Bill Kristol

[BKom]

Tweedle Dee.

 

[Deborah K]

a vote for Santorum is one less vote for Mitt or Newt

You underestimate the power of the neocon-elite.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

This is the establishment power and they have their "HEIR" and some "SPARES" in the GOP primary.

We already know Obama is the same type of Meat Puppet they control in the White House, they all ly and are controlled by the same Progressive Liberal Far Right/Left Extremeists of ONE.

 

[Hyperion]

All I know is that Bill Kristol is a war mongering tool, who shares responsibility for the deaths of Americans in the WoT. If there is a conflict with Iran, Billy should volunteer and put his money where his mouth is.

He better be careful for what he wishes. The Republican Party can't win without the support of libertarian minded voters. In fact when the GOP actually campaigns on limited government(i.e. 2010) they crush. This is one Republican who will no longer blindly support the GOP at the presidential level.

 

[jct74]

yeah, I watched him on CSPAN this morning too. There were a lot of Ron Paul supporters that called in, including a vet that called Kristol out for being a chickenhawk. Kristol did lots of trashing on the newsletters and conspiracy theories, then at the end of the program he said Ron is not a good guy and he should be kicked out of the Republican Party.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/303717-3

 

[Deborah K]

yeah, I watched him on CSPAN this morning too. There were a lot of Ron Paul supporters that called in, including a vet that called Kristol out for being a chickenhawk. Kristol did lots of trashing on the newsletters and conspiracy theories, then at the end of the program Kristol said Ron Paul is not a good guy and he should be kicked out of the Republican Party.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/303717-3

And that CSPAN hag, Greta, always manages to let her liberal leanings come through.

 

[Thrashertm]

Kristol challenged Ron Paul to a debate at 20:00 here http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/PrimaryFie

Can anyone alert the campaign? This could be helpful at some point?

 

[Deborah K]

Kristol challenged Ron Paul to a debate at 20:00 here http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/PrimaryFie

Can anyone alert the campaign? This could be helpful at some point?

A presidential candidate typically doesn't do debates with non-candidates while he's on the campaign trail. But they should definitely put out a press release regarding that slanderous video that Kristol is behind, and refute the lies one by one. I am positive that video is behind the reaction Ron got last night.

 

[parocks]

yeah, I watched him on CSPAN this morning too. There were a lot of Ron Paul supporters that called in, including a vet that called Kristol out for being a chickenhawk. Kristol did lots of trashing on the newsletters and conspiracy theories, then at the end of the program he said Ron is not a good guy and he should be kicked out of the Republican Party.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/303717-3

Bill Kristols dad, Irving Kristol, was the first and most famous neocon. He was a Democrat in 1968, was on the Humphrey task force.

 

[kill the banks]

billy you are not a good guy getting kicked out of the republican party ! the end

 

[Pyruuub]

This is the first time that I have seen the neocons actually worried. This means that we must be making some kind of progress. They're losing power and fighting back HARD. This is good for us. Let them fight. Our ideas will win, because they're true.

 

[r3volution]

Kristols naziesk father should have been kicked out of the country yrs ago and we would not be in half the mess we are in now .

 

[Len Larson]

For anyone who wants to understand the motives behind the Israel Lobby, read: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy. Mearsheimer and Walt

FYI, Here's the link: http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/A0040.pdf

 

[jct74]

The Hill picked up Kristol's comments on CSPAN

Bill Kristol: 'Better for the Republican Party' if Ron Paul left GOP
By Geneva Sands-Sadowitz - 01/17/12 12:47 PM ET

Conservative political analyst Bill Kristol unapologetically said Tuesday that the Republican Party would be better off if presidential contender Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) left the GOP.

"I think it would be better for the Republican Party if he left the Republican Party," Kristol said on C-SPAN's "Washington Journal" Tuesday.

Kristol, the founder and editor of The Weekly Standard, argued that Paul's fellow candidates and others in the GOP are wasting time and energy trying to prevent Paul from running as a third-party candidate by placating his candidacy and giving his views credibility.

He compared Paul to former Republican presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, telling C-SPAN that Republicans unsuccessfully tried to keep him from leaving the party.

read more:
http://thehill.com/video/campaign/2...or-the-republican-party-if-ron-paul-left-gop-

 

[parocks]

The Hill picked up Kristol's comments on CSPAN



read more:
http://thehill.com/video/campaign/2...or-the-republican-party-if-ron-paul-left-gop-

Team Kristol and the neocons need to go BACK to the Democrat Party where they came from. The "neocons" were a wing of the Democrat Party for many years. Except that they weren't called neocons until 1973. There is no long tradition of neocon in the Republican Party. They didn't start getting jobs with Republicans until the 1980s.

Many of us here bitch and moan about Establishment RINOs. Establishment RINOs are not neocons. Establishment RINOs typically beat Conservatives. Going back to 1940, Wendell Wilkie, Thomas Dewey, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, all Establishment RINOs. The Conservatives got Goldwater and Reagan.

The neocons are not of the Establishment RINO tradition. When Wilkie and Dewey were being nominated, the neocons were sitting in coffeeshops in NYC talking about how much they liked Trotsky, and they were all Democrats, if not registered Communists.

 

[Imaginos]

I know who he is. He, and his ilk are the enemy of freedom. I'm going to do everything within my power to counter his attacks on Ron. All of us should. This man is dangerous.

Bill Kristol is not just the enemy of freedom.
He and his ilks are the enemy of the Constitution, all the American people (minus 'the chosen'), and entire humanity.
I am 100% convinced if there's Hell, these people will go there.
These people turned America, once a great nation, into the Corporatist Police state.
These people sent our fathers and families to war and had them killed and maimed.
These people killed many civilians including women and children all around the world and they used our name and tainted the word 'America' forever.
These people got involved with wars with our tax money and got big chunks out of it and laugh all the way to the bank along with the CEOs of the Military Industrial Complex.
These people, including, Bill Kristol need to be stripped of U.S. citizenship and deported to Israel.
These people should be banned to enter this country and if they try, should be dealt with 'shoot on sight' policy.

 

[Student Of Paulism]

Bill Kristol is not just the enemy of freedom.
He and his ilks are the enemy of the Constitution, all the American people (minus 'the chosen'), and entire humanity.
I am 100% convinced if there's Hell, these people will go there.
These people turned America, once a great nation, into the Corporatist Police state.
These people sent our fathers and families to war and had them killed and maimed.
These people killed many civilians including women and children all around the world and they used our name and tainted the word 'America' forever.
These people got involved with wars with our tax money and got big chunks out of it and laugh all the way to the bank along with the CEOs of the Military Industrial Complex.
These people, including, Bill Kristol need to be stripped of U.S. citizenship and deported to Israel.
These people should be banned to enter this country and if they try, should be dealt with 'shoot on sight' policy.

Yea, pretty much...

If some of you wanna see a bit of the roots of it all, here is just a piece of it. This goes way back even before the neocons came about:

 

[Deborah K]

billy you are not a good guy getting kicked out of the republican party ! the end

He said on CSPAN today that Ron Paul should get kicked out the Republican Party.

 

[Deborah K]

Team Kristol and the neocons need to go BACK to the Democrat Party where they came from. The "neocons" were a wing of the Democrat Party for many years. Except that they weren't called neocons until 1973. There is no long tradition of neocon in the Republican Party. They didn't start getting jobs with Republicans until the 1980s.

Many of us here bitch and moan about Establishment RINOs. Establishment RINOs are not neocons. Establishment RINOs typically beat Conservatives. Going back to 1940, Wendell Wilkie, Thomas Dewey, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, all Establishment RINOs. The Conservatives got Goldwater and Reagan.

The neocons are not of the Establishment RINO tradition. When Wilkie and Dewey were being nominated, the neocons were sitting in coffeeshops in NYC talking about how much they liked Trotsky, and they were all Democrats, if not registered Communists.

This.

 

[mac_hine]

What is Neoconservatism?


More important than the names of people affiliated with neo-conservatism are the views they adhere to. Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:

They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
They accept the notion that the ends justify the means — that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
They express no opposition to the welfare state.
They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists).
They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

....In addition to publications, multiple think tanks and projects were created to promote their agenda. A product of the Bradley Foundation, American Enterprise Institute (AEI) led the neocon charge, but the real push for war came from the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), another organization helped by the Bradley Foundation. This occurred in 1998 and was chaired by Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol. Early on, they urged war against Iraq, but were disappointed with the Clinton administration, which never followed through with its periodic bombings. Obviously, these bombings were motivated more by Clinton's personal and political problems than a belief in the neocon agenda.

The election of 2000 changed all that. The Defense Policy Board, chaired by Richard Perle played no small role in coordinating the various projects and think tanks, all determined to take us into war against Iraq. It wasn't too long before the dream of empire was brought closer to reality by the election of 2000 with Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld playing key roles in this accomplishment. The plan to promote an “American greatness” imperialistic foreign policy was now a distinct possibility. Iraq offered a great opportunity to prove their long-held theories. This opportunity was a consequence of the 9-11 disaster.

The money and views of Rupert Murdock also played a key role in promoting the neocon views, as well as rallying support by the general population, through his News Corporation, which owns Fox News Network, the New York Post and Weekly Standard. This powerful and influential media empire did more to galvanize public support for the Iraqi invasion than one might imagine. This facilitated the Rumsfeld/Cheney policy as their plans to attack Iraq came to fruition. It would have been difficult for the neocons to usurp foreign policy from the restraints of Colin Powell's State Department without the successful agitation of the Rupert Murdock empire. Max Boot was satisfied, as he explained: “Neoconservatives believe in using American might to promote American ideals abroad.” This attitude is a far cry from the advice of the Founders, who advocated no entangling alliances and neutrality as the proper goal of American foreign policy. ~Ron Paul- We've Been Neo-Conned http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul110.html

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Great thread Deb K.(+rep)

This is an extremely important topic, IMO. The battle between the remnant of the liberty wing of the Republican party (RP) and the neocon establishment is upon us. I think that this is the fight that will determine not only the future of Ron's candidacy, but the future of this nation as well.