Bernie Sanders leads in CA-NH and NV in new polls

[donnay]

You think they have so much control that they can make it appear that she won the popular vote but not enough to make it appear that she won Ohio or Florida? Trump only beat Hillary in Florida by 1.2%.

Did they steal and manipulate votes from Bernie last time around or have you forgotten?

 

[jmdrake]

Did they steal and manipulate votes from Bernie last time around or have you forgotten?

There's no evidence that I have seen from the Wikileaks emails or anywhere else of actual vote stealing. There was evidence that her friends in the media manipulated the narrative, including pushing Donald Trump in the GOP nomination (did you forget that?) as well as that she was fed poll questions ahead of time by Donna Brazille. If you know of evidence anywhere that shows she actually got votes in voting machines flipped from Bernie to her than please share that. But then again you are left with the logical problem that you failed to address. Why would Hillary steal votes from Trump only in states where it didn't matter? Again THAT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE!

 

[Anti Federalist]

So? Not every person learns every lesson. The way Ron Paul brought people together was not by pushing the typical GOP talking points but by standing up against the military industrial complex and the regime change wars. Right now the loudest voice against regime change wars is Tulsi Gabbard but in throughout 2016 it was Bernie Sanders. (And I'm not counting Rand Paul simply because he didn't last that long). When Ron Paul didn't get the nomination in 2008 he had the joint press conference with Ralph Nader, Chuck Baldwin and Cynthia McKinney because he understood that those three candidates were supported by people in his base even though only Chuck Baldwin was close to Ron Paul on all issues. Now you'll hear even some republicans talking about ending regime change wars. So the education campaign has been successful.

I'm not gonna let my sour grapes and my shitty outlook guide the discussion here, suffice to say I recognize it for what it is.

But the anti-war faction that is following Bernie is tiny, compared to "gimmee free stuff" and, "let's burn it all down" contingents.

 

[disgruntled lurker]

Amid National Surge, New Poll Shows Bernie Sanders Top Democrat in New Hampshire

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ows-bernie-sanders-top-democrat-new-hampshire

According to the Emerson poll released Tuesday, (26 Nov) Sanders is now in first place with 26% followed by South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg in second with 22%, and former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren tied for third with 14% each.

I wouldn't draw any sweeping conclusions from a poll that only includes people named Emerson.

 

[donnay]

There's no evidence that I have seen from the Wikileaks emails or anywhere else of actual vote stealing. There was evidence that her friends in the media manipulated the narrative, including pushing Donald Trump in the GOP nomination (did you forget that?) as well as that she was fed poll questions ahead of time by Donna Brazille. If you know of evidence anywhere that shows she actually got votes in voting machines flipped from Bernie to her than please share that. But then again you are left with the logical problem that you failed to address. Why would Hillary steal votes from Trump only in states where it didn't matter? Again THAT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE!

I didn't say they stole from Trump, re-read what I wrote above.

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Hillary Cheated
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...entary/commentary_by_ted_rall/hillary_cheated

HILLARY CLINTON ROBBED BERNIE SANDERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION, ACCORDING TO DONNA BRAZILE
https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-robbed-sanders-dnc-brazile-699421

 

[jmdrake]

I didn't say they stole from Trump, re-read what I wrote above.

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Hillary Cheated
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...entary/commentary_by_ted_rall/hillary_cheated

HILLARY CLINTON ROBBED BERNIE SANDERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION, ACCORDING TO DONNA BRAZILE
https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-robbed-sanders-dnc-brazile-699421

So let me see if I understand you. You believe that last time the establishment rigged it all for Hillary Clinton and this time they're rigging it all for Bernie Sanders?

Once again...



The process was being rigged for Joe Biden, but the Trump impeachment hearings have caused Biden to tank. That and Biden's own gaffs in the debates and on the stump. It's only logical that Bernie who was in 2nd place behind Biden might move into first.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm not gonna let my sour grapes and my $#@!ty outlook guide the discussion here, suffice to say I recognize it for what it is.

But the anti-war faction that is following Bernie is tiny, compared to "gimmee free stuff" and, "let's burn it all down" contingents.

I don't think it's fair to count the "let's burn it all down" contingent in this because that's a sentiment I heard from Ron Paul turned Trump supporters as well.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You think they have so much control that they can make it appear that she won the popular vote but not enough to make it appear that she won Ohio or Florida? Trump only beat Hillary in Florida by 1.2%.

They aren't the only players on the field.
Certain states were unrigged.

 

[donnay]

So let me see if I understand you. You believe that last time the establishment rigged it all for Hillary Clinton and this time they're rigging it all for Bernie Sanders?

Once again...



The process was being rigged for Joe Biden, but the Trump impeachment hearings have caused Biden to tank. That and Biden's own gaffs in the debates and on the stump. It's only logical that Bernie who was in 2nd place behind Biden might move into first.

No that is NOT what I am saying. I am saying that Hillary and the DNC stole it from Bernie last time. Just like Mitt Romney stole the votes (especially in Maine) from Ron Paul in 2012.

To go a step further, nationally, you should watch "Hacking Democracy" if you do not think the votes can be rigged. The only way a candidate can seriously win is by a landslide--but that isn't foolproof either. This is another reason why the Dems are calling for the end of the electoral college.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

More evidence that progressive socialism, 'diversity is our strength', liberalism models are popular among masses lately.

Trump can't tell difference between his platform and Sanders'

Sanders supporters vow to support Trump if Bernie isn’t the nominee



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[jmdrake]

No that is NOT what I am saying. I am saying that Hillary and the DNC stole it from Bernie last time. Just like Mitt Romney stole the votes (especially in Maine) from Ron Paul in 2012.

To go a step further, nationally, you should watch "Hacking Democracy" if you do not think the votes can be rigged. The only way a candidate can seriously win is by a landslide--but that isn't foolproof either. This is another reason why the Dems are calling for the end of the electoral college.

Oh I'm sure votes can be rigged, hacked etc. I may have known that before you did. But if Hillary had the apparatus in place to flip votes in voting machines it would have made sense for her to actually do enough of that in Ohio to win. You keep ignoring that fact. Whatever. Back to the topic at hand. Bernie is polling well and those polls are most likely accurate.

 

[donnay]

Oh I'm sure votes can be rigged, hacked etc. I may have known that before you did. But if Hillary had the apparatus in place to flip votes in voting machines it would have made sense for her to actually do enough of that in Ohio to win. You keep ignoring that fact. Whatever. Back to the topic at hand. Bernie is polling well and those polls are most likely accurate.

Yeah go back to the topic of believing polls.

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah go back to the topic of believing polls.

Oh. I'm sorry. Am I messing up your pathetic attempt to derail AF's thread? My bad.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh. I'm sorry. Am I messing up your pathetic attempt to derail AF's thread? My bad.

She's not the pathetic one.

And you are still ignoring my point that what can be rigged can also be unrigged.

 

[jmdrake]

She's not the pathetic one.

I didn't call her pathetic. I called her attempt pathetic. I see you want to derail the thread too.

And you are still ignoring my point that what can be rigged can also be unrigged.

Is there a law that I have to participate in your pathetic attempts to derail AF's thread? And when you make competent points I typically address them. This one isn't even competent. Also none of her links regarding how the nomination was stolen from Bernie involved vote flipping. Yes vote flipping can happen. No evidence has been presented by anyone that it happened against Bernie. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Non sequitur.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh I'm sure votes can be rigged, hacked etc. I may have known that before you did. But if Hillary had the apparatus in place to flip votes in voting machines it would have made sense for her to actually do enough of that in Ohio to win. You keep ignoring that fact. Whatever. Back to the topic at hand. Bernie is polling well and those polls are most likely accurate.

Exactly my point...there needs to be a realization that a sizable chunk of the population, perhaps a chunk large enough to elect a president, are supporting a for real, old timey, communist.

We need to understand that and deal with it.

Primarily with coming to the conclusion that we cannot fix this or educate this any more.

It is time to Divide or Die.

Secession now.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Exactly my point...there needs to be a realization that a sizable chunk of the population, perhaps a chunk large enough to elect a president, are supporting a for real, old timey, communist.

We need to understand that and deal with it.

Primarily with coming to the conclusion that we cannot fix this or educate this any more.

It is time to Divide or Die.

Secession now.

^^^This^^^is true even if the polls are lying to a great extent.
And Bernie isn't the only communist, even if you make maximum allowances for voter fraud etc. at least 1/3rd of the population is communist and many more are open to communism.

 

[jmdrake]

Exactly my point...there needs to be a realization that a sizable chunk of the population, perhaps a chunk large enough to elect a president, are supporting a for real, old timey, communist.

We need to understand that and deal with it.

Primarily with coming to the conclusion that we cannot fix this or educate this any more.

It is time to Divide or Die.

Secession now.

But you have "drunk monkey Trump" to thank for that. Here's how. Just a few months ago Joe Biden was kicking Bernie Sanders a$$. It's the Trump takedown of Joe "Burisma" Biden that has killed him in the polls. Come on. Isn't that obvious to everyone? Elizabeth Warren is an embarrassment as a candidate, having been shut down by a heckler from a friendly crowd and having to be rescued by a supporter.



And Pete Bootyjudge (sp?), while being a total neolib war monger and supported by the establishment, can get enough black support because he's gay. When I talk to my black democrat friends about if they're going to vote for him if he somehow gets the nomination they just give me this "Why in the hell are you asking me that question" look. It's a thought they don't even want to contemplate. Yeah...blacks were willing to give Obama a pass on all the pro LGBT things he did, while not actually doing anything directly for black people (Trump has actually done more....but don't tell anyone that), but many are not ready to actually vote for an openly gay man for president.

CNN is in denial about this by the way and are coming up with every other excuse for mayor Pete's failure to connect.



Van Jones address the elephant in the room...but everybody else is like "Maybe he need to go to Morehouse and take some pictures with black people."

So...Bernie is winning by default.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Bernie is winning by default.

OK, fair enough points addressing the current race as it stands.

But Bernie was winning in 2016, before all these other clowns and before Trump as POTUS.

There is just no denying that there is large, possibly large enough to elect a president, voting bloc out there that are flat out, for real, USSR style commies.

 

[jmdrake]

OK, fair enough points addressing the current race as it stands.

But Bernie was winning in 2016, before all these other clowns and before Trump as POTUS.

There is just no denying that there is large, possibly large enough to elect a president, voting bloc out there that are flat out, for real, USSR style commies.

Considering that his only real competition in 2016 was Hillary "superpredator" and "I keep hot sauce in my purse to pander to blacks" Clinton, why is that at all surprising? Do you honestly think that Michelle Obama couldn't have snatched the crown from both Bernie and Hillary if she had jumped in? Or Joe Biden?

Also consider this. Do you know what both Occupy Wall Street on the left and the early Tea Party movement on the right had in common? Understandable anger towards the TARP bailout and the "too big to fail" banks. People in general know they're being screwed. They just think it's the other guy's party doing it. Such people are easily manipulated to their own pet issues.