Bill Still vs Robert Murphy - Economics Debate LIVE 1/17/14

[TaftFan]

https://www.facebook.com/events/1436295869920947/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=regular

 

[gwax23]

Holy shit this is in NY. Sick.

 

[green73]

I look forward to this!

 

[gwax23]

125 dollars. What are they high! How many libertarians do they think even live on Long Island.

 

[green73]

125 dollars. What are they high! How many libertarians do they think even live on Long Island.

Just get a tube, that's what matters.

 

[gwax23]

Just get a tube, that's what matters.

Meh, tube shmoob I want to see Murphy in real life.

 

[green73]

Meh, tube shmoob I want to see Murphy in real life.

Spend a week at Mises university. That's free.

 

[green73]

Based on this picture, who's the good guy?

 

[matt0611]

This should be good. Will wait for the tube.

 

[brushfire]

Based on this picture, who's the good guy?

 

[mczerone]

I'm ignorant on Still, what's his economic pedigree? (I do have an opinion on him, as negative, but I don't remember what it was that I found appalling)

 

[emazur]

I'm ignorant on Still, what's his economic pedigree? (I do have an opinion on him, as negative, but I don't remember what it was that I found appalling)

He's a libertarian who opposes the Fed but offers a false solution - no fractional reserve banking BUT government issued fiat money (before you jump all over him, I've almost 100% sure I've heard Ron Paul offer that as a solution that's better than what we've got now though not his desired goal). He's done some documentaries like The Money Masters, has run (but never won nomination) for Libertarian Party president, and appears every now and then on Alex Jones' show. Read G. Edward Griffin's take on Bill Still:
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=meetstill

 

[gwax23]

He's a libertarian who opposes the Fed but offers a false solution - no fractional reserve banking BUT government issued fiat money (before you jump all over him, I've almost 100% sure I've heard Ron Paul offer that as a solution that's better than what we've got now though not his desired goal). He's done some documentaries like The Money Masters, has run (but never won nomination) for Libertarian Party president, and appears every now and then on Alex Jones' show. Read G. Edward Griffin's take on Bill Still:
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=meetstill

So basically he is confused?

 

[matt0611]

Is there a video of this yet? Anyone see it live?

 

[Acala]

So basically he is confused?

Or he wants to be in control. Still's "solution" is still about government control. Government control ALWAYS results in some combination of incompetence and corruption.

 

[matt0611]

Havent watched it yet.

 

[matt0611]

OK, I finished watching it. It worth listening too.

The Bill Still guy is not too bright (at least on a good amount of things), Murphy sorta runs circles around him (as I expected him to).

The debate sort of degenerated into minarchy vs anarchy so there was some interesting discussion.

 

[gwax23]

Watching now. Bill still is an intellectual light weight to put it mildly. He was all over the place with no coherent argument or position. Not a good debater or speaker.

Also you can be a Austrian Minarchist (see Mises) and you can be a Minarchist and support the denationalization of money. His defintion of Minarchy seems very broad when traditionally it was used to describe an State limited to the courts, police, and National defense. Not Currency control.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Bob Murphy's post-debate presentation: http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/201...rian-economics-at-save-long-island-forum.html

My Presentation on Austrian Economics at "Save Long Island" Forum

This was truly a great event; I learned a lot from the other speakers. Here was what I told the crowd:

[see video below]

P.S. I also debated “The Money Masters” man, Bill Still, the day before the above talk. I will post on that separately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEbSRpBew4I

 

[Occam's Banana]

Bob Murphy comments on the debate: http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2014/01/bob-murphy-vs.-bill-still.html

It’s the master of disaster versus the Money Master. It was supposed to be about money, but then we took off the gloves and started talking anarchy. Oh boy. When I saw the crowd was with him early on, I had to break out my Jimmy Stewart impression. I wasn’t screwing around.

Incidentally, I have some major work deadlines so this is all you’re going to get (save for one quick post on Austrian monetary theory) over the next few days. You might as well watch it to avoid withdrawal.