Bitcoin Back Up To $1000

This whole charade in price decline reeks of a controlled demolition by the insiders playing big ego nuts over this scaling debate that's been going on for years now, yet the price still recovers and moves on. Now, we are back to the lower region of the linear progression scale and this FUD was timed perfectly for the bearish EW waves to play out accordingly. Shake out weaks hands, then move back to regular scheduled broadcasting.
 
Are we going to see sub $900?

We were close on Saturday. I bought at the dip at $930 and then it kept going down to 900. I wanted to buy but I think 1 btc was enough for that night. Who else bought at the dip this weekend?

Where do you guys stand on BU?
 
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Today was insane, so many record high's this week.

$1420 on coinbase

Another thing I hadn't considered until very recently (I think it's from the article directly above) is that a generally wider and increasing mainstream acceptance of BTC should increase the demand for it steadily along with continued increases in price. Apart from any speculative incentive.
 
Another thing I hadn't considered until very recently (I think it's from the article directly above) is that a generally wider and increasing mainstream acceptance of BTC should increase the demand for it steadily along with continued increases in price. Apart from any speculative incentive.

You have 5 women and 2 guys. Women are easy to get. Then 2 more guys move in, not to bad, still easy to get a woman if you aren't an ass. But then.. 2 more guys move in.......... now, the poor guys have to go on expense dates, lie to the women constantly to please them, overlook all their personality flaws, just to make sure they aren't womanless.. from 4 guys to 6 guys the price of female companionship went up exponentially. 2 more men move in... OMG... now some of the women are having 2 men!!! waiting on them hand and foot 24/7... The price for female companionship seems to rise exponentially even as the male population grows at a linear rate when females are a set quantity!!!!!!

Doubling the bitcoin userbase, would/will not just result in a doubling of price. We need increased transaction capacity though, to really increase the userbase chasing Miss Bitcoin.
 
You have 5 women and 2 guys. Women are easy to get. Then 2 more guys move in, not to bad, still easy to get a woman if you aren't an ass. But then.. 2 more guys move in.......... now, the poor guys have to go on expense dates, lie to the women constantly to please them, overlook all their personality flaws, just to make sure they aren't womanless.. from 4 guys to 6 guys the price of female companionship went up exponentially. 2 more men move in... OMG... now some of the women are having 2 men!!! waiting on them hand and foot 24/7... The price for female companionship seems to rise exponentially even as the male population grows at a linear rate when females are a set quantity!!!!!!

Doubling the bitcoin userbase, would/will not just result in a doubling of price. We need increased transaction capacity though, to really increase the userbase chasing Miss Bitcoin.

I guess in economic theory the new price of BTC with a doubling of the user base would depend on the current shape of the demand curve for BTC and how much it shifts with a doubling of the user base. Also, investors have many alternatives, unlike maybe the guys in your example (although the smart ones would probably just spend the money on a motorcycle and let the other guys fight it out :)).
 
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What volume as a percentage of total market cap is traded every day?

What percent of transactions are for actual goods and services?

What is the inflation rate of BTC?

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I still maintain, the only really novel thing about crypto is what makes it crypto, the blockchain. Bitcoins "value" while not entirely unsustainable, is not based on natural bitcoin economics. It is currently a speculative bubble by all definitions of the word.
 
one could say the same for gold as well.

Gold has an inflation rate? I didn't realize we made advances in alchemy.

All currencies are different. Ignoring that and simply talking it up might seem like a good strategy if all you care about is the speculative investment attribute of Bitcoin but it will create mistrust in regular people who might be candidates for just using it as money.
 
Agree, it is speculative, the problem is the fiat currencies that still dominate the world. Until nothing is pegged to a manipulated currency, there will be speculation. Bad money will always front run more valuable money. (Gresham's law)
 
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Agree, it is speculative, the problem is the fiat currencies that still dominate the world. Until nothing is pegged to a manipulated currency, there will be speculation. Bad money will always front run more valuable money.

They dominate because very, very few people understand money power. Perhaps all that's needed is regular people understanding basic concepts of banking and money and an honest system will present itself.

Libertarian concepts are much easier to grasp than monetary concepts.

I point out the speculative nature of Bitcoin only to present the follow-up observation that those are just exchange rates. Bitcoin holders don't have to trade on exchanges. They could peg the value to gold if they wanted, or anything else. So if Bitcoin is an alternative to fiat, what prohibits us from banking with it?
 
They dominate because very, very few people understand money power. Perhaps all that's needed is regular people understanding basic concepts of banking and money and an honest system will present itself.

Libertarian concepts are much easier to grasp than monetary concepts.

I point out the speculative nature of Bitcoin only to present the follow-up observation that those are just exchange rates. Bitcoin holders don't have to trade on exchanges. They could peg the value to gold if they wanted, or anything else. So if Bitcoin is an alternative to fiat, what prohibits us from banking with it?

It takes fiat to mine btc. Most payments are fiat. The issue is everything is pegged to fiat dollars. So you're back to trading dollars. One could be there own bank, but not with Wells , etc. That is the point, not depending on banks.

Speculation is everywhere. Stocks, job markets, security. It's not a new thing.

Monetary concepts are not hard to grasp, they make it seem that way to enslave.
 
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It takes fiat to mine btc. Most payments are fiat. The issue is everything is pegged to fiat dollars. So you're back to trading dollars. One could be there own bank, but not with Wells , etc. That is the point, not depending on banks.

Speculation is everywhere. Stocks, job markets, security. It's not a new thing.

Monetary concepts are not hard to grasp, they make it seem that way

Monetary concepts aren't hard to grasp perhaps for some people. But they are certainly easily confused and conflated for most people.

For instance, you're saying everything is "pegged" to dollars. That's typically a term reserved for governments who have volatile currencies who intentionally "peg" their currency's price to a more stable national currency like the dollar.

But bitcoin isn't "pegged" to dollars. In fact, if Bitcoin was pegged to dollars, it would be a heck of a lot more viable as money than it is now.

What you really mean, I assume, is that everyone is "converting" to dollars. But why is that the problem? People can use whatever currency they want can't they? If we audit and end the fed, then what? There would still, I imagine, be some kind of "dollar". There would still be banking, and likely there would still be bitcoin.

I'm completely against this half-baked argument of "fiat dollars are dominant, must destroy before anything else will work" because it's false. It's not an educated position and it's certainly not a strategy. Remove the fed from the problem, imagine an empty slate. What would we build? What would it look like? Then just build it. What are we waiting for?

Bitcoin I see as a good pivot towards sound money, not because it's suitable as money in my personal opinion, but by understanding its qualities and its economics, it gives us a thing to compare against.

We have the Fed. We have Bitcoin. The sound money people don't seem to agree with either of these. One is centrally controlled, one is decentralized I think about as much as we can expect anything to ever be. So is the solution not somewhere along this spectrum?
 
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