Big GOP Donors Shun Rand Paul

[CaptUSA]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this yet, but money will follow success.

When the field starts to dwindle, and Rand's poll numbers begin to increase (especially vs. Hillary), there will be donors.

 

[JohnGalt23g]

it's very much early days yet... Ron's money came late. I remember the debates over whether he had enough time to spend it and make an impact. As we get closer donors small and large will start opening their wallets. No need to worry.

In politics, all things being equal, early money is better than late money...

 

[JK/SEA]

just curious why there isn't an effort to advertise on MSM a moneybomb for Rand?

 

[Foreigner]

He should meet with small business councils and such to look for several donors that can contribute good money when combined. Present his plan of tax cuts, and tell that unlike other candidates, he will actually do it when elected. Focus on how it will help the economy, and their businesses. Then it's a matter off communicating that he can win the primaries and the general by focusing on his good polling. It's more time-consuming than finding one billionare that can bankroll the campaign... He already meet with all of Romneys big donors, and since none of them are giving anything, it pretty much means that all the traditional republican donors are out of the picture. Hopefully some Libertarian-leaning billionare feels the excitement and donates.

That said, having many small donors is a very good thing, since everything they contribute can go directly to the campaign. Jeb Bush can only raise very limited amounts of his big dollar support to his official campaign. (contribution limits) Most of the money goes to Super-PACs, and most of the money will be spent on TV-ads. You can't run your grassroots, staff expenditures, get-out-the-vote and digital campaigns via super-PACs, some things will need to go by the official campaign. So while the numbers will probably look loop-sided when including all the money, Rand can use his money more efficiently to compete.

If he is the last conservative standing against the Bush-style-moderates, I think he will get a lot of money from the Koch's and other conservative backers.

 

[anaconda]

We should start running personal attack ads against the donors themselves. Maybe that would make them a little less enthused to stick their slimy noses in the race.

Excellent idea! Donor attack ads!

 

[Carlybee]

Doesn't he have professional campaign advisors on salary advising him about this sort of thing?

 

[rich34]

Excellent idea! Donor attack ads!

I think it would certainly be helpful to inform voters that no billionaire is backing him, but maybe it'd be best if the SuperPac did that rather than Rand's campaign.

I'd also like to say I think the campaign definitely needs to setup a moneybomb themselves, one that they could somewhat control by informing their inside network of the particular date, details, etc.... to ensure it's success. Follow this up by advertising on drudge and other perceived friendly sites to make sure they get the word out. Between them and the grassroots focusing on a particular day I don't see how something along these lines couldn't generate at least 5 million dollars. Then think of the immediate media impact which could generate even more money. Even Ron's moneybombs were covered by the networks, if Rand does this then think of how much more so they'll cover it and get the word out. Come on Rand, just do it!

 

[anaconda]

I think it would certainly be helpful to inform voters that no billionaire is backing him, but maybe it'd be best if the SuperPac did that rather than Rand's campaign.

I'd also like to say I think the campaign definitely needs to setup a moneybomb themselves, one that they could somewhat control by informing their inside network of the particular date, details, etc.... to ensure it's success. Follow this up by advertising on drudge and other perceived friendly sites to make sure they get the word out. Between them and the grassroots focusing on a particular day I don't see how something along these lines couldn't generate at least 5 million dollars. Then think of the immediate media impact which could generate even more money. Even Ron's moneybombs were covered by the networks, if Rand does this then think of how much more so they'll cover it and get the word out. Come on Rand, just do it!

Turning this campaign into a perceived class war against the establishment might be a viable strategy in this campaign. Rand is already inching down that road. Rand might have to gamble with going slightly more "conspiratorial," however.

 

[adelina]

We should start running personal attack ads against the donors themselves. Maybe that would make them a little less enthused to stick their slimy noses in the race.

No. Very bad idea. Because if Rand gets the nomination, he will need their donations to beat Hillary.

 

[anaconda]

He should meet with small business councils and such to look for several donors that can contribute good money when combined. Present his plan of tax cuts, and tell that unlike other candidates, he will actually do it when elected. Focus on how it will help the economy, and their businesses. Then it's a matter off communicating that he can win the primaries and the general by focusing on his good polling. It's more time-consuming than finding one billionare that can bankroll the campaign... He already meet with all of Romneys big donors, and since none of them are giving anything, it pretty much means that all the traditional republican donors are out of the picture. Hopefully some Libertarian-leaning billionare feels the excitement and donates.

That said, having many small donors is a very good thing, since everything they contribute can go directly to the campaign. Jeb Bush can only raise very limited amounts of his big dollar support to his official campaign. (contribution limits) Most of the money goes to Super-PACs, and most of the money will be spent on TV-ads. You can't run your grassroots, staff expenditures, get-out-the-vote and digital campaigns via super-PACs, some things will need to go by the official campaign. So while the numbers will probably look loop-sided when including all the money, Rand can use his money more efficiently to compete.

If he is the last conservative standing against the Bush-style-moderates, I think he will get a lot of money from the Koch's and other conservative backers.

Great points. Seems to me that a huge amount of money could come from the vast amount of owners of medium sized business owners across the country who are always hurt by taxes and regulations. What about all of the very well off people that, say, own a restaurant group, a paper mill or two, a small chain of privately held grocery stores, a small media company, a real estate development firm, etc., etc.?

 

[anaconda]

No. Very bad idea. Because if Rand gets the nomination, he will need their donations to beat Hillary.

Wouldn't these donors prefer to donate to Hillary rather than Rand?

 

[rich34]

Wouldn't these donors prefer to donate to Hillary rather than Rand?

Yeah, and not only that, just imagine if Rand got the nomination and these "so called" conservative donors started giving money to Hillary? I think they'd prefer not giving money at all before that happened. And even then, they'll get blasted for not helping a republican candidate against a no good dirty democrat, oh and especially Hillary Clinton....

 

[adelina]

Wouldn't these donors prefer to donate to Hillary rather than Rand?

Mostly no, not in a presidential election against Hillary.

 

[anaconda]

Mostly no, not in a presidential election against Hillary.

I would posit that a defense contractor or banker stands to lose far more with a President Paul than a President Clinton. And Council On Foreign Relations policy makers stand to be far more inconvenienced with a President Paul. The donors can play fake "two party" allegiances when both candidates are statist puppets, which is almost always the case. This time there is a threat that they may have only one of their horses in the big race.

 

[rich34]

I think one poster had an excellent idea in helping Rand's money problem. Going to a UFC fight could have a huge upside. These guys are fighters and not afraid to go to bat for you, literally.. Rand should go to the fight in July and reap the benefits of not only free media one month before the first debate and Iowa Straw Poll, but also getting these guys to support his campaign. Once some of these big money folks are willing to stick their necks out for Rand, just maybe other bigger money folks will follow. Come on Rand!

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this yet, but money will follow success.

When the field starts to dwindle, and Rand's poll numbers begin to increase (especially vs. Hillary), there will be donors.

My thoughts, too.

 

[adelina]

I would posit that a defense contractor or banker stands to lose far more with a President Paul than a President Clinton. And Council On Foreign Relations policy makers stand to be far more inconvenienced with a President Paul. The donors can play fake "two party" allegiances when both candidates are statist puppets, which is almost always the case. This time there is a threat that they may have only one of their horses in the big race.

Not every wealthy Republican donor is a defense contractor or banker. Even if there are just one or two billionaire Republicans who supported other candidates but would donate to Rand in the general, why would you want to push them away when the Clinton machine is projected to raise at the bare minimum 2 billion. If Rand gets the nomination, the RNC will be behind him, they have no choice, Priebus does not want two consecutive presidential election losses as RNC chair and Hillary is also personally hated by the GOP beyond any level of rational thinking. This should dissuade enough wealthy Republican donors not to give to Clinton.

What I am saying is that there is the potential for Rand to gain some wealthy backers should he get the nomination. Why would you want to in any way kill that potential when he would need the money so much more in the general against Hillary. To attack these donors right now would be very short-sighted.

 

[anaconda]

Not every wealthy Republican donor is a defense contractor or banker. Even if there are just one or two billionaire Republicans who supported other candidates but would donate to Rand in the general, why would you want to push them away when the Clinton machine is projected to raise at the bare minimum 2 billion. If Rand gets the nomination, the RNC will be behind him, they have no choice, Priebus does not want two consecutive presidential election losses as RNC chair and Hillary is also personally hated by the GOP beyond any level of rational thinking. This should dissuade enough wealthy Republican donors not to give to Clinton.

What I am saying is that there is the potential for Rand to gain some wealthy backers should he get the nomination. Why would you want to in any way kill that potential when he would need the money so much more in the general against Hillary. To attack these donors right now would be very short-sighted.

Understood. Yet, I'm guessing that people like Priebus are about 100 pay grades below the puppet masters calling the shots. If the choice is between an anti-state nominee vs. a statist puppet, the puppet masters go with the puppet, and Priebus has no choice but to stand down.

 

[osan]

I think one poster had an excellent idea in helping Rand's money problem. Going to a UFC fight could have a huge upside. These guys are fighters and not afraid to go to bat for you, literally.. Rand should go to the fight in July and reap the benefits of not only free media one month before the first debate and Iowa Straw Poll, but also getting these guys to support his campaign. Once some of these big money folks are willing to stick their necks out for Rand, just maybe other bigger money folks will follow. Come on Rand!

Good idea - Rand Paul needs to hit up the "common man" because the über-wealthy have no love for him because he threatens to piss in their cornflakes. You're out to there fat from the status quo and here comes this two-bit punk who thinks he is going to put the brakes on the gravy train of public graft. Of course you have no interest in him, save to see him flayed and burned to political ash.

Go talk to your friends and convince them that Rand Paul is the only hope at this point, short of civil insurrection. Then get them to talk to their friends and so on.

There needs to be a literal information/enlightenment wave, a tsunami of sorts... a Rand-wave, that needs to sweep the land because the big $$ donors are not going to be there. The better any candidate is for the average man, the less Theye want him in office. That much should be clear.

Any friends raising objections to Rand Paul because of what they hear and see on TV, ask them why do they think the media squirt so much bile and piss his way. What do they think is the true motivation for such venom? Make them think for once, because I already know from my statistical observations that many do not think for themselves, but rather get their deep expertise from the talking heads like that Gutfeld punk on Fox who was going off on Rand Paul the other day, referring to him as "despicable". Ask people why it is that even people from Rand Paul's "own side" are going after him. Could it POSSIBLY be because he is a threat to those who are sucking the American people dry? Don't let them get away with pat/bullshit answers. Corner them with a smile and keep asking "why"; "how do you know?", and so forth. It may well be that Rand Paul is not in anyone's pocket, and if true then Theye are going to go balls to the walls to keep him out. Pound that message home in the effort to make people see. At least the honest ones will be willing to consider what you present them. The rest... well, perhaps you need to clean our your closet of "friends".

 

[georgiaboy]

Good idea - Rand Paul needs to hit up the "common man" because the über-wealthy have no love for him because he threatens to piss in their cornflakes. You're out to there fat from the status quo and here comes this two-bit punk who thinks he is going to put the brakes on the gravy train of public graft. Of course you have no interest in him, save to see him flayed and burned to political ash.

There are wealthy folks out there who stand to benefit financially from a Rand Paul presidency. Uber-wealthy, too.

Not sure who they are, but if a Rand presidency doesn't unleash an economic boom that benefits rich folks, I'm not sure why I'm here.