Big game backlash: Protests against celebrity hunter Melissa Bachman mount

[Origanalist]

South Africa has a population of around 52 million; the petition had 450,000 signatures on it before the site closed it.

I believe it was 400,000. And they were from all around the world.

(oops, 487,628 signatures)

 

[eduardo89]

South Africa has a population of around 52 million; the petition had 450,000 signatures on it before the site closed it.

Even if every single one of them (I highly doubt even 10% were from SA) were South Africans signing, that's still only 0.8% of the population.

 

[Keith and stuff]

with 102,989 supporters

That isn't a lot compared to the world population of over 7 billion. That said, it is annoying that their are 100K plus people that want to reduce the population of big game animals in the world. It is shameful that those folks don't care about big game animals. My guess, it is almost entirely due to ignorance

 

[Origanalist]

That isn't a lot compared to the world population of over 7 billion. That said, it is annoying that their are 100K plus people that want to reduce the population of big game animals in the world. It is shameful that those folks don't care about big game animals. My guess, it is almost entirely due to ignorance

That was how many people signed the petition to "Bring Brian Griffin back to Family Guy".

 

[kcchiefs6465]

That was how many people signed the petition to "Bring Brian Griffin back to Family Guy".

That is about the same amount that signed for the White House to release their ale recipe. You read that right. The US government brews ale. And instead of being annoyed at this squandering, the people want the recipe.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Maybe if we stayed out of their business, with rewards on a grand scale, they could.

Oh, and get the world community out of their shit.

Who is "we"? This doesn't involve the US government.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Who is "we"? This doesn't involve the US government.

You sure about that? "This" might mean this specific kill, but I'd frankly be surprised if somehow or another I am not paying for the conservation of lions.

 

[brushfire]

So.... the West comes to Africa, takes their resources and sets in motion the disintegration of the natural habitat which destroys wildlife and then puts in place some areas where the vulnerable spices, such as the lion, can be shot by the elite for sport and the money spent by them helps keep the lion herd somehow strong and the locals happy.

How about leaving the Africans the hell alone OR helping them to restore the natural habitat around them and only shooting animals for food or if they are a danger.

Can't have that, now can we........

First off, the African people are killing off the lions, and doing so without having even the slightest concern for conservation - there's simply no incentive to do so. Indigenous poachers and farmers are killing them off as they occupy habitat... This is the fault of "the west"?

Then along comes some "wealthy people" (I know one who makes $150k a year) who enjoy killing animals. They pay for their tags, guides, travel, and lodging, to kill a lion or kudu. Suddenly these troublesome beasts become a valuable resource - one, that if managed, can bring lots of capital and respect to an otherwise unappreciated resource. This makes for a promising and sustainable market, for people who must otherwise compete with US government subsidized food... This is certainly hard for most folks who see lions as animals you watch at the zoo.

One thing you do say that I completely agree with, however, is that we should leave the Africans alone. Let them manage their resources as they see fit. Most Americans dont live in homes with dirt floors, and most Africans dont see the Serengeti as a large zoo that was created for their viewing pleasure.

 

[Henry Rogue]

First off, the African people are killing off the lions, and doing so without having even the slightest concern for conservation - there's simply no incentive to do so. Indigenous poachers and farmers are killing them off as they occupy habitat... This is the fault of "the west"?

Then along comes some "wealthy people" (I know one who makes $150k a year) who enjoy killing animals. They pay for their tags, guides, travel, and lodging, to kill a lion or kudu. Suddenly these troublesome beasts become a valuable resource - one, that if managed, can bring lots of capital and respect to an otherwise unappreciated resource. This makes for a promising and sustainable market, for people who must otherwise compete with US government subsidized food... This is certainly hard for most folks who see lions as animals you watch at the zoo.

One thing you do say that I completely agree with, however, is that we should leave the Africans alone. Let them manage their resources as they see fit. Most Americans dont live in homes with dirt floors, and most Africans dont see the Serengeti as a large zoo that was created for their viewing pleasure.

You don't have to make that kind of money to hunt there, I know someone who works on a factory floor. He works a lot of overtime and is willing to fill in for those who want off and he pinches pennies, so he could hunt there. He drives an old beat up pickup, wild game is the only meat they eat. He and his wife hunted Africa for around 11 thousand. He hunted the Yukon, it cost him 19 thousand. It's doable if you have the passion for it and you want to live like a pauper till you save enough, they don't have kids though so that helped.

 

[oyarde]

I have some Big Game in the crock pot and my " prodigal Son " is home for the Holiday.Mostly , I believe the world has lost its way. I have not , therefore I have much to be thankful for .

 

[Dianne]

Truth.

I'm in your corner on this. I have some dopie tire kicker cousins living in South Carolina. Each year their vacation is to visit this large piece of land up north somewhere; where bears are somewhat confined and they pay to kill one for bragging rights. Sadly those dopes think that is some type of sport and they brag about it all year. I have never understood the infatuation of taking a life for no reason; i.e., food, self defense, etc.

I just don't get why so many people

This may be the place:

http://www.greatpondwildernesslodge.com/guided-maine-black-bear-hunting.html

 

[Barrex]

Europeans and Americans more or less exterminated their apex predators (Bears, mountain lions, wolfs, bigfoot). Blame and grin when Africans are doing the same are somewhat double standards.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Europeans and Americans more or less exterminated their apex predators (Bears, mountain lions, wolfs, bigfoot). Blame and grin when Africans are doing the same are somewhat double standards.

We still got lots of bears. But yeah, cats and dogs were doing poorly until the government stepped in to help them. Bears are currently hunted. And we can all dream of a future when wild cats are hunted. Already, wolf populations are so big in some US states that hunting has returned. For example, MN started in 2011 and MI just started it's first wolf hunt this year. How long will it take until wolf hunting is again legal in 10 states? 20 states?

This was during the NJ bear hunt 2 years ago. An 829 pound black bear.

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/post...29-pound-black-bear-one-of-largest-ever-shot/

'Guided bear hunt' in Canada.

http://www.turnpikeridgeoutfitters.com/Spring-Bear-Hunts.htm

 

[Origanalist]

Europeans and Americans more or less exterminated their apex predators (Bears, mountain lions, wolfs, bigfoot). Blame and grin when Africans are doing the same are somewhat double standards.

We still have a fair amount of bears and cougars in these parts.

 

[Ender]

Europeans and Americans more or less exterminated their apex predators (Bears, mountain lions, wolfs, bigfoot). Blame and grin when Africans are doing the same are somewhat double standards.

The destruction of the wolf packs was so great that the gray wolf had to be reintroduced and protected; the environment was becoming overrun with smaller animals and insects destroying the natural habitat because the balance was not there w/o the wolf.

 

[Barrex]

Dodo,man-bear-pig, buffalos...maybe I was little lazy on research but my point is "westerners" already "screwed" their "natural balance" and judging African people for doing same is not something something...

 

[oyarde]

We still got lots of bears. But yeah, cats and dogs were doing poorly until the government stepped in to help them. Bears are currently hunted. And we can all dream of a future when wild cats are hunted. Already, wolf populations are so big in some US states that hunting has returned. For example, MN started in 2011 and MI just started it's first wolf hunt this year. How long will it take until wolf hunting is again legal in 10 states? 20 states?

This was during the NJ bear hunt 2 years ago. An 829 pound black bear.

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/post...29-pound-black-bear-one-of-largest-ever-shot/

'Guided bear hunt' in Canada.

http://www.turnpikeridgeoutfitters.com/Spring-Bear-Hunts.htm

There are States here where you can hunt lions.

 

[austin944]

Riding around in your outfitted vehicles in an enclosure with guaranteed game is not hunting.

Wait, was she really hunting like that? Were the details of the hunt released? How do you know it wasn't something like this:

 

[Dianne]

We still got lots of bears. But yeah, cats and dogs were doing poorly until the government stepped in to help them. Bears are currently hunted. And we can all dream of a future when wild cats are hunted. Already, wolf populations are so big in some US states that hunting has returned. For example, MN started in 2011 and MI just started it's first wolf hunt this year. How long will it take until wolf hunting is again legal in 10 states? 20 states?

This was during the NJ bear hunt 2 years ago. An 829 pound black bear.

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/post...29-pound-black-bear-one-of-largest-ever-shot/

'Guided bear hunt' in Canada.

http://www.turnpikeridgeoutfitters.com/Spring-Bear-Hunts.htm

I have no clue why any human would be proud of this. Did you provide food for your family with the bear? Or did you just want to prove, you could kill something. Next time go after an even match... One semi auto against another; not shoot an animal that has been lured into the area by constant supplies of food.

This disgusts me beyond end. The human race deserves to be extinct when we kill for the thrill of it.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I have no clue why any human would be proud of this. Did you provide food for your family with the bear? Or did you just want to prove, you could kill something. Next time go after an even match... One semi auto against another; not shoot an animal that has been lured into the area by constant supplies of food.

This disgusts me beyond end. The human race deserves to be extinct when we kill for the thrill of it.

The killing of bears in the US helps stock fish so people can fish, helps rescue lost children, it saves the lives of injured people, helps pay for the over site and management of wild animals and accomplish many other good things. There are some issues with it but even the politicians that control the 2 least free states in the nation (NJ and NY) are able to study the issues and see that the benifits help everyone in the state and far outweigh the problems.

I've never hunted (I have fished). I did just crush a pseudoscorpion that was near by keyboard. But if I was going to hunt big game animals, I'd consider selecting a target from this list. Unfortunately, none of these are in NH and I'm not big into leaving the Shire anymore.