Big game backlash: Protests against celebrity hunter Melissa Bachman mount

[eduardo89]

Ummm...these are politicians saying this right? Only US politicians lie?

What politicians are saying what?

 

[Pericles]

A bloodthirsty killing machine creature. That lion would be smiling just as wide if the roles were reversed.

Yep - that lion is not a pet. Life looks different when kitty could eat you.

 

[eduardo89]

Seriously? Animals hunt to eat. The idea of killing for fun is disgusting. Hunting is disgusting.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433473-The-Pussification-of-the-Western-Male

 

[fr33]

My apologies for turning it more grimly but does anyone remember number of Americans who signed up petition after following trophy photos were published?

Caution: very graphic

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ing_a_dead_Afghan_boy_by_the_hair_in_2010.jpg

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/conten...mage.img.640.512.jpg/1380037711667.cached.jpg

http://cdn4.spiegel.de/images/image-198947-videoposter16-abcd.jpg

I'm inclined to support kills where the hunter eats the harvest but unfortunately I'm not sure those psychos in the pictures you posted wouldn't eat the kills if allowed to.

 

[Ender]

I don't think so;

Maroi Conservancy is getting a lot of hate mail from all around the world regarding the Melissa Bachman lion hunt. If I can clarify a couple of facts:

Maroi Conservancy is based in the Limpopo Province, 30 km from Musina, right next to the Limpopo Border. We are operating on 8500 hectares. All the game on the conservancy is free roaming and occur here naturally.

Our motto is "conservation through sustainable hunting".

We do ethical hunting and all meat from animals hunted is distrubuted to the local community. Funds generated from hunting goes towards fixing the border fence that was washed away in the 2013 floods; combating poaching which is excessive in this area due to close proximaty to ZImbabwe and running a sustainable conservancy. We have lost 2 eland, 4 giraffes and numerous other animals in the past 2 months that were killed by spears and dogs. We control our game numbers to prevent starvation of animals.

We have hunters from all over the world and all game hunting is done ethically on Maroi as per guidelines from Nature Conservation.

We had Melissa Bachman hunting plains game at Maroi in the past month. She was assisted by our PH Julious Heyneke. On her wish list was a lion. There are no lions on Maroi as they do not occur here naturallly. We contacted a outfitter in the North West Province and we faciltated the hunt for Melissa. We paid over the monies for the hunt to them and Melissa was tranported to Zeerust. We did not benefit financially by this hunt.

All documentation were in place for this hunt eg permits etc as required by Nature Conservation. The lion was not drugged or enclosed in a camp. It was free roaming on more than 2000 hectares. Melissa is a professional hunter and in no way is she involved in dubious practices.

We are not apologising for facilitating the hunt. As for all the negative commentary towards us, please consider how much you have contributed to conservation in the past 5 years. If you are not a game farmer and struggling with dying starving animals, poaching and no fences in place to protect your animals and crop, please refrain from making negative degoratory comments. It is so easy to judge if you are staying in cities and towns, buying your meat at 'woolies' and going to game reserves maybe once a year.

It is a fact, that due to the hunting industry and money generated out of this industry, there are more animals in South Africa than 100 years ago.

Any journalists are welcome to contact us to clarify facts.
https://www.facebook.com/maroi.conservancy/posts/550430031706577

Maybe not politicians per se but their major funding is most likely government.

Pretty dicey territory- the lion is on the list of vulnerable animals. The lion population is guesstimated at around 80 Million right now- down from 200 million a few years ago. We just killed the last of the black rhinos- guess humans never learn.

According to Dr. Luke Hunter, the executive vice president of large cat conservation group Panthera, killing a prime male lion such as this one "disrupts the species’ complicated social structure. Prime male lions -- the most sought after trophies -- guard their females from pride takeovers by strange males. Takeovers are catastrophic to lionesses because victorious incoming males kill any cubs belonging to the previous pride males."

That means the death of a prime male, such as the one killed by Bachman, can lead to the death of an entire generation of cubs within a pride. With proper regulation, however, Hunter argues the practice of big game hunting, which costs hunters up to $125,000, can indeed help fund conservation efforts.

"The entire process that allows hunting big cats in Africa needs a complete overhaul to purge its widespread excesses and enforce far stricter limits on which lions can be hunted and how many," writes Hunter. "That would force hunters to produce the conservation benefits of which they constantly boast but only rarely produce."

From:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...with-lion-she-stalked-and-killed-8944363.html

The picture (dead lion) was also added to Facebook as part of an album called “Africa 2013”, which included images of her next to a dead zebra and a variety of shot antelope, as well as the lion, following a trip to the Maroi Conservancy hunting park.

Now South Africans have started a petition to have Ms Bachman banned from the country, which presently has over 12,000 signatures.

The petition asks supporters to sign a letter directed at the South African government that reads: “She is an absolute contradiction to the culture of conservation, this country prides itself on. Her latest Facebook post features her with a lion she has just executed and murdered in our country.

“As tax payers we demand she no longer be granted access to this country and its natural resources.”

 

[Ender]

Yep - that lion is not a pet. Life looks different when kitty could eat you.

Yea- this Bachman lady must have been terrified at the zebra she killed, not to mention the elk.

 

[Pericles]

Any wagers that those terribly offended by the idea of hunting a lion, would have any hesitation about doing the following to those who oppose their policies?

 

[Origanalist]

I will bold a different part;

According to Dr. Luke Hunter, the executive vice president of large cat conservation group Panthera, killing a prime male lion such as this one "disrupts the species’ complicated social structure. Prime male lions -- the most sought after trophies -- guard their females from pride takeovers by strange males. Takeovers are catastrophic to lionesses because victorious incoming males kill any cubs belonging to the previous pride males."

That means the death of a prime male, such as the one killed by Bachman, can lead to the death of an entire generation of cubs within a pride. With proper regulation, however, Hunter argues the practice of big game hunting, which costs hunters up to $125,000, can indeed help fund conservation efforts.

"The entire process that allows hunting big cats in Africa needs a complete overhaul to purge its widespread excesses and enforce far stricter limits on which lions can be hunted and how many," writes Hunter. "That would force hunters to produce the conservation benefits of which they constantly boast but only rarely produce."

And I am by no means against refining the process if it needs it.

 

[Ender]

Any wagers that those terribly offended by the idea of hunting a lion, would have any hesitation about doing the following to those who oppose their policies?

Let's get something straight.

If something's is attacking me or others, I have no problem killing it. If my family and loved ones are starving, I have no problem killing something for meat.

Legolas is my avatar for a reason- I am good with a bow and can take care of myself.

I am opposed to the needless killing of wildlife. I do have a problem with people who kill for no reason, other than their own glorification and especially when it is a species that is endangered or vulnerable.

Being snide and full of yourself certainly does you no justice.

 

[eduardo89]

Maybe not politicians per se but their major funding is most likely government.

Source for that? Or just an unsubstantiated claim?

Pretty dicey territory- the lion is on the list of vulnerable animals. The lion population is guesstimated at around 80 Million right now- down from 200 million a few years ago. We just killed the last of the black rhinos- guess humans never learn.

Those numbers don't sound right...

There are an estimated 29,400 – 47,400 according to IUCN Red List of Threatened Species
http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/15951/0

This is are some good articles you should read:
Hunting as a conservation tool
Hunting Lions: Unpalatable but Necessary for Conservation
Saving Lions by Killing Them

 

[James Madison]

^Hope you don't spray weeds in the driveway.

 

[Origanalist]

Source for that? Or just an unsubstantiated claim?



Those numbers don't sound right...

There are an estimated 29,400 – 47,400 according to IUCN Red List of Threatened Species
http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/15951/0

This is are some good articles you should read:
Hunting as a conservation tool
Hunting Lions: Unpalatable but Necessary for Conservation
Saving Lions by Killing Them

That second article is what this quote was culled from.

According to Dr. Luke Hunter, the executive vice president of large cat conservation group Panthera, killing a prime male lion such as this one "disrupts the species’ complicated social structure. Prime male lions -- the most sought after trophies -- guard their females from pride takeovers by strange males. Takeovers are catastrophic to lionesses because victorious incoming males kill any cubs belonging to the previous pride males."

That means the death of a prime male, such as the one killed by Bachman, can lead to the death of an entire generation of cubs within a pride. With proper regulation, however, Hunter argues the practice of big game hunting, which costs hunters up to $125,000, can indeed help fund conservation efforts.

"The entire process that allows hunting big cats in Africa needs a complete overhaul to purge its widespread excesses and enforce far stricter limits on which lions can be hunted and how many," writes Hunter. "That would force hunters to produce the conservation benefits of which they constantly boast but only rarely produce."

Reading the whole article puts it in a bit of a different perspective.

 

[eduardo89]

That second article is what this quote was culled from.

Reading the whole article puts it in a bit of a different perspective.

Yeah, when you read it it's much different:

Indeed, it even has the potential to benefit lions. In Africa, sport hunting is the main revenue earner for huge tracts of wilderness outside national parks and reserves. Many such areas are too remote, undeveloped or disease-ridden for the average tourist, precluding their use for photographic safaris. Hunting survives because hunters are usually more tolerant of hardship, and they pay extraordinary sums- up to US$125,000- to shoot a male lion. The business requires only a handful of rifle-toting visitors to prosper which, in principle, helps protect those areas. The presence of hunting provides African governments with the economic argument to leave safari blocks as wilderness. Without it, cattle and crops- and the almost complete loss of wildlife they bring- start looking pretty attractive.

Which is why I’m not happy about the ESA petition. If American hunters, by far the largest market for big game safaris in Africa, can no longer hunt, lions and other wildlife will probably lose out. As unpalatable as it may be, until we find alternative mechanisms to generate the hard cash required to protect wilderness in Africa, hunting remains the most convincing model for many wild areas.

http://www.panthera.org/node/1253

 

[oyarde]

Nothing like sharing a lion steak or cape buffalo steak over an open fire in Rhodesia with an old Rhodesian Ridgeback after you gave him the day off and just did it yourself

 

[eduardo89]

Nothing like sharing a lion steak or cape buffalo steak over an open fire in Rhodesia with an old Rhodesian Ridgeback after you gave him the day off and just did it yourself

It's called Zimbabwe you racist! (that's what a girl from Zimbabwe/Rhodesia used to always say to me)

 

[Origanalist]

Yeah, when you read it it's much different:

Selective reporting, same ol' same old.

 

[eduardo89]

I think I'm going to start a savings account to go on a lion hunt. I just hope they aren't extinct by the time I save enough money.

 

[oyarde]

It's called Zimbabwe you racist! (that's what a girl from Zimbabwe/Rhodesia used to always say to me)

But my 12 Ga jungle rounds say Rhodesian on the box still and all the guys( white & black ) I drank with who were caught up in the bush war , liked it better before , lol

 

[eduardo89]

But my 12 Ga jungle rounds say Rhodesian on the box still and all the guys( white & black ) I drank with who were caught up in the bush war , liked it better before , lol

Well Mugabe has done such a great job with the place since he came into power, I wonder how anyone could ever not prefer it now?!?! I mean, Rhodesia was a net exporter of meat and grain, but now people are kazillionaires!!!

 

[oyarde]

I think I'm going to start a savings account to go on a lion hunt. I just hope they aren't extinct by the time I save enough money.

You should probably take me along .Nothing cooler than roasting some buffalo and listening to all the predators while you wait for dinner to cook , lol