Best Case Scenario for Ron Paul

[Quantumystic]

I think it'll be easier to draw votes away from Hillary than from Obama, mainly because Obama's stance on Iraq is slightly less hawkish, so I'm still hoping for a Clinton victory. I think it's pretty much 50/50 at this point.

Probably, but Obama is going to win. Mark my words. When you look at Who the remaining states are... most of it ain't Hillary-friendly territory.

Obama has managed to own the "Change" factor over the Clintons, and Change is what America is demanding.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

there are deadlines coming up for any independent candidate. Ask Nader how fun it is to try to go independent.

the Green Party and the Constitution Party basically hate each other.

But they both oppose the Iraq war, defend civil liberties, and oppose the world bank.

The Libertarian Party and Constitution Party have both basically offered their nomination to Ron Paul.

There is a big difference between Ron Paul and Nader though. Ron Paul could actually garner support from the conservative community if given the choice between him and McCain.

As for Nader, I think being labeled as Green party canidate will always haunt him and basically helps people make up there decision about him without even hearing a word from his mouth. This is why I believe it is important for Dr. Paul to be independent. It will not push the right or the left away from voting for us.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

BARF!! A communist as VP? You're outta your frickin' mind! I would not vote for any ticket with that included that nutjob bitch...and I wouldn't be alone. Never going to happen.

Check this out, you may change your mind:

McKinney Grills Rumsfeld
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=13&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

[No1ButPaul08]

There is a big difference between Ron Paul and Nader though. Ron Paul could actually garner support from the conservative community if given the choice between him and McCain.

As for Nader, I think being labeled as Green party canidate will always haunt him and basically helps people make up there decision about him without even hearing a word from his mouth. This is why I believe it is important for Dr. Paul to be independent. It will not push the right or the left away from voting for us.

I think it was the google interview, but RP said that Nader would make a great private consumer advocate in a free society

 

[JordanQ72]

This will be a brokered convention. McCain will not get the National Delegates required before the convention.

I still haven't seen any solid reasoning for this. He needs about 400 out of the 1100 outstanding. What makes you believe he can't do this?

 

[morerocklesstalk]

I think it was the google interview, but RP said that Nader would make a great private consumer advocate in a free society

Right, that is basically what he does. The problem is when you get someone like that in the white house. We will have warning stickers and lawsuits everywhere.

 

[davidt!]

I still haven't seen any solid reasoning for this. He needs about 400 out of the 1100 outstanding. What makes you believe he can't do this?

I agree, our first priority needs to be to make sure that McCrazy doesn't get to 1,190. Even if that means RP supporters vote for Huck or Romney in key states.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

I still haven't seen any solid reasoning for this. He needs about 400 out of the 1100 outstanding. What makes you believe he can't do this?

I'm with you here. People just blindly state it will be a brokered convention when the odds of that happening as they stand right now are about 5-10%. He also has the momentum. It can be done however, I'm going through state by state right now and trying to see what can be done to try and get to a brokered convention

 

[TastyWheat]

Since McCain is leading a 3rd-party/independent run may be his best shot at this moment. Think about it. 2 liberals and 1 conservative running for president.

 

[Soccrmastr]

Just hope for a brokered convention!

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

I am still skeptical about the benefits of a brokered convention.

1) I don't believe being kingmaker between three pro-war socialist "republicans" does us any good. They are not going to adopt RP's policies. Maybe monetary reform, but that would be the only one and might happen anyway now that RP has forced the issue.

2) Let's say by some incredible campaiging we manage to 1) get a brokered convention, 2) prevent McCain and Huck from striking the deal we all know they are planning and 3) force enough rounds of voting to let the delegates become unbound. Then what? Those delegates are the most staunch, pro-war neo-cons in the party. If I were a delegate I would vote for RP, but I think our odds of converting even a handful of the other guys' delegates are slim at best.

I'm in favor of RP announcing an Independent run within the next month or so. I could also be convinced of the utility of hanging around for 4 more years as a Republican to run again in 2012. But I think his age (76 in 2012 if I'm not mistaken) puts him 4 years beyond even Reagan in his second white house run. Also, Hillary/Obama will probably be in the white house then, so the anti-war fervor may very well recede. Then again, we may bomb Iran. Who knows anymore?

I'm in 100% whatever RP decides to do.

 

[affa]

Check this out, you may change your mind:

McKinney Grills Rumsfeld
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=13&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

I like her.

 

[ronpaulitician]

I am still skeptical about the benefits of a brokered convention.

1) I don't believe being kingmaker between three pro-war socialist "republicans" does us any good. They are not going to adopt RP's policies. Maybe monetary reform, but that would be the only one and might happen anyway now that RP has forced the issue.

2) Let's say by some incredible campaiging we manage to 1) get a brokered convention, 2) prevent McCain and Huck from striking the deal we all know they are planning and 3) force enough rounds of voting to let the delegates become unbound. Then what? Those delegates are the most staunch, pro-war neo-cons in the party. If I were a delegate I would vote for RP, but I think our odds of converting even a handful of the other guys' delegates are slim at best.

I'm in favor of RP announcing an Independent run within the next month or so. I could also be convinced of the utility of hanging around for 4 more years as a Republican to run again in 2012. But I think his age (76 in 2012 if I'm not mistaken) puts him 4 years beyond even Reagan in his second white house run. Also, Hillary/Obama will probably be in the white house then, so the anti-war fervor may very well recede. Then again, we may bomb Iran. Who knows anymore?

I'm in 100% whatever RP decides to do.

What he (she?) said.

 

[noztnac]

Screw the kingmaker scenario. None of those jackasses is worthy of being king and any of them will get stomped in the general election anyway. It's time for a third party run.

 

[bobmurph]

The LP national convention is on Memorial Day weekend in Denvver, CO. If RP were really going to run 3rd party, the best strategy, in my opinion, would be to get Cynthia McKinney as a VP. She is Ron's old colleague from congress and is running with the Green Party. This would unite the three major third parties, (and what's left of the reform party). Or get Nader to be his VP.

Cynthia McKinney? Cynthia-fucking-McKinney???? Are you effing serious? Did Ron associate himself w/ this worthless excuse for a congresswoman when they were in congress together?? If so it really changes my opinion of him.

 

[bobmurph]

For some reason I thought I heard Mckinney was crazy.

She's the crazy bitch that attacked a Capitol Police officer and played the race card when she blew past a metal detector in a congressional office building while not wearing proper identification.

 

[Eponym_mi]

Check this out, you may change your mind:

McKinney Grills Rumsfeld

Nope...she is a pathetic nutjob.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

If I were a delegate I would vote for RP, but I think our odds of converting even a handful of the other guys' delegates are slim at best.

They aren't really the other guys' delegates in some cases once it becomes brokered. Hopefully, a lot of delegates pledged to another candidate are really ron paul supporters at heart. This is what the whole becoming a delegate thing is about. I can't remember which state but someone on here said it was really easy to become a delegate in their state. This person is pledged to whoever won his state or district, but when the convention is brokered, they are pledged to RP