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$20 trillion in free bitcoin! Exchange glitch sells bitcoin for $0
https://www.rt.com/business/419452-free-bitcoin-cryptocurrency-exchange-glitch/

A computing error at a Japanese cryptocurrency exchange Zaif has allowed some customers to claim digital tokens for $0. This raises further questions about security at crypto exchanges.

As Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun reports, this seventh client “purchased” 2,200 trillion yen ($20 trillion) worth of bitcoin and tried to withdraw it from the exchange.

So this raises an important question. If a glitch like this happens and it actually processes, how does the chain go back and "undelete" the purchase???
 
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$20 trillion in free bitcoin! Exchange glitch sells bitcoin for $0
https://www.rt.com/business/419452-free-bitcoin-cryptocurrency-exchange-glitch/



So this raises an important question. If a glitch like this happens and it actually processes, how does the chain go back and "undelete" the purchase???


The exchanges don't actually do all the micro-transactions in crypto, they just hold a reserve like any other exchange and they keep their reserves at the proper levels.

This guy bought $20 trillion worth of bitcoin, there isn't even $20 trillion worth of bitcoin in existence. He bought worthless tokens on their server, then tried to cash out the tokens. Obviously they don't have $20 trillion so he wasn't thinking very far ahead if he thought it was actually going to happen.

What he should have done if he really wanted to screw over the exchange was actually attempt to send SOME of the bitcoin to another wallet. He couldn't have sent all of it because it doesn't exist, but if they had actually sent him some bitcoin to a wallet address that he has control over, then they would have been unable to reverse the transaction.
 
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The exchanges don't actually do all the micro-transactions in crypto, they just hold a reserve like any other exchange and they keep their reserves at the proper levels.

This guy bought $20 trillion worth of bitcoin, there isn't even $20 trillion worth of bitcoin in existence. He bought worthless tokens on their server, then tried to cash out the tokens. Obviously they don't have $20 trillion so he wasn't thinking very far ahead if he thought it was actually going to happen.

What he should have done if he really wanted to screw over the exchange was actually attempt to send SOME of the bitcoin to another wallet. He couldn't have sent all of it because it doesn't exist, but if they had actually sent him some bitcoin to a wallet address that he has control over, then they would have been unable to reverse the transaction.

Sure, in that specific example it wouldn't have made a difference but otherwise say an exchange glitches out and offers bitcoin for $20 each and a crapton of people buy and the purchases do get processed into the chain before the mistake is realized. Then what? If coins can be "lost" or otherwise disappear or be stolen and the chain not reverted to make the victim whole again, what happens if this kind of issue happens? Seems to me the whole thing would be screwed. Also begs the question of how one knows for sure that their coin hasn't been rehypothecated over and over.

It is nice to see someone admit that "buying" a bitcoin on an exchange isn't actually a purchase of a bitcoin on the blockchain, but rather is the purchase of a "tag" on an exchange.
 
Sure, in that specific example it wouldn't have made a difference but otherwise say an exchange glitches out and offers bitcoin for $20 each and a crapton of people buy and the purchases do get processed into the chain before the mistake is realized. Then what? If coins can be "lost" or otherwise disappear or be stolen and the chain not reverted to make the victim whole again, what happens if this kind of issue happens? Seems to me the whole thing would be screwed. Also begs the question of how one knows for sure that their coin hasn't been rehypothecated over and over.

That's why you keep your coins in a wallet like Mordan and most of us here have always said to do, only keep on the exchange what you want to trade.

The worst thing that could happen, like I said, is the person actually gets their BTC off the exchange. The exchange will have decreased their BTC reserves without getting anything in return and they may have a difficult time fully compensating their customers.


It is nice to see someone admit that "buying" a bitcoin on an exchange isn't actually a purchase of a bitcoin on the blockchain, but rather is the purchase of a "tag" on an exchange.

What's wrong with admitting that? If you can't transfer the coin off the exchange into your own private wallet, people start complaining.. people start complaining, they start pulling their coin off the exchange. Bad day for the exchange.
 
That's why you keep your coins in a wallet like Mordan and most of us here have always said to do, only keep on the exchange what you want to trade.

The worst thing that could happen, like I said, is the person actually gets their BTC off the exchange. The exchange will have decreased their BTC reserves without getting anything in return and they may have a difficult time fully compensating their customers.




What's wrong with admitting that? If you can't transfer the coin off the exchange into your own private wallet, people start complaining.. people start complaining, they start pulling their coin off the exchange. Bad day for the exchange.

That's the thing, you're not transferring the actual coin code to your wallet afaik. You're transferring a "tag" to your wallet so the tag that identifies it as yours can't be lost on an exchange. How do you know that you and Mordan don't have a tag in your wallet to the same coin, thus making that coin essentially rehypothecated?
 
That's the thing, you're not transferring the actual coin code to your wallet afaik. You're transferring a "tag" to your wallet so the tag that identifies it as yours can't be lost on an exchange. How do you know that you and Mordan don't have a tag in your wallet to the same coin, thus making that coin essentially rehypothecated?

You really should just buy some crypto. You could buy like $20 worth or something. It would be a great learning experience.. Although a nice wallet costs over $100, if you have a small amount of crypto you could store it on a USB drive no need for the high security.

But yes, you do actually transfer the actual coin to your wallet from the exchange. You can verify on the blockchain that it is yours, and only yours. Once it is off the exchange it is all yours. But transferring coin to your wallet from an exchange may take some time.. could be 2 minutes could be a couple hours potentially but usually it doesn't take too long. Pretty sure they send them out in batches.

What's on the exchange is a user interface that simulates a bunch of wallets and a bunch of reserves behind it so that they can keep up with the demand of people transferring coins to and from the exchange, and having cash on hand if people want to cash out, etc.
 
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That's the thing, you're not transferring the actual coin code to your wallet afaik. You're transferring a "tag" to your wallet so the tag that identifies it as yours can't be lost on an exchange. How do you know that you and Mordan don't have a tag in your wallet to the same coin, thus making that coin essentially rehypothecated?

An exchange is like a stock market in some ways, your account there is just an entry in a database. Problems may happen if the exchange has a problem. The worse that happens are those coins on that exchange may get stolen. The most the service can screw up is however many coins that service actually owns. Although exchanges also have other security steps, most exchanges only keep a small percentage of total coins in a "hot" wallet that is instantly usable, most deposits are offline in a cold wallet, brought in as needed. So an exchange may lose 20% of their total coin holding if there is a major problem with their service.


When someone has a coin in their personal wallet it's like you're holding onto an actual stock certificate. It's yours, you have it in hand, no one else can have any claim to it.
 
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$20 trillion in free bitcoin! Exchange glitch sells bitcoin for $0
https://www.rt.com/business/419452-free-bitcoin-cryptocurrency-exchange-glitch/



So this raises an important question. If a glitch like this happens and it actually processes, how does the chain go back and "undelete" the purchase???

see what Danno wrote.

you sound like Warren Buffet. An old man who does not understand it because he refuses to try it. Fair enough. My grand father died without ever writing an email.

It is annoying though because you argue on something you have no clue about..
 
Actually, I have many clues on what's going and have proven it in this thread repeatedly. No matter how much y'all want to argue that it's different, it's actually nearly the exact same as stock market exchanges. One could even call it a stock market for man buns lol. If you don't understand fundamentally how the stock exchanges work then you'll never understand what I'm posting. I don't have any skin in the crypto game so I can look at it from the 10,000 feet perspective. Y'all with skin in the game can't do that, for obvious reasons, but that's human nature. It's another banker game, like it or not, so the same rules apply. Nothin' new under the sun...

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When someone has a coin in their personal wallet it's like you're holding onto an actual stock certificate. It's yours, you have it in hand, no one else can have any claim to it.

This is an example of the fundamental misunderstanding y'all have about stock markets, and by extension, crypto markets. You never own a share of stock even if you have a certificate. A stock certificate is a usage title (called equitable title), it is not an ownership title. It is the "tag" I keep referring to. Legal ownership of the stock is held by a Fed holding company! The "coin" in your crypto wallet is the equivalent of that equitable title stock certificate. It is a tag, an equitable title, but it is not legal ownership. Why is that? Because according to old banking philosophy, slaves can't own anything. Slaves can only use something for the benefit of the slave owner, slaves can not own.
 
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http://fortune.com/2018/03/02/bitcoin-price-transaction-volume/

Bitcoin Transaction Volume Is Puzzling Investors


Earlier this year, when Bitcoin’s price fell by more than 60% from its record close, a less-noticed Bitcoin figure also plunged: the number of daily transactions.

There are many explanations for the fall-off in trading, from software- to news-related. What’s less understood is why the level hasn’t recovered as Bitcoin’s price made a 50% comeback since Feb. 5. That’s left some investors wondering whether the cryptocurrency is waning in popularity.

The average number of trades recorded daily has roughly dropped in half from the December highs and touched its lowest in two years last month, even as Bitcoin became a household name and roared back above $10,000.


The transaction data may be bad news for Bitcoin bulls, according to Charles Morris, chief investment officer of Newscape Capital Group in London, who invests in cryptocurrencies. Trading and purchases on the Bitcoin network, which can be measured by metrics like transaction volume, is indicative of price direction, he said.

“We had a hype-cycle and now it’s cooling down,” Morris, who’s working on a project that will facilitate price discovery in various cryptocurrencies, said by phone from London. “We just may be entering a bear market” for Bitcoin.

Transactions plunged from a seven-day average of almost 400,000 in mid-December to about 200,000 this week, according to research firm Blockchain.info. The last time it was this low, the currency traded below $500.

Transactions waiting to be officially recognized by the Bitcoin network dropped from a seven-day average of 130 million bytes in early January to about 35 million now.

Average transaction confirmation times have tumbled — though that may be in part because the technology that underlies Bitcoin has already been adapted to address some of these delays. For example, a software enhancement known as the SegWit protocol, changing the way data is stored on the blockchain, was activated last week by Coinbase Inc., the largest U.S. cryptocurrency exchange.

Not everyone agrees that lower volumes signal trouble for Bitcoin. It may be a healthy return to normality and signs that the market is maturing.

Should prices start rallying again, traders may well be coaxed back, according to David Drake, whose New York-based family office has more than $10 million in cryptocurrency and blockchain investments. He sees the currency soaring to $35,000 by the end of the year.

“We have a legacy of transactions being too slow and expensive, and it will take some time for people to forget,” Drake said by phone. “But they’ll come back.”

The decline in prices may itself be to blame for lower trading volumes in Bitcoin. And websites that once only allowed payment in Bitcoin now accept a much wider range of digital currencies, according to Kyle Samani, managing partner at crypto hedge fund Multicoin Capital. That makes alternative currencies more appealing than the first-mover in the space. A year ago, bitcoin’s market capitalization was about 85% of the total sector. It’s now around 40%, according to website Coinmarketcap.com.

“Merchants, payment processors and online gambling are moving off of Bitcoin,” Samani, who has $50 million allocated to the space, said in an email. “Our Bitcoin position as a fund is small — I believe Bitcoin is in the process of failing.”
 
There's been a lot of speculation that the dramatic bitcoin transaction volume was all a deliberate attack to raise the price of Bitcoin transaction fees. Bcash has been on the offensive about BTC's high transaction costs.
 
There's been a lot of speculation that the dramatic bitcoin transaction volume was all a deliberate attack to raise the price of Bitcoin transaction fees. Bcash has been on the offensive about BTC's high transaction costs.

it probably was..

Also lots of people had monetary interests to pump alt coins by spreading FUD.
 
Public interest waning.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...itcoin-on-google-drop-to-lowest-since-october

Google Searches for Bitcoin Drop to Lowest Since October

People just aren’t that interested in Bitcoin since the digital currency’s manic price surge came to an abrupt end late last year.

Nobody's Searching for Bitcoin Any More

Google searches for the search term "bitcoin" at the lowest level since October

With the largest cryptocurrency down about 40 percent from its all-time high reached in December, Google Trends data show searches are down by more than 80 percent. The last time so few people were interested, Bitcoin traded near $5,000.

The decline in interest searches coincides with trading volume failing to recover alongside prices in February.

Chart at link.

https://www.investopedia.com/news/bitcoin-transaction-volume-twoyear-low/

Bitcoin Trading Volume Plunges to Two-Year Low

Bitcoin (BTC) had a dramatic end to 2017 and start to the new year. The top cryptocurrency in the world by market cap surged to record high prices close to $20,000 per coin in December 2017. Then it stumbled somewhat, settling down under $10,000. It has hovered in the $8,000 to $11,000 range for several weeks.

A report by Coin Telegraph suggests that this sideways price action which has dominated much of 2018 so far may be contributing to an unusual effect for the cryptocurrency: bitcoin has had the lowest number of confirmed transactions per day since March 2016.

Feb. 26 Marked a Two-Year Low
BTC transactions have fallen alongside downward trends in price since the coin reached its highest level in December 2017. Since that time, as the price of bitcoin has settled down, investors seem to have lost some of the spark which drove last year's bitcoin boom.

The lowest levels of transactions occurred on February 26, 2018, with only 180,000 confirmed BTC transactions. March 4 was only slightly better, with just 195,500 transactions taking place worldwide that day.
 
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Uhhhhh....

There's been a lot of speculation that the dramatic bitcoin transaction volume was all a deliberate attack to raise the price of Bitcoin transaction fees. Bcash has been on the offensive about BTC's high transaction costs.
 
I could potentially see a drop off of bitcoin searches because it's getting more mainstream. Even the WSJ has an article or two every day. If you can't read the regular news without stumbling across something about crypto why bother searching for it
 
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