Big Big Sell off in Gold?!?

Speaking of gold and silver, I have a good number of late 1800 double eagle gold coins and some morgan silver dollars. Any place online that knows what these are worth?

condition is huge, as is mint and year. If any of your Morgans ave a CC mintmark, it will go way higher then spot price.

a double eagle has .9675 ounces of gold, so that is your floor on the gold.

Normally you can go see what apmex is selling to get an idea of value, but their sight is crippled from demand right now.
 
:eek:This is all a bunch of nonsence! This violent sell off is indicative a bull market

Designed to shake out the weak players - keep the wall of worry durring this bull market

BUY SILVER BUY GOLD - Buy the Dip - Silver is becoming scarce!

Don't worry if you buy them and they go lower......

They did this in 1929. The bankers give an illusion that the bull market has started.

Once the suckers have bought all the horrible stock the massacre begins.
 
I agree my local coin shop stopped selling his gold and silver he is running low on. And with Apmex not being able to keep up with demand, what is going on here.


Our local coin shop said the same thing. That they are running low. This is interesting to say the least....
 
They did this in 1929. The bankers give an illusion that the bull market has started.

Once the suckers have bought all the horrible stock the massacre begins.

I think you are right, this gives the chances for the big players to get out with some profit before they end up like Bear Stearns.

Need to drive down the price of gold to convince the newcomers to Gold to go back to stocks, while the big players can pick up Gold at cheaper prices.
 
I called around the local shops looking for gold.. "sold out".. hmm. Best price I'm finding on the web is 960 for a 1Oz gold buffalo.
 
I think you are right, this gives the chances for the big players to get out with some profit before they end up like Bear Stearns.

Need to drive down the price of gold to convince the newcomers to Gold to go back to stocks, while the big players can pick up Gold at cheaper prices.

What does Bear Sterns have to worry about? They've got the Federal Reserve wiping their a$$es for them! Bailing them out! It's outrageous!
 
I called around the local shops looking for gold.. "sold out".. hmm. Best price I'm finding on the web is 960 for a 1Oz gold buffalo.

Guess its a good time to be in Alaska, as we have many independent miners working harder because of the higher price of gold. We wont have a shortage of gold here anytime soon. Now silver is a different story...
 
I am waiting from an order from APMEX, it will be no problem.

But, I received an email from them today.

"Precious Metals in short supply......"

"Due to the OVERWHELMING demand for precious metals, our online ordering system has been unable to keep up with our customers’ needs. We have had to disable the APMEX ordering system to allow us ample time to upgrade our site to accommodate the increased demand. We apologize for this temporary problem. In the mean time, we will be accepting telephone orders for the following items only as we have them available:

• 1 ounce Gold American Eagles
• 1 ounce Gold Canadian Maple Leafs
• 1 Ounce Gold Krugerrands
• 100 oz Silver Bars
• Misc Generic .999 Fine Silver
• 90% Coin Silver


During this time, we will have a minimum order of $5,000. We regret we have had to make this drastic change to our ordering process and rest assured, we are working expeditiously to correct the problem. As soon as we have our new site up and running, we will notify you via e-mail when you can again place orders online.

You may contact us during normal business hours Monday – Friday 7:30 am – 4:00 pm cst. (800) 375-9006

If you have existing orders with us, we have in-stock all items needed to fulfill your orders and are shipping them as scheduled. Once our new site is functional, we will be able to activate our complete inventory line again.



Respectfully,

Scott Thomas
President & CEO

www.APMEX.com"
 
I called around the local shops looking for gold.. "sold out".. hmm. Best price I'm finding on the web is 960 for a 1Oz gold buffalo.

Buffs sell at a higher premium - that sounds about right.

It is silver that I find crazy right now.

Based on spot, junk silver should be going for around 12.5 X Face Value, but it is actually selling for around 14-15 X face. So the market is still buying it up as if silver was over $21.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-roll-mercury-...ryZ11960QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This is the most recent auction closed with 90% in the description and it went at 15.2 X face value.
 
What does Bear Sterns have to worry about? They've got the Federal Reserve wiping their a$$es for them! Bailing them out! It's outrageous!

Most shareholders in Bear Stearns lost everything. JP morgan is the only one that came out sweet on that deal.....for now... JP MORGAN is an arm of the FED> they helped create it.
 
Guess its a good time to be in Alaska, as we have many independent miners working harder because of the higher price of gold. We wont have a shortage of gold here anytime soon. Now silver is a different story...


Yes, after the election I'm heading to my uncle's.

I have a claim there can produces match head size gold.

I will take a picture of the gold I found there soon.

Gotta build a trommel, buy a backhoe or dozer and sluice.
 
I also find interesting that the price of gold and silver are way low yet everywhere one seems to look supply can't keep up with demand. However, the experts are saying that after the Bear Stearns debacle, investment banks, hedge funds etc. are deleveraging their positions on precious metals and commodities. Sounds reasonable.
 
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http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/deleverage.asp

EDIT: The gist of it is, investment banks etc. were taking speculative positions on PMs/commodities. However, some fear that the upcoming recession will cause a decrease in demand for them, so they're selling off now for that reason but also to pay off debt. A lot of these guys were leveraged to the tune of 1:30... usually it's supposed to be around 1:10. Go here [and download Part 1 of "3rd Hour with Jim & John" for March 8, 2008] if want to learn more about the financial sector leveraging/deleveraging.
 
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Bloomberg says Bernanke Vindicated as Fed Lending Spurs Commodities Drop, Rally in Stocks

The top economists might disagree. The fed is engaging in very inflationary moves so down the road it could get worse because of this.
 
Ed Steer on last week's smashing of gold and silver

Just received this in my email:

Ed Steer on last week's smashing of gold and silver

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.

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By Ed Steer
Casey's Daily Resource Plus
CaseyResearch.com
Friday, March 21, 2008

On Thursday morning in the Far East, gold did little if anything until Hong Kong opened, where it promptly got sold off. It recovered somewhat until "that magic time" of 3 a.m. in New York and then got sold off hard right up until the London a.m. fix. Then it recovered slightly until the p.m. fix and then drifted lower until the 5:15 Eastern time when the Comex closed for the Easter long weekend. Gold's low for the day was the London a.m. fix.

Silver followed a slightly different route. It followed gold until "that magic time," then was sold off all the way through London and New York without much of a break, finishing on its lows of the day at the Comex close.

Open interest in gold for Wednesday fell 14,599 contracts. That's not as much as I was expecting. There are two possible reasons why this number appeared low. Firstly, not all the changes were actually reported; and secondly, there was probably a lot of shorting going on in conjunction with the short covering. It actually could be a combination of both.

The same goes for silver, whose open interest dropped only 4,643 contracts.

As I've mentioned before, when the Cartel orchestrates a huge smashdown like this, they try to mislead those of us who keep track of such things, by being devious about their methods -- first by under-reporting, and secondly (and almost without fail) they orchestrate their market interventions by starting on a Tuesday afternoon when the cut-off for Friday's commitment of traders report is already past so that their shenanigans won't show up until next Friday. And they love to do it most on the Tuesday immediately preceding options expiry -- which, in this case, is early next week.

I get the feeling that they'll dribble out the open interest data as slowly as they can, but everything will be reported in the COT next Friday -- not the one that's coming out on Monday for positions held as of Tuesday, March 18. There isn't one today, because it's a holiday. And lastly, the open interest numbers I report on Monday should be considerably bigger.

In gold news yesterday, there was this from The King Report:

"Bloomberg reported that LTCM founder John Meriwether’s bond fund lost 24% on recent credit woes. Rumors quickly spread that the fund was liquidating $1B worth of gold."

This is not the first time that Meriwether and gold have been mentioned in the same sentence. It was reported that when Long Term Capital Management went under in 1998, they were involved in the gold carry trade and were short around 300 metric tons of the stuff, and that was the real reason that LTCM got bailed -- to keep that information out of the public domain.

Now let’s talk about what you really want to hear: what happened yesterday.

Well, it was the continuation of what happened on Wednesday. Once the boys gave the overbought positions a big enough shove on Tuesday, the Cartel pulled their bids on gold and silver (plus all the other commodities they've got their fingers in) and down went the prices.

As I said, the 50-day moving averages for both metals were ripe for the picking, and they did exactly that, in spades! This was way more than I (and Ted Butler) thought they would do. I had a chat with Ted yesterday in the early afternoon, and he feels that this take-down way past the 50-day moving averages probably got between 90 and 95% of all the spec longs out there, with a few more to follow early next week. We both feel that the 200-day moving average is too much of a stretch for the Cartel right now.

With options expiry early next week, and first-day notice for delivery (gold) for the April contract on the 31st, things may be kept subdued until after the end of March, but it now appears that this painful (but oh so healthy) correction will soon be behind us. I said it was going to be quick. I mentioned on Wednesday that I was itching to invest the money that I'd taken off the table about a week ago, and I scratched that itch yesterday by re-investing every cent of it.

Well, the big story yesterday, which is spreading like wildfire on the Internet, is the sudden appearance of shortages in physical silver by the big wholesalers. Quite a few of them are no longer taking any orders at all for anything. There appear to be some 100-ounce bars around, but there's virtually nothing left in any other size anywhere.

I heard about this from my own dealer a couple of days back when he couldn't get an order filled from his U.S. supplier, and another large Vancouver dealer couldn't get silver out of A-Mark, and we were discussing it again with some urgency yesterday morning. However, before I could say anything about it on the Net, I got a copy of an e-mail that Jason Hommel at SilverStockReport.com had sent out. Shortly thereafter, the contents of the e-mail went up on over at Peter Spina's site, SilverSeek.com.

Since this news went out in the public domain, my dealer here in Edmonton has been overwhelmed by business he has only been able to partially fill. I would suspect that this is a scene that is being carried out at every coin and bullion shop throughout the English-speaking world right now. It would be my guess that by Monday there won't be an ounce of silver to be found anywhere -- and if there is, it will have a huge premium attached to it.

This all jibes with what Butler was saying in his latest commentary about the silver ETF being very slow in getting physical to meet its requirements. The U.S. Mint sales of silver eagles have gone through the roof in the last five months and they've run out of blanks a couple of times this year as well.

If this all turns out to be true, this silver pipeline will be very difficult to refill, as the back orders for physical silver of any kind will now be off the charts, as those fence-sitters who have been putting off purchasing because of the price, or because there was "always lots available" are now in a panic to get their hands on some.

Another thing Butler and I were talking about is that the "eight or less" silver traders who are short this mountain of silver have inside information as to how much physical silver really exists in good delivery form and at what price are probably more than aware of this unfolding situation. This is why gold and silver got hammered -- so they could cover as many short positions as possible before the inevitable upwards readjustment in price. Ted has always felt that this is how it would come to an end -- with one final smack to the downside --and this could have been it. As they say, we will find out in the fullness of time. Here's the silver commentary in question, and it's linked here:

http://news.silverseek.com/GoldIsMoney/1205995646.php

Since it's a long weekend and you probably have the time, here's another piece by Paul Craig Roberts entitled "A Bankrupt Super Power: The Collapse of American Power":

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts03182008.html

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."

-- Desmond Tutu.

Let's see now. ...For today's fun video, I've selected another piece of music from the early 1970s. To really get in the mood, you'll need platform shoes, bell-bottom pants (preferably polyester), frilly shirt, frizzy hair, and large gold chains (one with a "peace" symbol). A bottle of wine and a couple of hand-rolled pointy cigarettes would complete this ensemble. Once the pointy cigarettes and the wine have kicked in, click here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB17uWuBrL0

Have a wonderful long weekend. Enjoy it to the fullest, because as of Monday, it's "once more into the breach, dear friends" ... and "Peace be unto you" from all of us at Casey's Daily Resource Plus. See you Tuesday.

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Casey Research correspondent-at-large Ed Steer is a keen observer of the financial scene and a board member of GATA.org.

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This silver shortage is really disconcerting. Perhaps the shorts are covering a big spike at shortage??

Maybe I'll find a coin shop tomorrow and try to get some...
 
This silver shortage is really disconcerting. Perhaps the shorts are covering a big spike at shortage??

Maybe I'll find a coin shop tomorrow and try to get some...


Keep it quiet - local coin shops are selling - oldtimers are selling there stacks too
 
What is Behind This Sharp Correction in Gold

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1206338640.php
What is Behind This Sharp Correction in Gold



-- Posted Monday, 24 March 2008 | Digg This ArticleDigg It! | Source: GoldSeek.com

What caused such a vicious correction in commodities which took gold along for the ride? We have recently expressed concerns that sentiment became overly optimistic and a technical correction was needed to relieve overbought conditions.



But why was the correction so sharp? The main reason is that the de-leveraging process began to spread from financial paper, particularly mortgage backed securities, into other markets including the commodities sector. Stricter lending standards are causing traders to reduce overall positions, decrease risk and reduce their dependence on borrowed funds. Led by the hedge funds, the highly leveraged players started selling speculative positions in commodities. The correction happened in an instant as some hurried to take profits, while others were met with margin calls.



Excess cash was quickly funneled into the shortest maturity government debt – 3-month T-Bills, which typically approximate the fed funds rate set by the Federal Reserve. As a result, the T-Bill yields collapsed to a historic low of under 0.50%, light years away from the fed funds rate of 2.25%.

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The chart of the 3-month T-Bill yields above shows an extreme level of panic in the markets. Traders are operating by a philosophy of “sell first, think later,” dumping all of their proceeds into what is perceived to be the safest possible short term investment.



The flight to safety panic cannot continue much further and this unusual amount of cash sitting in T-Bills will have to find a home elsewhere. It will return to the most oversold sectors of the stock market, stabilizing precious metals and related stocks in the process.



This is an excerpt from the Resource Stock Guide Newsletter posted on March 22, 2008.



Boris Sobolev

Resource Stock Guide
 
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