Bill Maher: "The one guy on the political scene now..." (video added)

jdmyprez_deo_vindice said:
I am glad this idiot is at least smart enough to know a good thing when he encounters it but I will not be promoting these words outside of this forum because maher will certainly win us no friends with the GOP.
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Well, I can understand your point to a degree but the people that wouldn’t vote for Paul because of a positive remark on a liberal/progressive show are the same group of people that aren’t going to vote for Paul because Hannity/O’Reilly/Limbaugh. Also most people don’t care as they get any political news for about 15 minutes a day and most of that is surface level.

On the flip side, people’s belief system is a product of their experiences and environment. When somebody in the media that has the same value system says something positive about someone the viewer wouldn’t otherwise think about, it’s positive. That’s how I got to this point. So I think overall it’s a good thing.
 
I'm very glad to hear Bill Maher spoke out on the NDAA and this other nonsense.

You guys shouldn't be so surprised this is not the first time Bill has said very positive things about RP, and he frequently criticizes the dems. All the time actually.

He's never seemed partisan to me. (in terms of being absolutely loyal and refusing to say anything critical of the left)

Like others have said, he refers to himself as a "libertarian" sometimes.
 
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Rob Reiner said along the line of 'you only like Paul because he'd let you smoke pot'. So one more libertarian - anti fed control issue brought up. There was a lot brought up on the episode very Ron Paul.

A lot of good sound bites.
 
pauliticalfan said:
David Frum was an absolute douche. Called Ron horrible and hateful to 90% of the country.
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It's troubling that Frum, and other neocons, are still invited to (and therefore their opinions given legitimacy) in the mainstream media. Not only is Frum on CNN sometimes frequently, but also on the Daily Beast. I don't consider these sources of "news" to be very credible in regards to accurate, non-biased reporting, but some still do.
Either way, it's not too worrying because the more these neocons talk, the more they appear delusional to rational thinking people.
 
I think it's nice to see liberals like Bill Maher and John Stewart repeatedly being impressed by Paul and giving him credit for taking a stand. It'd be nice if they could eventually come over to our side all the way but who knows if that will happen. Maybe if they read some Austrian economics or something. What I'd also like to see is more substantive debates between progressives and libertarians. Anyone with an open mind who uses logic will be won over because the libertarian positions make much more sense.
 
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From what I've seen, Maher and Stewart still just don't realize that big government increases the power of mega corporations, it doesn't protect the people from them in any way.

That could change though.
 
noxnoctum said:
From what I've seen, Maher and Stewart still just don't realize that big government increases the power of mega corporations, it doesn't protect the people from them in any way.

That could change though.
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It's not so much if they change. It's their audience that may be influenced to look into him that matters. It only takes a single issue to serve as a hook to draw somebody in to the larger concept.
 
Liberals say some nice things about RP. Conservatives say some nice things about RP. Most everyone can pick something out of RP that they agree with or not agree with, but the important thing is that most people agree with him on some things. This is what brings people into his other ideas or views. No President ever had people agreeing with all thier positions, but more of a compromise.

Obama cannot bring over the Conservatives, Ron Paul can. Romney wont bring over the liberals, Ron Paul can bring some over. In a Romney/Obama match they would split a lot of the independents. Ron Paul dominates with independents. In a general election Ron Paul would beat Obama with that formula, possibly in a landslide.
 
noxnoctum said:
From what I've seen, Maher and Stewart still just don't realize that big government increases the power of mega corporations, it doesn't protect the people from them in any way.

That could change though.
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Yea being an X-Liberal Dem>turned Green Party>turned Libertarian/Republican myself this was one of the major concepts that's challenging to bridge but not completely impossible depending on how critical the person is of corruption in Washington and in system of control or authority. For anyone that hasn't watched the Jim Demint interview with Jon Stewart check it out all three parts, at one point Jon Stewart brings up Ron Paul's reasoning (4:13 in part 3) that relying too much on government for regulation in trying to right wrongs, allows for the possibility of corruption through lobbyists which no one whether you are a D or an R like at all and is the basis for a lot of the problems we have today;

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/w...clusive---jim-demint-extended-interview-pt--1
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/w...clusive---jim-demint-extended-interview-pt--2
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/w...clusive---jim-demint-extended-interview-pt--3

There are a few moments during the interview I could tell just from looking at Jon Stewart's face that he had moments of realization especially when Demint starts to talk about how the people in this country can not depend on the government to come up with some of the solutions we are facing, the government is just not that good regardless of what kind of expectations people may have about them. I could see the light shining on Jon Stewart as he came to the realization that you know what this guy Demint is actually telling the truth about this, and it's hard for a comic that tries to find truth through a sea of lies to ignore the truth that is being presented in front of him (part 3 around 1:10). Or as was said in V for Vendetta:

Artists use lies to tell the truth, while politicians use them to cover the truth up.
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There are a lot of obstacles and thought processes that you need to sludge through to get to the heart of certain issues, it's very easy to get stuck in the mire of class warfare, collectivism vs. individualism, accusations of groups being less or more patriotic and therefore valid, etc. One thing I'm sure of is regular people either Liberal or Conservative can at least begin to agree that we have departed too far from the Constitution as a basis of agreement for how government should behave, then it's just a matter of talking about the more important issues going from that basis.
 
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And Mahar just supported someone who was a Christian.. he must REALLY like Paul to do that..
 
I'm sure most of you already know this, but just like general forms of politics, libertarianism encompasses a wide range of beliefs. I'd say many, if not most, Ron Paul supporters fall into the paleo-libertarian camp. However, on the other end of libertarian spectrum is left libertarianism (or libertarian socialism)....people like Noam Chomsky. I'd put Bill Maher under this camp, too.

Jon Stewart, while level-headed and sympathetic to Paul, rubs me as more of a standard liberal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
 
Maher told a truth not long after 9/11 that made him stand in Ron Paul's shoes for a good long while. Surprised his career survived that, actually.
 
Bill Maher was my first stepping stone to liberty :P I still check in every now and then to see how the Liberal winds are blowing.
But...that Debbie woman makes me want to jam bamboo skewers into my eyes.
 
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