth Warrior]

If you want less of something, tax it. If you want more of something, don’t tax it. When you consider that simple rule, the foolishness of our federal income tax system is immediately apparent. If we want more income, jobs, and productivity, why do we tax income? Did you know that our country grew for over 120 years after its founding without a federal income tax?

Our income tax system is a disaster. Over 67,000 pages of IRS regulations are pure friction in our economy, and are the greatest threat to job creation and real economic growth. But before we can discuss eliminating the income tax, we must deal with government spending and entitlements that are spiraling out of control.

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to start a business, hire people, and create jobs if you didn't need to worry about taxation and withholding? As your Congressman, I will work to return the federal government to its Constitutional scope so we can eliminate the income tax.

So how small must our government be to eliminate the income tax? Let's try for a government that's small enough to fit inside the Constitution. In that case, we can eliminate the IRS and fund government's needs with excise and consumption taxes. In other words, tax consumption instead of income.

I've studied several consumption tax proposals, including a progressive consumption tax like the FairTax. One concern I have about the FairTax, however, is that we are facing unprecedented financial pressures today with stagnant wages and rising food and energy prices. How can we justify a national consumption tax that will provide a tax hike with every inflationary increase in your gas and grocery bill? Furthermore, is it wise to give the federal government taxing jurisdiction over every retail transaction? What about farmers bringing their crops to the local farmers' market? Taxing income is incredibly invasive. So, too, is taxing every retail transaction.

Another alternative I'm exploring that also addresses concerns for environmental and energy policy is a Carbon Tax. A simple Carbon Tax is preferable to the complicated game of "cap and trade" for carbon credits, and a Carbon Tax is justifiable regardless of your position on man-made global warming. Everyone agrees that we need to reduce our reliance on nonrenewable energy. While this is a discussion we're just beginning, it's important to look at all of these potential options.

Ultimately, though, I recognize that there is no substitute for reducing the size and expense of our federal government. Borrow and spend is no better than tax and spend. I will work to eliminate unconstitutional spending so we can transition to system of taxation that provides a more sustainable future.

http://www.lawsonforcongress.com/issues/taxation/

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

if true then BJ lawson is an IDIOT.

BJ is smart... if these politicians don;t do the demographics they lose.

What's in the district? UNC, NC State, DUKE, Wake Forest. You have 'Carpet Baggers in Apex, Cary, Fuquay Varina. You have a ton of EX-Silicon valley workers now at the east coast branches... Cisco Systems, INM, NetApp, EMC, yotta yotta.

It's all doing the DEMOGRAPHICS...

90% of this job is beating the incubent. David Price is the OLD SOUTH, GOOD OLE BOY crap. et in the door, then you can be a pillar of good.

Just do the opposite of what Dubya Bush did in 2000.

 

[DRV45N05]

Well, he did say "as a complete replacement of the Federal Income tax". Can't argue with that part.

But energy tax would still be regressive in nature...

I suggest you explore the idea more. A Carbon Tax is effectively a Pigovian Tax. It may or may not be regressive, as the cost of a negative externality may be effectively a regressive tax.

 

[matratzac]

i really, really cannot believe the crazy people in this thread.

i have lost all hope. i love ron paul but people were right - some of his supporters are crazy as shit.

bj, im cheering for you man. just be careful, keep your mouth shut because if you say 1 word that some of these crazies dont agree with they'll jump all over you and send you to hell as part of the NWO bilderburg group thats dead set on taking over the world