Benton: 'Dr. Paul will not seek to be nominated from the floor.'

[anaconda]

would this guy just shut the fuck up?

I'm not a Benton hater, but what the heck is going on, here? Benton is starting to try my patience...

 

[anaconda]

The question is will Rand talk the talk without walking the walk like Reagan did?

Ronald "raise the debt ceiling 18 times" Reagan.

 

[parocks]

I think your characterization of the typical Ron Paul supporter is a little off base from where I am sitting. What fraction of Ron Paul supporters do you know that participated in sign waves? I will say this, in the 2008 cycle the ratio of sign wavers to voters was much higher, and personally, the majority of Ron Paul voters I know aren't the sign waving types.

I am not sure how you have come to your conclusion, but I think you may want to reevaluate that box we were talking about. For the most part, I have learned that trying to put all the individual parts of this movement into the same box usually ends up being a mistake. It's just that you have to be so careful not to classify Ron Paul supporters. That is what confounds the media and the GOP in particular.

I think you also have a bad read on the passion. I would say that the passion is driven more by people hearing a message that has been in their hearts but suppressed since childhood. Simply, it's the message of truth. It's like putting on a pair of glasses and seeing 20/20 for the first time in your life. The world as you knew it is just not the same and that is exciting! You want to share that and find out more about it, basically you want to see it all, again for the first time.

That is more of a passion driver than simply having a candidate to get excited about. There are plenty of people excited about their candidates Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. Romney's not having a problem at all raising money and drawing big crowds of sign wavers and chanters. I think that is the more typical type you are describing. These people aren't thinking outside the box. Just look at the ideas spawned from the Ron Paul grassroots. Look at how individuals who support the message of liberty how found ways to spread the message despite concerted moneyed interests to stop it.

SO yes, I believe overwhelmingly that the Ron Paul inspired movement is the driver in making dissident activism "cool". And I don't mean this in the immature sense. I mean this is the extremely focused action of not only raising awareness of things like the secrecy of the Federal Reserve, but of actually driving those same flag wavers, Romney is the man, people to not only think "outside the box" but to reject the box altogether. It is cool now to question the authority of money. That's a big problem that is not going away with Ron Paul or his campaign. There are so much more on the local level like that.

Well, the delegates are not likely to be the sign wavers, too. And you're certainly correct that we aren't talking about the majority here.

In Maine, we won without doing much of the sign waving. I'd say we just had the numbers. Prior to the caucuses there was a feeling that we would be better off if we didn't do any extra hyping of Ron Paul. There was no desire for sign waves and that type of thing, freelance, grassroots. Basically, it did have the feel of a campaign, where people behaved appropriately, throughout the entire process. But there is that "grassroots" element as well. The Maine delegates that I voted for who won are going to behave appropriately, I'd assume. And you're right about the difference between 08 and 12.

 

[parocks]

How about buy your time and play the game smarter. This is just the beginning.

Well, if they fuck us, I would think that the appropriate response is to hurt Mitt Romney while minimizing blowback.

 

[Badger Paul]

I guess will just have to nominate him anyway.

 

[Badger Paul]

"Have yall considered that maybe Ron doesn't want to be nominated from the floor? I don't know either way, but I'm just saying, perhaps it's possible that Jesse is just doing what Ron wants? Something to think about seeing as Jesse works for Ron. This is besides the fact that a nomination from the floor would not actually lead to an electoral victory. "

So what? Have "y'all" considered a lot of people worked their arses off to get to Tampa for express purpose of actually NOMINATING RON PAUL? Is this how you're going to reward those efforts, by forcing them to be a part of the big Romney/Ryan production? Screw that.

I don't care what you and Rand or Jesse or Jack or Trygve or anyone else in the upper echelon of the campaign does anymore. Go play croquet with the Romney sons on their manor lawn if that makes you feel important. The individual state delegations are now running the show and they aren't taking any orders from "up top" now that they know this "deal" was all about a campaign video. They fought their way to get to Tampa and don't need your help, especially when you fellows sit on a three million dollar kitty and won't even help said delegates with expenses to this Nuremburg Rally you wish us to partake in.

This isn't about the Pauls anymore. It's about what they stand for, which is a hell a lot more important than your bloody ego or your "status" in the political world. You don't wanna fight? Fine, go away. We don't need you anymore. Go stand on the sidelines and look like you're doing something productive while those who earned their way to the convention do a little conventioneering instead being sheep in a pen thank you very much.

 

[Badger Paul]

You wanna party with Mitt, you go right ahead. Those who want a real convention instead of a party will carry on.

 

[parocks]

"Have yall considered that maybe Ron doesn't want to be nominated from the floor? I don't know either way, but I'm just saying, perhaps it's possible that Jesse is just doing what Ron wants? Something to think about seeing as Jesse works for Ron. This is besides the fact that a nomination from the floor would not actually lead to an electoral victory. "

So what? Have "y'all" considered a lot of people worked their arses off to get to Tampa for express purpose of actually NOMINATING RON PAUL? Is this how you're going to reward those efforts, by forcing them to be a part of the big Romney/Ryan production? Screw that.

I don't care what you and Rand or Jesse or Jack or Trygve or anyone else in the upper echelon of the campaign does anymore. Go play croquet with the Romney sons on their manor lawn if that makes you feel important. The individual state delegations are now running the show and they aren't taking any orders from "up top" now that they know this "deal" was all about a campaign video. They fought their way to get to Tampa and don't need your help, especially when you fellows sit on a three million dollar kitty and won't even help said delegates with expenses to this Nuremburg Rally you wish us to partake in.

This isn't about the Pauls anymore. It's about what they stand for, which is a hell a lot more important than your bloody ego or your "status" in the political world. You don't wanna fight? Fine, go away. We don't need you anymore. Go stand on the sidelines and look like you're doing something productive while those who earned their way to the convention do a little conventioneering instead being sheep in a pen thank you very much.

I think RP wants the delegates to do their thing. He just can't say it. And we should understand this. So he's saying he's not planning anything. But he has just got to expect that we're going to do what we're intending to do. If he tells the delegates explicitly not to do it, that's a different story.

 

[Badger Paul]

To me it's not a question of winning or losing. It's question of reaching the end of a journey. That's why RP's nomination is important, because it's one of the few things in a convention that isn't scripted anymore. What many have fought against over the past five years are people who don't want "democracy" in political party. They want it as their perpetual little social club. The GOP is the Kiwanis or the Lions club in their view. That's not what its about. Getting nominated is the first part of breaking that mentality which will ultimately benefit the Liberty Movement in the years to come.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Well, if they fuck us, I would think that the appropriate response is to hurt Mitt Romney while minimizing blowback.

Define "fuck us"? Nobody in their right mind says we have the numbers for the nomination.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

No, Rand is more of a traditional 'southern conservative', it was that PLUS grass roots. All the same if KY had happened when Iowa did and if Ron put the same personal time into KY as Rand did, and got the same favorable media treatment in the primary as Rand generally did (they turned on him only in the general), I think Ron would have done pretty well there.

No. Rand is 1000 X the campaigner and 1000 X the communicator Ron is. That is just a fact. Rand's message got through to the electorate. It took time and Rand was a blip in the early polling, but Rand campaigned in every inch of Kentucky, put on major mileage on his SUV.

 

[ONUV]

is there going to be some drama at the convention? that's the only way i'll watch.

 

[affa]

Neither Romney nor Obama will even come close to fixing this country. In fact, both will further destroy it, causing us to fall deeper into debt, continuing the endless wars, stripping us of our liberties, furthering the downfall of everything this country once stood for.

and if we can't get Ron Paul in office -- what with our grassroots, the energy, the viral videos, the pure excitement and passion Ron Paul created in our country... then I weep for our country. Because if we can't do it now, it's not going to get done. Not in 2016, not in 2020, not anytime... because they'll only be that much more prepared to deal with the next 'Ron Paul' that comes along, if one ever does.

It sickens me that we're expected to settle down, and shut up, and get in line, as not just 2012, but our very future as a country crumbles in front of us. Screw that.

Nominate him from the floor. Let him speak. Let him speak, because then every man and women at that convention that hears him speak truth to power, and then goes on to vote for Romney, will one day look back and realize they betrayed their country, betrayed their fellow man, and betrayed liberty.

And maybe, just maybe, a miracle happens. Because you know what? We need one. This country, and the rest of the world, really needs one.

 

[parocks]

Neither Romney nor Obama will even come close to fixing this country. In fact, both will further destroy it, causing us to fall deeper into debt, continuing the endless wars, stripping us of our liberties, furthering the downfall of everything this country once stood for.

and if we can't get Ron Paul in office -- what with our grassroots, the energy, the viral videos, the pure excitement and passion Ron Paul created in our country... then I weep for our country. Because if we can't do it now, it's not going to get done. Not in 2016, not in 2020, not anytime... because they'll only be that much more prepared to deal with the next 'Ron Paul' that comes along, if one ever does.

It sickens me that we're expected to settle down, and shut up, and get in line, as not just 2012, but our very future as a country crumbles in front of us. Screw that.

Nominate him from the floor. Let him speak. Let him speak, because then every man and women at that convention that hears him speak truth to power, and then goes on to vote for Romney, will one day look back and realize they betrayed their country, betrayed their fellow man, and betrayed liberty.

And maybe, just maybe, a miracle happens. Because you know what? We need one. This country, and the rest of the world, really needs one.

I wouldn't worry quite so much, although you might be right. Your assessment of our strengths is off the mark. No, we weren't as mighty as you think. Much of that effort was wasted. You can argue that they'll be better prepared to deal with it, but they didn't have to try very hard. We won 0 primaries, and you really don't get the nomination when you win 0 primaries. You can pick up delegates in caucus states, and we did. But you really have to win primaries, too, and get some of those delegates. We wouldn't seen something different from msm if Ron Paul actually was close to winning. And it wouldn't have been nice at all.

There are other considerations as well. Ron Paul is 76. That didn't help. Not a Senator or a Governor but a US Rep, that's a factor. There's a conservative wing of the republican party. Sometimes a conservative gets the nomination. The eastern establishment wing didn't like Taft, Goldwater, Reagan, Buchanan, Paul. They use the same methods against all of them. Sometimes they do win.

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Matt. It doesn't matter if we nominate him from the floor or not. The fact of the matter is the campaign isn't even doing squat to get the delegates we spent hard time, money, blood, sweat, and tears on to secure. Benton is making it impossible to even influence the platform! This isn't just about nominating from the floor. In many ways, the official campaign has been our own worst enemy...next to the RNC.

For truth.

 

[torchbearer]

I'm confused.. Im pretty sure Jesse doesn't say anything that Dr. Paul doesn't approve of.. So Are you guys pretty much telling Ron to stfu?

Jesse has lied previous, especially when talking about how the RNC is welcoming us with open arms. i don't think ron is that involved with the campaign.

 

[airborne373]

Ron nor Rand Paul was ever going to 'save us." We must do this one person and one action at a time for as long as it takes. Start by changing your life today, ask yourself what can you do that will improve and strengthen your material prima while weakening the criminal conspiracy that infects this nation.

 

[moostraks]

No. Rand is 1000 X the campaigner and 1000 X the communicator Ron is. That is just a fact. Rand's message got through to the electorate. It took time and Rand was a blip in the early polling, but Rand campaigned in every inch of Kentucky, put on major mileage on his SUV.

There is a difference regarding age and the area to be covered (state vs. national). There is also a difference in what they appear to view as the mission they are on. I do not think Rand will fair well on the national stage either. You can speak their language all you want to but you really have to sell your soul to make it to be the President.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Time to wise up to a certain FACT that many in the liberty movement don't get (but I think the founders were in touch...).

NOBODY'S PERFECT !!! Not me, not you not Benton, not Ron Paul... This movement will ultimately succeed or we will be slaves. Technology gives the ultimate power to a few well connected people unless we counteract it while we can. Will there be a 2016?? I don't know but we have to work as if there will be and if there isn't, we need to adapt to other methods.

ONE THING IS CERTAIN, the end of the FRN is right around the corner and when the collapse comes, we need to have enough power to pick up the pieces and get the multitude on the same page. Liberty or slavery are the only two possible resolutions.

Now stop bickering and picking apart the mistakes of your allies and start to focus on the enemy.

 

[BestVirginia]

Great. The Rabbi behind a three trillion dollar transfer of funds to Israeli banks.

Revb9

Incorrect. The money has been accounted for since 2007:

"On February 20th, 2002, Gerry J. Gilmore of the American Forces Press Service reported that, "DoD financial experts, Zakheim said, are making good progress reconciling the department's "lost" expenditures, trimming them from a prior estimated total of $2.3 trillion to $700 billion. And, he added, the amount continues to drop.""