BJ Lawson Would Replace Income Tax with Carbon Tax?

[Knightskye]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3732181/

We should also explore a carbon tax on nonrenewable energy as a complete replacement for our federal income tax. We want more jobs, productivity, and income – so it doesn't make sense to tax jobs, productivity, and income.

What would that tax besides gas at the gas station?

And is that Constitutional?

 

[Jeremy]

He said that because it's Constitutional and he knows people are going to think he's too radical if he just says abolish the IRS. Of course we should look into all constitutional options to get rid of the IRS ASAP.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3732181/


What would that tax besides gas at the gas station?

And is that Constitutional?

Non-renewal would have to include natural gas, coal, and even nuclear...

Tax at the gas station would be (is) regressive, and one of the worse options. Just like food is not taxed, everyone needs it, but you only use so much of it. Plus targeted taxes is just more social/economic engineering, and that should not be the role of government. When Ron Paul talks about a tariff, he always specifies that it be small and across the board. No favoritism. No economic engineering.

 

[0zzy]

i heard him maybe say fair tax, but not carbon

 

[smithtg]

Non-renewal would have to include natural gas, coal, and even nuclear...

Tax at the gas station would be (is) regressive, and one of the worse options. Just like food is not taxed, everyone needs it, but you only use so much of it. Plus targeted taxes is just more social/economic engineering, and that should not be the role of government. When Ron Paul talks about a tariff, he always specifies that it be small and across the board. No favoritism. No economic engineering.

if he said that crap I ought to ask for my donation back

Carbon tax = nonsense

Hey that great steak you are eating is carbon too, you want to tax that? EVERYTHING ORGANIC HAS CARBON IN IT!

Im tired of the MSM using 'CARBON' to mean carbon dioxide. CO2 doesnt cause climate change anyway. The earth does

 

[Brian4Liberty]

if he said that crap I ought to ask for my donation back

Well, he did say "as a complete replacement of the Federal Income tax". Can't argue with that part.

But energy tax would still be regressive in nature...

 

[Menthol Patch]

There is only one option to get rid of the IRS and the income tax.

That is to abolish it and replace it with nothing.

Anyone who would replace the income tax with another tax is a fascist.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

There is only one option to get rid of the IRS and the income tax.

That is to abolish it and replace it with nothing.

Anyone who would replace the income tax with another tax is a fascist.

Is BJ Lawson a fascist Menthol?

 

[tondog4paul]

This is the only answer. Any other discussion is moot. IMO

http://losthorizons.com

 

[ChaosControl]

We should replace the income tax with casinos.

 

[matratzac]

There is only one option to get rid of the IRS and the income tax.

That is to abolish it and replace it with nothing.

Anyone who would replace the income tax with another tax is a fascist.

lol damn a little extreme, dont you think?

 

[BenIsForRon]

***Disclaimer: I don't know BJ's official reasons for wanting a carbon tax alternative to income tax, but this is why I think it's a good idea****

Let me start of by saying that oil is not something you "need" like food or shelter. We think we need oil because of it's widespread use in agriculture and transportation. The truth is, if you're willing to be open minded and read the link in my signature, is that we have most likely already passed peak world oil production. That means we need to change the way our economy operates, or many of us will starve. This is why a carbon tax would be a decent alternative to the income tax until we can reduce spending to sustainable levels. I know we still have a lot of coal, but it should also be taxed (under this scenario) as the mining and processing of the stuff is very harmful to the environment.

I'm pretty sure BJ is aware of peak oil as well, I'd have to ask the campaign to know for sure. But this would be a good intermediate step to shrink government and begin changing the fundamental base of our economy as well.

 

[Danke]

We should replace the income tax with casinos.

And lotteries.

 

[Knightskye]

***Disclaimer: I don't know BJ's official reasons for wanting a carbon tax alternative to income tax, but this is why I think it's a good ideass**

Let me start of by saying that oil is not something you "need" like food or shelter. We think we need oil because of it's widespread use in agriculture and transportation. The truth is, if you're willing to be open minded and read the link in my signature, is that we have most likely already passed peak world oil production. That means we need to change the way our economy operates, or many of us will starve. This is why a carbon tax would be a decent alternative to the income tax until we can reduce spending to sustainable levels. I know we still have a lot of coal, but it should also be taxed (under this scenario) as the mining and processing of the stuff is very harmful to the environment.

I'm pretty sure BJ is aware of peak oil as well, I'd have to ask the campaign to know for sure. But this would be a good intermediate step to shrink government and begin changing the fundamental base of our economy as well.

But you would be taxed if you got natural gas, nuclear power, or coal power. Wouldn't that raise someone's heating bill?

 

[ksuguy]

Well damn. I regret giving the son of a bitch money now. First he praises that commie Kucinich in that email he sent out a couple days ago, and now this.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Well damn. I regret giving the son of a bitch money now. First he praises that commie Kucinich in that email he sent out a couple days ago, and now this.

Lawson ain't no son of a bitch and Kucinich ain't no commie infiltrator.

And while I am just now looking at the particulars of this, I will say that change rarely comes in the blink of an eye. We are going to have to fund our gov't as we downsize. We may someday arrive at anarcho-capitalist dreamland, but till then ...

It actually seems a brilliant way to open the tax debate amongst his constituents and there would be many details to be explored. Benis makes some interesting points.

And some of you guys are rediculous ...

 

[qh4dotcom]

There is only one option to get rid of the IRS and the income tax.

That is to abolish it and replace it with nothing.

Anyone who would replace the income tax with another tax is a fascist.

What do you have to say about Chuck Baldwin's proposal to eliminate the income tax and replace it with a 10% tariff?

The founding fathers did collect tax revenue from tariffs.

 

[Danke]

It actually seems a brilliant way to open the tax debate amongst his constituents and there would be many details to be explored. Benis makes some interesting points.

If one studies the income tax, the irony is that that the beneficiaries of government privileges are what they (the people) petitioned for the tax. And rightfully so.

But it has been misinterpreted through time (most notably during and after WWII, national "emergency") that many mistakenly believe it applies to common labor receipts.

Just the opposite of the will of the people that were for it in the first place. Ironic. The elites have pulled a fast one on us. Similar to the creation of the Federal Reserve, if you know that history. Also, look up the supposedly break up of the "Trust." Another scam.

Give Lawson a copy of "Cracking the Code" Hopefully he will see that the income tax is not such a bad thing after all.

(edit: "You" as in the general audience, not addressed to Mike, I know he knows this stuff).

 

[BenIsForRon]

^---- Ben_is_for_Ron

But you would be taxed if you got natural gas, nuclear power, or coal power. Wouldn't that raise someone's heating bill?

Yes, but they wouldn't be paying income tax. The issues we're going have to deal with in the future are not very simple, and I just pray we can get off of fossil fuels before we have people starving or freezing.

If anybody has more detail on what BJ is talking about, I would like to see it. I think taxing energy at the source (mining, refining) would be better than a sales tax at the individual level. Also, I would tax natural gas and nuclear less than oil and coal, as the latter two are more economically/environmentally harmful. From a practical perspective I don't see a downside to taxing non-renewable energy instead of income.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Let me start of by saying that oil is not something you "need" like food or shelter.

Wow, you opened my eyes. I will stop driving tomorrow. It won't change anything. I'll just ride my bike or use that "public" transit that doesn't exist.

Does shelter include heat, or shall I turn that off too? (All sarcasm aside, I am as energy efficient as I can possibly be, and rarely use heat. But I do need the car, sorry).