Bernie Sanders explodes a right-wing myth: ‘Open borders? No, that’s a Koch brothers proposal’

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Bernie Sanders explodes a right-wing myth: ‘Open borders? No, that’s a Koch brothers proposal’

https://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/be...en-borders-no-thats-a-koch-brothers-proposal/

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said the immigration debate is framed exactly wrong.

Republicans vilify President Barack Obama for supposedly opening the border to ever-increasing multitudes of immigrants, legally or otherwise, but the Democratic presidential candidate said blame is cast in the wrong direction, reported Vox.
“Open borders? No, that’s a Koch brothers proposal,” Sanders said in a wide-ranging interview with the website. “That’s a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States.”

“What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy,” Sanders said. “Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour — that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, (and) I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.”
 
This is probably the best reason why this movement should never attached minorities with socialists.
 
If Nick Gillespie ran against Bernie Sanders he's probably get 30% of the Hispanic vote and 55% of the white vote, while Sanders wins a landslide.
 
Nice try Bernie. Completely ignoring the leftist push for massive immigration will not make it go away, or erase this long-standing fact.

On the other hand, Bernie has tapped into the same undercurrent that Trump has, and both are riding high on the wave.
 
The crazy factor was just given a massive boost thanks to Vermont's resident crackpot. Granted, he might not favor open borders, but he's the only guy I know of in the Democratic National Party who isn't.
 
The crazy factor was just given a massive boost thanks to Vermont's resident crackpot. Granted, he might not favor open borders, but he's the only guy I know of in the Democratic National Party who isn't.

Problem is despite his rhetoric, he was actually in favor of the Gang of Eight Amnesty bill. So while his words are great, his actions suck. Sanders is to Immigration what Establishment Republicans are to Cutting Government. I appreciate the fact he's at saying the right things, but the country needs somebody who we can trust to back those words up with action, and Sanders is not that man.
 
Here's the response from Reason (and no doubt the Koch/Beltway Libertarian/SFL crowd too).

Apparently they agree with leftist Ezra Klein, and somehow the US is responsible for the "well-being" of people in other nations.

On Immigration, Bernie Sanders Sounds Like Donald Trump
Says relaxing immigration restrictions is a right-wing Koch plot.

Robby Soave|Jul. 28, 2015

Sen. Bernie Sanders calls himself an internationalist democratic socialist, wants a $15 an hour minimum wage, would make college tuition “free,” likes single-payer healthcare… and utterly opposes relaxing stringent immigration laws because that’s something rightwing corporate billionaires support.

The far-left presidential candidate recently elaborated on these views during a sit-down interview with Vox Editor-in-Chief Ezra Klein. A particularly illuminating moment:

Ezra Klein: You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the US are considered out of political bounds. Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. About sharply increasing ...

Bernie Sanders: Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal.

Ezra Klein: Really?

Bernie Sanders: Of course. That's a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States. ...

Ezra Klein: But it would make ...

Bernie Sanders: Excuse me ...

Ezra Klein: It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?

Bernie Sanders: It would make everybody in America poorer —you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.
To his credit, Klein pushed back by pointing out that the poor people of the United States are actually quite wealthy when compared with the poor people of other countries. But Sanders maintained that his first obligation as a senator from Vermont was to defend American workers from the scourge of foreigners taking their jobs.
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Sanders has a long history of fighting efforts to reform immigration laws on the grounds that immigrants hurt the economy and depress American workers’ wages. But as Reason’s Shikha Dalmia has long-argued, this view is at odds with the consensus among economists that more immigration is better for the economy, has a positive effect on wages, and creates jobs.

But for “internationalist” socialist Democrat Sanders, hatred of the rich outweighs concern for the material well-being of the world’s poor.
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http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/28/on-immigration-bernie-sanders-sounds-lik
 
Problem is despite his rhetoric, he was actually in favor of the Gang of Eight Amnesty bill. So while his words are great, his actions suck. Sanders is to Immigration what Establishment Republicans are to Cutting Government. I appreciate the fact he's at saying the right things, but the country needs somebody who we can trust to back those words up with action, and Sanders is not that man.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I vote for Sanders, largely because of his idiotic social views and his anti-market ideology.
 
The lines are so muddled now, and the factions so split, the idiocracy so strong that no coalescing around a set of principles, candidate or party will be possible.

Allowing the ruling class to continue their plans for dissolution unhampered.

Which was the plan all along.
 
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The lines are so muddled now, and the factions so split, the idiocracy so strong that no coalescing around a set of principles, candidate or party will be possible.

Allowing the ruling class to continue their plans for dissolution unhampered.

Which was the plan all along.

Can we just fast forward to the resolution?
 
Queue white nationalist support for Sanders in 3.......2............
 
Sanders v. Klein on immigration: The old Left against the adolescent Left

Sanders v. Klein on immigration: The old Left against the adolescent Left
By Ian Smith - August 12, 2015

The recent fiery to-and-fro between old-style social democrat Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), and Vox-founder Ezra Klein was a perfect illustration of just how long it’s been since the Left was right on immigration. Klein, an immigration-novice who once stated we need open-borders or else the quality of Chinese restaurants would decline, attempted to rebut Sanders’ once-uncontroversial notion that excessive immigration depresses wages, by touting the increasingly popular, yet evidence-free, idea that an open-borders policy can actually solve global inequality. Although Klein’s response was less thoughtful assessment, more emotional spasm, it’s become standard argumentation for contemporary facts-be-damned Democrats.

Refuting Sanders’ argument that “open-borders” debases American sovereignty and hurts working people, Klein stated that the question was really a more ‘philosophical’ one. By making the “global poor richer”, he said, what immigration policy should really be based on is a ‘weighting’ between national sovereignty and global inequities. This overly moralistic but increasingly common position is a major subject of a new book on immigration: How Many Is Too Many? by Philip Cafaro. A philosophy professor himself, as well as a progressive against open-borders, Cafaro pillories his fellow leftists when they apply “overly abstract” and “highly general ethical principles” to a “particular policy issue in a specific time and place.” This usually shows, he writes, they have “little apparent understanding of the effects [such] proposals might have on the people living in that society.” This is indeed a fair sketch of the left today.

This wasn’t always the case, however. Progressives who understood the ironclad rule of economics that increasing labor supply decreases wages have included such notable names as Barbara Jordan, Cesar Chavez, Coretta Scott King, Ralph Nader, Gene McCarthy, Arthur Schlesinger, Glenn Greenwald (more on him below) and Michael Lind. By sidestepping such cause-and-effect basics, open-borders liberals like Klein are fast-becoming the creationists of labor economics.
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Putting people in foreign countries before your fellow citizens is actually an old phenomenon. Psychologists call it ‘xenophilia.’ Charles Dickens called it “Telescopic Philanthropy”, in his portrayal of Bleak House’s Mrs. Jellyby who disregarded her duties as a mother to obsess over the ordeals of an obscure tribe in faraway Africa. Viewing immigration as a form of foreign aid is modern day Telescopic Philanthropy.

Most revealing about the Vox interview was Klein’s refusal to confront Sanders’ points directly. Instead, Vox editorialists simply sidestepped the issue and labelled Sanders’ views as “ugly.” Want to control who comes here? Believe in national sovereignty? You’re ugly.
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More: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...tion-the-old-left-against-the-adolescent-left
 
Bernie Sanders' Anti-Immigration Crankery

Ezra Klein has a revealing interview with Senator Bernie Sanders today at Vox. Sanders’ views on immigration jumped out as a particularly baffling eruption of economic illiteracy, political tribalism, xenophobic nationalism, and general silliness:

Ezra Klein
You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the US are considered out of political bounds. Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. About sharply increasing ...

Bernie Sanders
Open borders? No, that’s a Koch brothers proposal.

Ezra Klein
Really?

Bernie Sanders
Of course. That’s a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States. ...

Ezra Klein
But it would make ...

Bernie Sanders
Excuse me ...

Ezra Klein
It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn’t it?
http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/bernie-sanders-anti-immigration-crankery/

-virgil
 
Sanders is a complete fraud on immigration. He was licking Jorge Ramo's behind days after that interview. The guy can't even stand up to two female hecklers and you guys really believe he'd be able to stand up to Wall Street and the Entire Political Establishment when it comes to immigration? Laughable. Fortunately he has no chance at the Democratic nomination anyway, so this whole discussion is moot. The Democratic nominee is sure to be an open and shameless supporter of open borders.
 
Sanders is a complete fraud on immigration. He was licking Jorge Ramo's behind days after that interview. The guy can't even stand up to two female hecklers and you guys really believe he'd be able to stand up to Wall Street and the Entire Political Establishment when it comes to immigration? Laughable. Fortunately he has no chance at the Democratic nomination anyway, so this whole discussion is moot. The Democratic nominee is sure to be an open and shameless supporter of open borders.

His response to that really was terrifying. And then Trump vs Ramos was such a stark contrast.
 
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