Benton: 'Dr. Paul will not seek to be nominated from the floor.'

[cmo4ever]

Fuck this guy. No other words.

I'm going to the Rally in Tampa, and I'll be outside the convention, not to cheer Romney on, but to burn the GOP to the fucking ground this election cycle and remake it after November. As is the party is corrupt and unchangeable. This summer has reinforced that opinion, that the whole thing is just totally broken. I'm writing in Ron Paul in November, and nothing Jesse Benton says can change that.

I hope Ron realizes the movement is no longer in his control.

There really is not all that much time till the economy defaults, and the police state laws in place will become effective. I hope alot of you realize we are near the end of peaceful solutions to government, so why pussy-foot around and try the "bide our time" approach. There is no time. Ron Paul was and is the last gasp chance for America before the Police State happens. Politics is no longer the solution after this cycle.

 

[Revolution9]

Incorrect. The money has been accounted for since 2007:

"On February 20th, 2002, Gerry J. Gilmore of the American Forces Press Service reported that, "DoD financial experts, Zakheim said, are making good progress reconciling the department's "lost" expenditures, trimming them from a prior estimated total of $2.3 trillion to $700 billion. And, he added, the amount continues to drop.""

A likely story. Only 700 billion missing. Oh..well that's OK then..heh

Rev9

 

[Romulus]

I would put good money on it. Ron is getting old and I believe he wants us to mesh with the GOP and over time bring it back to what it was and should be. I believe Ron does not want to see his movement destroy the GOP. He want to leave peacefully and is doing what he thinks is the right thing to do to achieve this.

We did not win people. But we made good inroads and if we play are cards right maybe can move onwards and upwards from this point.

I play to win. I wanted to win. But we need to understand that Ron will not be the next prezz and be rational about how we move forward.

It sucks but I think Ron wants it to be over and does not know how to let some of his supporters know that it is.

He does not want to crush his movement or the GOP. Maybe thats not possible, I don't know.

We don't like to hear it but I agree with this and think it's true... Ron has been a R for his life... that is the way he view victory.. to change the hearts and minds and build the R party.... as much as we hate that.

 

[sailingaway]

this was posted at daily paul by a national delegate as a response to Benton's comment.

 

[sailingaway]

A likely story. Only 700 billion missing. Oh..well that's OK then..heh

Rev9

and the legislative response was to change the law so the entire Pentagon is no longer audited, so of course we can't check his numbers.

 

[cajuncocoa]

There is a difference regarding age and the area to be covered (state vs. national). There is also a difference in what they appear to view as the mission they are on. I do not think Rand will fair well on the national stage either. You can speak their language all you want to but you really have to sell your soul to make it to be the President.

I believe this is true.

 

[sailingaway]

Fuck this guy. No other words.

I'm going to the Rally in Tampa, and I'll be outside the convention, not to cheer Romney on, but to burn the GOP to the fucking ground this election cycle and remake it after November. As is the party is corrupt and unchangeable. This summer has reinforced that opinion, that the whole thing is just totally broken. I'm writing in Ron Paul in November, and nothing Jesse Benton says can change that.

I hope Ron realizes the movement is no longer in his control.

There really is not all that much time till the economy defaults, and the police state laws in place will become effective. I hope alot of you realize we are near the end of peaceful solutions to government, so why pussy-foot around and try the "bide our time" approach. There is no time. Ron Paul was and is the last gasp chance for America before the Police State happens. Politics is no longer the solution after this cycle.

I honestly think that the most Ron might be doing is not fighting against the campaign, maybe convinced himself that he can't be nominated from the floor or we wouldn't want to. His Texas speech - in fact everything I have seen HIM say still looked like he was in it for whatever he could get, just that at the end he didn't think it would be as much as he had previously hoped.

I hope the delegates don't get sweet talked or pressured into not nominating Ron from the floor. If we have the numbers, that would be ridiculous.

 

[jbauer]

Well screw the campaign. The question I ask is did we waste a bunch of time and money on all this?

 

[cajuncocoa]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but ever since Rand's endorsement (and the stated reasons for said endorsement: setting up for 2016), I've been thinking that Ron would need to pull back on making waves at the RNC in Tampa. If Ron's delegates make it difficult for Romney, the RNC will double down on making it difficult for Rand going forward. They probably won't even let him win back his Senate seat.

If y'all think about it, you should have been expecting this if you accept the conventional wisdom behind Rand's endorsement.

 

[JK/SEA]

"Have yall considered that maybe Ron doesn't want to be nominated from the floor? I don't know either way, but I'm just saying, perhaps it's possible that Jesse is just doing what Ron wants? Something to think about seeing as Jesse works for Ron. This is besides the fact that a nomination from the floor would not actually lead to an electoral victory. "

So what? Have "y'all" considered a lot of people worked their arses off to get to Tampa for express purpose of actually NOMINATING RON PAUL? Is this how you're going to reward those efforts, by forcing them to be a part of the big Romney/Ryan production? Screw that.

I don't care what you and Rand or Jesse or Jack or Trygve or anyone else in the upper echelon of the campaign does anymore. Go play croquet with the Romney sons on their manor lawn if that makes you feel important. The individual state delegations are now running the show and they aren't taking any orders from "up top" now that they know this "deal" was all about a campaign video. They fought their way to get to Tampa and don't need your help, especially when you fellows sit on a three million dollar kitty and won't even help said delegates with expenses to this Nuremburg Rally you wish us to partake in.

This isn't about the Pauls anymore. It's about what they stand for, which is a hell a lot more important than your bloody ego or your "status" in the political world. You don't wanna fight? Fine, go away. We don't need you anymore. Go stand on the sidelines and look like you're doing something productive while those who earned their way to the convention do a little conventioneering instead being sheep in a pen thank you very much.

yes, what he said.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Fuck this guy. No other words.

I'm going to the Rally in Tampa, and I'll be outside the convention, not to cheer Romney on, but to burn the GOP to the fucking ground this election cycle and remake it after November. As is the party is corrupt and unchangeable. This summer has reinforced that opinion, that the whole thing is just totally broken. I'm writing in Ron Paul in November, and nothing Jesse Benton says can change that.

I hope Ron realizes the movement is no longer in his control.

There really is not all that much time till the economy defaults, and the police state laws in place will become effective. I hope alot of you realize we are near the end of peaceful solutions to government, so why pussy-foot around and try the "bide our time" approach. There is no time. Ron Paul was and is the last gasp chance for America before the Police State happens. Politics is no longer the solution after this cycle.

You're extremely hypocritical. Ron Paul would be disappointed in anything but peaceful solutions to the government, as a moral and religious man. You're free to be as immoral as you wish, though.

 

[cmo4ever]

You're extremely hypocritical. Ron Paul would be disappointed in anything but peaceful solutions to the government, as a moral and religious man. You're free to be as immoral as you wish, though.

The Founders were peaceful and religious men. Of course, all peaceful options are exhausted to change a situation first, that's politics. At some point when the grievances become too much, and the government oppression reaches certain stages, politics can no longer solve the problem. We faught a Revolution with the King over less than we are experiencing now. Still peaceful solutions are to try and be reached. The time is coming, and probably not too far off, when social unrest becomes widespread, and the police state is called into action. All the laws passed like the NDAA will have their use, against the people of this country.

When peaceful solutions are exhausted it on occasion becomes necessary to fight tyranny with force. It's not there yet, but things aren't that far off either.

By your assessment the Founders were immoral for resorting to a non-peaceful solution with the King.

 

[dannno]

"seek" is the key word there

Ya we could really be spinning our wheels over nothing here.

How does the nominee seek to be nominated when it is their delegates that seek to nominate?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

There is a difference regarding age and the area to be covered (state vs. national). There is also a difference in what they appear to view as the mission they are on. I do not think Rand will fair well on the national stage either. You can speak their language all you want to but you really have to sell your soul to make it to be the President.

Many here pretend age isn't a factor, and want Ron to run again in 2016 when he's 80!! The fact of the matter is its a huge factor and Ron doesn't enjoy campaigning to begin with, so you're already behind the 8 ball. The Presidential race for Ron came down to winning Iowa, he could have hunkered down there ala Santorum. Rand will be great on the national stage and a breath of fresh air for those that Ron Paul couldn't reach.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

We don't like to hear it but I agree with this and think it's true... Ron has been a R for his life... that is the way he view victory.. to change the hearts and minds and build the R party.... as much as we hate that.

It's been working though, can't argue with the results. No third party can hold a candle to what we've accomplished in the span of a few short years.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I honestly think that the most Ron might be doing is not fighting against the campaign, maybe convinced himself that he can't be nominated from the floor or we wouldn't want to. His Texas speech - in fact everything I have seen HIM say still looked like he was in it for whatever he could get, just that at the end he didn't think it would be as much as he had previously hoped.

I hope the delegates don't get sweet talked or pressured into not nominating Ron from the floor. If we have the numbers, that would be ridiculous.

We don't have the numbers. Best estimate is 1/6 of the convention.

 

[July]

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[Romulus]

Ross Perot all over again...

The system is setup against one. Ron knows it, the best we can do is change hearts and minds within the system and they will come. As sucky as the R party is, Ron lead by example and through that we achieved great things so far..

 

[moostraks]

Many here pretend age isn't a factor, and want Ron to run again in 2016 when he's 80!! The fact of the matter is its a huge factor and Ron doesn't enjoy campaigning to begin with, so you're already behind the 8 ball. The Presidential race for Ron came down to winning Iowa, he could have hunkered down there ala Santorum. Rand will be great on the national stage and a breath of fresh air for those that Ron Paul couldn't reach.

I think once you witness how corrupt the establishment is at just the delegate level your eyes open up to just how far tptb probably go to further up the food chain. I think Rand could be tornadic and he still won't get anywhere near the whitehouse without conceeding every bit of what could make a difference. There are people behind the scenes that script the future years in advance and the system in my estimation is under tight security from any real agent of change making a difference. Doesn't mean we should stop trying to infiltrate. No one wins the lottery unless they buy a ticket, kwim?

 

[freedomordeath]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but ever since Rand's endorsement (and the stated reasons for said endorsement: setting up for 2016), I've been thinking that Ron would need to pull back on making waves at the RNC in Tampa. If Ron's delegates make it difficult for Romney, the RNC will double down on making it difficult for Rand going forward. They probably won't even let him win back his Senate seat.

If y'all think about it, you should have been expecting this if you accept the conventional wisdom behind Rand's endorsement.

As per Carol, Rand made that decision himself, she said he is a grown man with kids and he makes his own decisions. They obviously discuss these matters of tactics around dinner table, have their disagreements like any normal family, but Ron is not the type to force his ideas on someone.

Ron might and that IS A MIGHT, have decided to let Rand make most of the campaign decisions as Ron realizes he is getting old (I personally think he could easily run at 80). Ron realizes with all the flaws of his son, he will carry on the legacy in some shape or form. Ron might not be happy about it as any Father debates issues with their children.