Bernie Sanders wrote an essay saying that women fantasize about rape

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WASHINGTON — Just as Sen. Bernie Sanders’ progressive presidential challenge to Hillary Clinton is gaining steam, an old essay of his has surfaced in which he says women fantasize “being raped by 3 men simultaneously.”

“A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused,” Sanders, 73, wrote in 1972 for an alternative newspaper called the Vermont Freeman.

“A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.”

In another part of the article he wrote:
“Do you know why the newspapers with articles like ‘Girl, 12, raped by 14 men’ sell so well? To what in us are they appealing?”
Sanders was 30 at the time and was running for both the US Senate and governor of Vermont on the leftist Liberty Union Party line.
Sanders’ campaign is now trying to distance him from the article, calling it a “dumb attempt at dark satire in an alternative publication intended to attack gender stereotypes in the 1970s” that in “no way reflects his views or record on women.”
“It looks as stupid today as it was then,” said spokesman Michael Briggs.
More at link:
http://nypost.com/2015/05/29/bernie-sanders-wrote-an-essay-saying-that-women-fantasize-about-rape/
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Well, he's right, some women do fantasize about being raped.

The idea of being raped is very scary, no doubt, but it is also flattering.
 
I really want to see this guy (Sanders) crash and burn, regardless of who (Clinton, Biden, etc.) wins the Democratic presidential nomination.
 
I still can't help but think that if there were more than two dozen people in the nation who knew who O'Malley, Webb and maybe Chaffee were, no one would care if Biden was thinking of jumping in or not, and Clinton would by flaming out, and Sanders would be universally considered to be the joke he is.

Oh, and Bernie, there may be women in the world who fantasize about that. But not with you.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Already came out. Never got any traction.
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I saw the date on the article was from May, and was surprised I hadn't heard of it before.

I sometimes wonder about stuff like this. To get "traction" all you would need is Rush, Hannity, and Beck making it an issue every single day. If they did talk about it nonstop that is all everybody would talk about. I don't think that this remark said that many years ago is necessarily a deal breaker for most democrats. I'm more of commenting on the whims of the MSM and the power it has over the electorate.

Same with Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012. They dismissed him as not having a chance even in early 2007. If they had said he had a chance, people would have believed them. Those last two election have left me cynical and with little hope for the American people to ever wake up
 
RJB said:
I saw the date on the article was from May, and was surprised I hadn't heard of it before.
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Sanders isn't considered relevant enough by the big dogs to bother with this right now. If he's polling well in January 2016, or wins the Democratic nomination, this will be all over the place.

Recall the Ron Paul newsletters weren't made a thing in the 2012 race until mid-December of 2011, with Hannity going on the attack over them with Jeffrey Lord on Hannity's radio show, coincidentally right after the first poll showing Ron Paul leading in the Iowa Caucus. They had all the time in the world to bring those newsletters up again, but it wasn't trotted out until after that poll and three weeks before the Iowa Caucus vote.
 
dannno said:
Well, he's right, some women do fantasize about being raped.

The idea of being raped is very scary, no doubt, but it is also flattering.
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You sound like a man who fantasizes about women who fantasize about rape.
 
RJB said:
You sound like a man who fantasizes about women who fantasize about rape.
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He sounds to me more like a man who fantasizes about women who fantasize about rape fantasizing about him at the same time.

But not nearly as much as Sanders does.
 
Well... He's right. I've done "rape play" before, and every single time it was the girl's idea. Obviously not all women like that, but more do than you might think.
 
RJB said:
You sound like a man who fantasizes about women who fantasize about rape.
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Nah I usually fantasize about women who want me pretty bad. Occasionally I'll fantasize about extremely hot women who don't really want me that bad, but enjoy the power trip.

Some women get off on having stalkers, too. They will even imagine it up if they have to. Sure, it's scary, but it also makes them feel wanted. Have you ever known any?
 
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dannno said:
Nah I usually fantasize about women who want me pretty bad. Occasionally I'll fantasize about extremely hot women who don't really want me that bad, but enjoy the power trip.

Some women get off on having stalkers, too. They will even imagine it up if they have to. Sure, it's scary, but it also makes them feel wanted. Have you ever known any?
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Maybe. I could never figure them out. (probably because everyone of them is an individual) That's why I'm sticking with my wife 'til I die. I love her and also she figured me out as much as anyone could and she still loves me :)
 
RonPaulFanInGA said:
Sanders isn't considered relevant enough by the big dogs to bother with this right now. If he's polling well in January 2016, or wins the Democratic nomination, this will be all over the place.

Recall the Ron Paul newsletters weren't made a thing in the 2012 race until mid-December of 2011, with Hannity going on the attack over them with Jeffrey Lord on Hannity's radio show, coincidentally right after the first poll showing Ron Paul leading in the Iowa Caucus. They had all the time in the world to bring those newsletters up again, but it wasn't trotted out until after that poll and three weeks before the Iowa Caucus vote.
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Exactly right. Good memory. If Bernie is looking to win believe me Hillary will bring this up, if not her supporter newsmen will.
 
RonPaulFanInGA said:
Sanders isn't considered relevant enough by the big dogs to bother with this right now. If he's polling well in January 2016, or wins the Democratic nomination, this will be all over the place.

Recall the Ron Paul newsletters weren't made a thing in the 2012 race until mid-December of 2011, with Hannity going on the attack over them with Jeffrey Lord on Hannity's radio show, coincidentally right after the first poll showing Ron Paul leading in the Iowa Caucus. They had all the time in the world to bring those newsletters up again, but it wasn't trotted out until after that poll and three weeks before the Iowa Caucus vote.
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Add this:

Ron Paul newsletter controversy
Main article: Ron Paul newsletters

In early 2007, several political commentators, including Ryan Sager of The New York Sun,[67] David Weigel of Reason magazine,[68] and blogger Edward Morrissey of Captain's Quarters,[69] published articles discussing politically oriented newsletters that had been published under Paul's name in the 1980s and 1990s and that had been the subject of controversy in Paul's 1996 congressional campaign. However, at that early stage in the 2008 presidential campaign, the newsletters controversy attracted little attention.

That changed on January 8, 2008, the day of the New Hampshire primary, when The New Republic published a story by James Kirchick filled with quotes from the newsletters.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_presidential_campaign,_2008#Ron_Paul_newsletter_controversy
 
1. He wrote it 43 years ago.
2. He never said that "women" as a whole fantasize about rape, but rather implied that some women fantasize about rape, which while politically incorrect, is true.
3. If I recall correctly, it was written mostly in hypothetical.

The Ron Paul Newsletter stuff may have been true but it was also deliberately provocative, trying to draw from racial tension felt by a certain group of White Americans. Likely he didn't even write it, but it has his name on it and does a lot of broad-brush painting.

While it may and will be used against him, I doubt it will have near the traction of the newsletters.
 
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I agree. I do think this is better:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?478161-Bernie-the-Bomber%92s-Bad-Week


Anti-Neocon said:
1. He wrote it 43 years ago.
2. He never said that "women" as a whole fantasize about rape, but rather implied that some women fantasize about rape, which while politically incorrect, is true.
3. If I recall correctly, it was written mostly in hypothetical.

The Ron Paul Newsletter stuff may have been true but it was also deliberately provocative, trying to draw from racial tension felt by a certain group of White Americans. Likely he didn't even write it, but it has his name on it and does a lot of broad-brush painting.

While it may and will be used against him, I doubt it will have near the traction of the newsletters.
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The 'Obama is a Kenyan' thing started with the Clinton campaign. Her campaign will absolutely use this if they feel threatened.
 
RJB said:
I agree. I do think this is better:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?478161-Bernie-the-Bomber%92s-Bad-Week
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Against Rand, sure. In the Democratic primary he's still way more of the "peace candidate" than Hillary in the medium information voters' mind for opposing the Iraq War, and it will probably be looked at on a more relative scale.

I don't know why we'd be worried about the Democratic primary though. I'd actually think strategically for us he'd be better off winning because:
a) he's easier to beat in the general election
b) his nomination at least temporarily helps to quiet the notion that so-called gadflies can't win a major nomination
 
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