Bicycle Licenses

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Bicycle Licenses…

by eric • April 16, 2015

http://ericpetersautos.com/2015/04/16/bicycle-licenses/

How come they don’t require bicyclists to have licenses – and carry insurance?

Put another way – in the language of Cloverism (authoritarian collectivism; see here for a fuller explanation) how come they’re allowed to ride free of such conditions and controls?

After all, drivers are not.

Shouldn’t consistency apply?

Operating a car is considered a conditional privilege – something you’re allowed to do, but only under certain terms and conditions. The government (a rhetorical sleight of hand; really, “government” is just other people who have various titles and have given themselves authority over you – unless you actually did consent, which you probably didn’t – to force you to do as they say) requires that drivers get licensed, have their vehicles inspected (and made a certain way) and carry insurance to “cover” the possibility of damage/harm they may cause.

Perhaps some clear-thinking person will be able to explain why the same terms and conditions ought not to apply to cyclists, too?

They, too, operate on the “public” roads (that is, owned by the government – or rather, owned by those people with titles who forcibly take your money and order you about and leave you very little in the way of free choice, transportation-wise or otherwise). How are we to know whether they’re “safe” to ride, without their having submitted to a government test of their abilities? They might be blind. They might not know the proverbial rules of the road. A prospective driver is required to demonstrate such knowledge – and will be denied permission to drive on the “public” roads if he incorrectly answers one too many of the questions on his driver’s license test. Yet no such test is required of cyclists before they are allowed to ride – may operate their vehicle on the “public” roads.

No flapdoodle, please, about bicycles not being a potential threat to “safety.”

Granted, a cyclist probably won’t do as much damage to your vehicle if he runs a light and runs into you. But the same is just as true – on a sliding scale – of a motorcycle or scooter. And their “operators” (in DMV-ese) are required to be licensed and insured.bicycle wreck

The insurance thing – the lack of requirement thereof, if you’re a cyclist – is particularly galling.

First, you might get hurt. It is certainly a very real possibility. Who will pay?

And, the fact is a cyclist is much more vulnerable than a driver – who, after all, is protected by a cocoon of steel. A minor fall or impact on a bike can have catastrophic consequences.

Society has an interest, does it not?

How can it be that a cyclist is allowed to ride without insurance?

And yet, they are allowed.

Even more obnoxious – in terms of the micromanagement by government of cars and drivers – is that cyclists are free to buy whatever type of bike they prefer, equipped as they like. Cycle manufacturers are not required to build bikes to government specifications. NHTSA and DOT – the massive federal regulatory bureaucracies that scrutinize, control and decree literally every aspect of motor vehicle design – are mute and indifferent when it comes to bicycles.

This is outrageous!

Well, it is inconsistent.

This is one of the problems with Cloverism (authoritarian collectivism). The collective is subjective. It is arbitrary. The force of government – the violence controlled by the people who control the apparatus of government – is directed willy-nilly at some individuals or groups or categories, but not others. There is no principle behind this scattershot application of violence other than the whim of the collective as expressed via the apparatus of government.

It is why – as a for-instance – there is not (yet) mandatory insurance for bicycle rider or gun (or step-ladder) owners. Notwithstanding that the same arguments wheeled out to justify mandatory car insurance apply just as logically to cyclists.

If, that is, logic were the deciding factor.

Submitted for your review:

* According to the Centers for Disease Control (same outfit that screeches guns – gun ownership – is a “public health issue”) bicycle riders “face a higher risk of crash-related injury and death than occupants of motor vehicles.”

Notwithstanding that “only 1 percent of all trips taken in the U.S. are by bicycle.”

* Each year, there are approximately half a million emergency room visits due to bicycle-related injuries.

Well, how about them apples? Riding a bicycle is not just “risky” – it is riskier than driving a car. A fact. Logically, then, there is a stronger argument for regulating – that is, controlling – how riders are allowed to ride. For mandatory bicycle licensing and insurance. For government-mandated bicycle “safety” equipment (helmets being just a start). How about tags and annual inspections? Hey, we’re just getting started!

It’s even more unfortunate, though, that morality isn’t a factor in these decisions made for us by others against our will – or at least, without our consent.

That is: What gives these others the moral right to interpose themselves – violently, never forget – and insist we do this, not do that… or else?

Underlying all of this Cloverific control freak-ism is a rejection of the increasingly quaint idea that grown adults are and ought to be responsible for themselves – and free to take decisions for themselves – without other adults pre-empting (and punishing) them. Typically, not for anything they’ve done, in terms of causing harm (or even threatening to) but because enough of these control freaks feel that a hypothetical “someone” might.

Thus, drivers are forced to submit to testing and licensing, to put tags on their vehicles and have them inspected, to carry insurance – and so on. Not because they – as discrete individuals – have caused any harm, imposed any costs on anyone. But because – as Clovers see it (as Clovers feel it) “someone” might.

Well, that same sauce is as good for the gander as it is for the goose. Let’s at least be consistent – and apply control-freakism generally and consistently.

No more free riding for cyclists.

Not if drivers aren’t allowed the same. Let’s make everyone miserable – and put each of us under someone else’s thumb. For “safety.” For the sake of “society.” For “the children.” It might just save a life!

No?

Then, how about the alternative.

Individual freedom – and individual responsibility.

Risk – and actual harm – would not not disappear. But at least, we’d be assuming our own risks, freely chosen – and only responsible for the harms we, as individuals, actually cause.

Of course, that’s an idea Clovers can’t abide.
 
Compared to what it takes to get a driver's license in Europe, we do practically give them to anybody.

Cars are more complicated to operate, larger, travel at much higher speeds, and are deadlier if operated improperly than bicycles are. Get hit by a bicycle and you are far less likely to die than if you get hit by a car.
 
Compared to what it takes to get a driver's license in Europe, we do practically give them to anybody.


Bad terminology of 1984's Newspeak. You're not giving anything to anybody. It's like using the word permit to describe a license.

I am not surprised to hear you say that though, since you are this site's big government advocate. Government does not "give" or "permit." Government can only take away.
 
Get drunk, ride a bike and swerve into a car. That's an alcohol related fatality. Part of the inflated statistics used by the NHTSA and echoed by MADD. If bike riders were licensed and insured then we could use societal pressure and monetary coercion to keep bicyclists in line. Let's do this!
 
There was some legislator dipshit in Albany proposing bicycle licenses in New York a couple years back. Wanted tags, insurance, the whole deal. I don't think it got far. Sort of surprised.

I lived in New York. They should be working to eliminate rent control/stabilization. They should be working to reduce government, instead of compounding the problem with more laws. Rent control leads to crowding, which affects every aspect of living. True rent would mean a much less crowded city.

And speaking of taxis. Nazi Giuliani had to even get involved with the type of clothing taxi drivers wore. Yeah, Republicans are for smaller government. Dumb fuck. :rolleyes:
 
There was some legislator dipshit in Albany proposing bicycle licenses in New York a couple years back. Wanted tags, insurance, the whole deal. I don't think it got far. Sort of surprised.

I lived in New York. They should be working to eliminate rent control/stabilization. They should be working to reduce government, instead of compounding the problem with more laws. Rent control leads to crowding, which affects every aspect of living. True rent would mean a much less crowded city.

And speaking of taxis. Nazi Giuliani had to even get involved with the type of clothing taxi drivers wore. Yeah, Republicans are for smaller government. Dumb fuck. :rolleyes:

Well, they can do it to motorcyclists...it was only a matter of time before they came after the cyclists. :(
 
one of the subjects seems to be getting disorderly, somebody report this man


I called the DMV a few years back inquiring about a "temporary license." Got a real piece of work on the other end of the phone. The cunny said in a contrary tone, "We don't issue a temporary license. We issue temporary permits!" I had to laugh, but probably should have given her some type of Patrick Henry quote. Ended up talking with the supervisor. A fairly nice guy, in a Howard Sprague of Mayberry sort of way. Had a few more go-arounds with them, but nothing monumental. I really do consider these people an enemy.
 
Would somebody please tell Eric Peters to stop giving those assholes ideas?!

They get the big bucks to dream that crap up. Stop doing their job for them already!
 
this is one license i wont buy ever. i suppose they can arrest my ass after one of my death rides. oprah only knows ill sure be tired enough.
 
Would somebody please tell Eric Peters to stop giving those assholes ideas?!

They get the big bucks to dream that crap up. Stop doing their job for them already!

My exact thoughts when reading the article.There is presently no requirement for an operators permit for a pleasure boat.

Right now,even if you have never even been on a boat before,you can go to a boat dealer,buy a boat capable of hitting 70~80 mph,gas it up,hit the nearest boat ramp and have at it,day or night and under any weather conditions.

Which is exactly as it should be!

We will see how long that lasts.
 
My exact thoughts when reading the article.There is presently no requirement for an operators permit for a pleasure boat.

Right now,even if you have never even been on a boat before,you can go to a boat dealer,buy a boat capable of hitting 70~80 mph,gas it up,hit the nearest boat ramp and have at it,day or night and under any weather conditions.

Which is exactly as it should be!

We will see how long that lasts.

They've been plugging for years now at that.

Most states now require a license to operate on state waters.
 
I had a bike when I was 15 , also two bows ,two hand guns , couple rifles and a few shotguns , a still , two cars , a pickup , some traps , fishing poles , it's all good , I was already paying taxes.No bike license , no gun permit , no drivers license , no hunting license , no fishing license , no trapping license , no duck stamp etc , but it is OK , I did have auto , life , medical , vision& dental insurance , I just wasted money on those :) , the rest I spent on beer , ammo , copper , silver etc
 
When will folks wake up and buy out of the state licensing scam... Acquiring a permission slip from the state for a" right" makes say citizen a sheppel...
Next they will want you to have a license to use your power tools or carving knife.. Or simply to stroll down the street.

My .02
Acesfull
 
this is one license i wont buy ever. i suppose they can arrest my ass after one of my death rides. oprah only knows ill sure be tired enough.

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