Bitcoin going ballistic.

Why is equipment cost so important? Are you saying you can't make more than a few thousand dollars mining? How many can you mine in a day? What if your energy cost to mine is zero?

The hard cost for startup right now is either the highest end AMD cards or some specialized FPGA cards that don't mine as fast but use less power. Right around the corner are custom built chips for bitcoins. As far as I know 300 ASIC units have shipped from a chinese company with an unknown timeline of when the next limited run will hit. Butterfly labs, a US company, was to have their product by end of 2012 and still hasn't shipped. (Maybe by May, maybe not). So when the graphics cards are no longer worthwhile to use is anyone's guess. Personally I feel around May or June.

Your profit as a miner is based on the total amount of computational power. Right now the total bitcoin network is around the 60 trillion calculations a second. A single card will do upwards of 1000 Million calculations. Once the ASIC chips hit in volume the total network power will double or triple very fast and keep on climbing.

With all that said here is a calculator to help figure things out.

http://blockchained.com/profit/index.php

If you put in 1300 you'd need roughly 100 days to break even as is. That assumes the value says the same and difficulty stays the same. Difficulty has historically always climbed.

Now if electricity is free that reduces the cost drastically as a GPU is a power hungry device. If you already own a high end gaming machine then there's no reason not to put it to work.
 
haha. what are the chances. I talked to Charm also. As well as Peter, Janelle and someone whose name I couldn't make out (sounded like Stowie). I was kind of sad I didn't get the same person twice.

sux about Mt. Gox web platfrom, takes too long to send quotes and offers. I missed the dip I wanted to get. I need to go ahead and set up a desktop interface I supposed.

I wonder if I can sell it for a 10ths..
 
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My only order today. I did pay for one last night at 9:30 PST which would have been today EST (not sure if that has anything whatsoever to do with this). This whole system is pretty rough around the edges at this point.
 
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I hope everyone is prepared to lose money. Now that I have some BTC, I expect it to drop. My luck is THAT good.
 
I hope everyone is prepared to lose money. Now that I have some BTC, I expect it to drop. My luck is THAT good.

was thinking the same. ive jumped in and out a couple times, lost 50 cents to transaction fees... but that;s what i needed to gauge. seems there is an impasse right now. looking for the price to do a dosey doe to test support. Someone came in and sold off a bunch a bit a go.

I need it to drop down another 10-20 buck before i feel a good entry.
 
I agree about just getting in at this point without worry of anonymity. That's why I was trying to inquire about a faster completely online method where I could do it now without having to go to the bank, withdraw money, then go to the store and deal with that.

I'm looking for the way to use either paypal or debit or checking acct/routing number. Anyone that can point me to that method? It would be appreciated.


The magic is NOW.

Refer to first step in my 5 step method. Really no shame in following the mtgox - bitinstant - moneygram method. You needn't even buy the moneygram at the location you picked on the screen.

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https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Buying_bitcoins
 
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My only order today. I did pay for one last night at 9:30 PST which would have been today EST (not sure if that has anything whatsoever to do with this). This whole system is pretty rough around the edges at this point.

The services are definitely buggy and dealing with traffic they haven't invested in the capacity to handle yet. Its the magic in the air. Browser back arrow... try it again. Refresh... try it again. New account, try it again... Jump hoops and jiggle. Squeeky wheel gets oiled. Think of it like the super market before Christmas with a checkout line starting in the freezer section.
 
The magic is NOW.

Refer to first step in my 5 step method. Really no shame in following the mtgox - bitinstant - moneygram method. You needn't even buy the moneygram at the location you picked on the screen.

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https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Buying_bitcoins

That is a good point. I went to a different CVS to get the transaction done after I had issues (that were basically the cashier) at the first one. Almost had issues at the 2nd one but had become wise as to how to instruct them.

Next time I will go to Walmart but I had other errands and the two CVS stores were on the way.
 
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Well, that's part of my confusion. I was assuming that the price per BTC was the amount I paid less fees divided by # BTC. And, as I mentioned, this is not equal to the Blockchain "Value at time of transaction." It has been my understanding that if we're using Bitinstant that we don't get an actual buy or sell quote. I dunno. I'm a newbie and have too much on my plate right now to really dig deep.

Also, what about the other issue of not knowing which transaction is which?

Thanks by the way.


No worries. I'm a newbie too. I misspoke earlier about when the transaction actually takes place. Now that I just bought more... you pay your moneygram... then there is a cash balance at mtgox, then you buy btc with that cash balance. For me... 45 minutes to civilization that meant I wanted in at 205, but got in at 232 after the return trip.



I'm a newbie in the sense of the nuts and bolts of buying coins... I should have gotten in when I was first learning about this and became aware of the potential. I decided to invest at 30 and was flat broke... I got in at 117. I was a mathematics major in college and I've projected the price out many times in many ways since the price was less than a buck... nothing that I'd stand behind... but every projection ends with the price with more zeros behind it than the current 2. I really thought I was off or crazy until it hit 25-30... then I realized its on. For real. I don't think it matters right now whether you get in during the "right dip" or $20 or $30 up or down... I see zeros, I'm not sure how many after the current price. 1 at least, plausibly 2, a third is game over status quo.

I'm absolutely in to rally to 2000 before I dump a coin. I'll put another zero behind it before I dump the next.


Bitcoin is still cherry in so many ways; she's just getting her first taste of big money... and a fresh slew of non-technical moneygram users.


Bitcoin used to be worth $0.0025
Then it was worth $0.025
Then it was worth $0.25
Then it was worth $2.50
Then it was worth $25


Now its approaching $250

All of this happened in less than 3 years.

Ask people on the steet.... still...
Nobody knows about it.
 
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No worries. I'm a newbie too. I misspoke earlier about when the transaction actually takes place. Now that I just bought more... you pay your moneygram... then there is a cash balance at mtgox, then you buy btc with that cash balance. For me... 45 minutes to civilization that meant I wanted in at 205, but got in at 232 after the return trip.



I'm a newbie in the sense of the nuts and bolts of buying coins... I should have gotten in when I was first learning about this and became aware of the potential. I decided to invest at 30 and was flat broke... I got in at 117. I was a mathematics major in college and I've projected the price out many times in many ways since the price was less than a buck... nothing that I'd stand behind... but every projection ends with the price with more zeros behind it than the current 2. I really thought I was off or crazy until it hit 25-30... then I realized its on. For real. I don't think it matters right now whether you get in during the "right dip" or $20 or $30 up or down... I see zeros, I'm not sure how many after the current price. 1 at least, plausibly 2, a third is game over status quo.

I'm absolutely in to rally to 2000 before I dump a coin. I'll put another zero behind it before I dump the next.


Bitcoin is still cherry in so many ways; she's just getting her first taste of big money.

probably should preach a little more discipline than that.


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Won't last..
 
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I've just had bitinstant send it directly to my bitcoin wallet. I was reading too many horror stories of massive delays crediting $$ to mt.gox. All mine have been fulfilled within minutes once I pay the Moneygram. Actually one took an hour, but it was at 5 o'clock on a weekday.

If you do use CVS, make the cashier enter the entire amount (3.95 fee and all) you are paying or else it won't work.
 
probably should preach a little more discipline than that.


This


Won't last..

One could argue that bitcoin is more of a paradigm shift in the world economy that must reach market saturation before leveling off. In that regard you can't necessarily analyze it as a traditional currency or commodity, even though it sure looks like one and in many ways, acts like one.

If cryptocurrencies becomes the money of the Internet, just think of the possibilities, especially for developing, poor or oppressed countries. The market is potentially mind-bogglingly huge.
 
probably should preach a little more discipline than that.


This
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Won't last..



No it won't last, but when it plateaus it will be orders of magnitude more than 25. The question is the number of orders not the number of points above or below current.

I suspect 2 orders of magnitude over 25; $2500 spot price is not at all unreasonable long position... about 2% of the world economy. I could see equal reason for it to stop at 250 as for it to continue to 25,000 (25k would be about a 1/4 of the global economy)
 
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One could argue that bitcoin internet technology is more of a paradigm shift in the world economy that must reach market saturation before leveling off. In that regard you can't necessarily analyze it as a traditional currency or commodity technology, even though it sure looks like one and in many ways, acts like one.

If cryptocurrencies internet technology becomes the money of the Internet productivity tool of the world, just think of the possibilities, especially for developing, poor or oppressed countries. The market is potentially mind-bogglingly huge.

yes, I don't disagree with any of what you said. Then, there is this.

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No it won't last, but when it plateaus it will be orders of magnitude more than 25. The question is the number of orders not the number of points above or below current.

I suspect 2 orders of magnitude over 25; $2500 spot price is not at all unreasonable long position... about 2% of the world economy. I could see equal reason for it to stop at 250 as for it to continue to 25,000 (25k would be about a 1/4 of the global economy)

I understand the math behind it. What ever the next defacto world currency is will obey the same pattern more or less.

Why bTC tho? For all the reasons I have heard it is so great as a replacement, in actual practice, I haven't really seen it live up to those reasons yet.
 
I've just had bitinstant send it directly to my bitcoin wallet. I was reading too many horror stories of massive delays crediting $$ to mt.gox. All mine have been fulfilled within minutes once I pay the Moneygram. Actually one took an hour, but it was at 5 o'clock on a weekday.

If you do use CVS, make the cashier enter the entire amount (3.95 fee and all) you are paying or else it won't work.

Yep. that was my "TIP" earlier. For some reason they want to ask the price without fee and that messes it all up.
 
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