Benton: 'Dr. Paul will not seek to be nominated from the floor.'

[LibertyEagle]

We have several veteran RPF members coming out and saying how Benton is doing what Ron wants and how all opposing views is ignorance of the facts. Well, I'm proving them wrong.

The truth bomb wasn't for you, and obviously you don't want it to be.

Thing is, most of what you posted was hearsay and last time I checked, Tom Woods, as much as I respect him, doesn't know jack about winning elections. Publicly smearing one of our own guys is, in my opinion, really skimming the bottom of the pond. It is beneath this movement and you know as well as I do that neither Ron or Carol Paul would agree with it being done. We are better than this. Come on.

 

[freedomordeath]

Lets support our delegates, prosecute the fraud and work with what we can control and let the side show sort itself out....

 

[eleganz]

Thing is, most of what you posted was hearsay and last time I checked, Tom Woods, as much as I respect him, doesn't know jack about winning elections. Publicly smearing one of our own guys is, in my opinion, really skimming the bottom of the pond. It is beneath this movement and you know as well as I do that neither Ron or Carol Paul would agree with it being done. We are better than this. Come on.

The fact that you consider Benton as one of our own is really good for you. I just don't agree with that.

You see a rat, you call him out, we've had a lot of experience with calling out rats here in our own Los Angeles grassroots group.

I know what I've done for this campaign and everything I've experienced about Benton, it all adds up. If you don't like it, don't respond to it.

Carol Paul, in her own words said that Ron was not involved in Rand's endorsement, they kept him in the dark up until 30 minutes before the announcement.

I don't need a lecture from you and you don't need a lecture from me.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Carol Paul, in her own words said that Ron was not involved in Rand's endorsement, they kept him in the dark up until 30 minutes before the announcement.

Where was this said? The only interview I have heard, was where she said Rand didn't talk to her about it. Do you have a link for it? I would like to hear it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The fact that you consider Benton as one of our own is really good for you. I just don't agree with that.

You see a rat, you call him out, we've had a lot of experience with calling out rats here in our own Los Angeles grassroots group.

I know what I've done for this campaign and everything I've experienced about Benton, it all adds up. If you don't like it, don't respond to it.

Carol Paul, in her own words said that Ron was not involved in Rand's endorsement, they kept him in the dark up until 30 minutes before the announcement.

I don't need a lecture from you and you don't need a lecture from me.

Eleganz, all I am saying is that you should have FACTS before going off smearing someone. Not hearsay. But, if you want to do that, there's not a thing I can do about it.

 

[wgadget]

Mama always said there'd be threads like this...

 

[JacobG18]

Oh, you thought that we might win in Tampa? For months now, a win in Tampa REQUIRED multiple Black Swan events. That's the "Romney eaten by sharks" scenario. But Romney is still there. Basically, Romney had to collapse. And he hasn't. We should still move forward, because the historical record should include the fact that Maine wants the "don't blame Maine, we voted for Ron Paul" bumper sticker. We should have that.

And the country clubbers need to know that if they want to fuck with the Ron Paul people, they're going to get seriously hurt. Romney thinks that he can be a dickhead, try to ban our delegates. Make the RNC look like a terrible joke, and do so without hurting Ron Paul in the process. We have to send a message - do not fuck with Ron Paul. Romney had the opportunity months ago to play nice, and decided not to do so. Now it's time for him to pay the price.

In 1964, George Romney did not play nice. Rockefeller did not play nice. Scanton did not play nice. Why should we?

No I did not think that, I was just saying that's is it for this round. You don't have to play nice if you don't want to, go for their throat if you can.

 

[parocks]

now this would be interesting to see....

Wouldn't it though?

Wouldn't Ron Paul supporters saying over the top ridiculous things, praise, of Romney, be fun too.

"I like Rick Santorum, but I'm supporting Mitt Romney now, because Obama hasn't killed enough Muslims."

All of these fun talking points should (ve) been developed a while ago, without any input from the official campaign because there's no way Ron Paul could officially authorize this stuff. We're there, and if we're screwed, we have lots of fun.

"Well, I'm rich, so I support Romney. I'm also old, so I'm hoping that society doesn't collapse before I'm dead. I think that if I was younger, I'd support Ron Paul, because he seems to care about the collapse. But, again, I'm old and"I'm rich, so Romney's perfectly fine with me. He understands the needs of old, rich people, and he'll be able to keep things going just long enough for me."

"Well, I'm for open borders, because I really need gardeners, and Americans won't work for what I want to pay. The social costs are not my problem."

And this goes on TV, the time Americans are paying attention.

Our delegates are Actors.

 

[sailingaway]

Lets support our delegates, prosecute the fraud and work with what we can control and let the side show sort itself out....

this, let's be constructive. I haven't looked at the last 15 pages or so, because I'm working on projects today, but this stands out as a good approach, imho.

 

[parocks]

No I did not think that, I was just saying that's is it for this round. You don't have to play nice if you don't want to, go for their throat if you can.

We should still have the vote, and Maine should still be saying 20 or 21 votes for Ron Paul.

We should be have a reason for them not to fuck with us, and that's our ability to make the convention our own little tv show that amuses us.

Write sketches, have the delegates perform roles in the sketches, videotape the sketches, put them on youtube.

 

[freedomordeath]

Where was this said? The only interview I have heard, was where she said Rand didn't talk to her about it. Do you have a link for it? I would like to hear it.

I saw that interview, Carol siad he is a grown man with kids and can't control what he does.

 

[freedomordeath]

This is what we up against... saw this on dailypaul. 26 standing ovations, 26 standing ovations, and poeple get into a hissy fit when someone says something they don't like despite knowing what awesome power we up against, the power to create a prison for your mind... Take responsibilty for your own actions and lets support our delegates, thats all that matters now until TAMPA, after TAMPA we still got time for tactics.

I personally don't care what Isreal does, I'm not anti-Isreal simply pro American and what it stands for as per founding fathers.

 

[VanBummel]

Ron Paul has always had a vote for who you want / support who you want / do what you want attitude, and I don't believe that has changed after all these years.

Forget the "Fire Jesse Benton" movement, point me to the "Tar and Feather Jesse Benton" movement.

 

[parocks]

Rumsfeld was asking about a couple of trillion missing over there on Sept. 10, 2001. There doesn't seem to be much interest since then.

see: Dov Zacheim, now a Romney advisor.

 

[newbitech]

Ron Paul supporters typically DON'T think outside the box. Many are simply antiwar protesters who enjoy chanting. And, on average, they might want the right thing, but they aren't smarter than Romney supporters. Holding signs, chanting Ron Paul is something that we did in 2007, and we do in 2012. I'd say that we were thinking outside the box in October-November 2007. After the Tea Party, not much. We just have different preferences, and we're more passionate because typically we don't have a Presidential candidate to get excited about.

The way we should proceed (or, more accurately, we should've started 2 months ago, because everything is going pretty much the way one would predict, but now it's pretty much too late unless people have been working on it) is say either A) we get what we want or B) we wreck the convention.

2 months ago it was pretty hard to predict exactly how bad Romney would be to us. And he's been terrible. Romneys behavior deserves a serious response. If he had just said "fine, whatever, we'll win, it doesn't matter" we wouldn't be so pissed off. But he decided to be an asshole unnecessarily.

The question is - does Ron Paul name get put in nomination? If so, and if Maine, Minnesota, Iowa, etc., place Ron Paul votes, we won't be pissed. If Maine is not for Ron Paul with the votes, then we will be pissed, and we should be bringing the pain.

And bringing the pain does not mean chanting Ron Paul. At all. We are pissed off delegates who didn't get to vote for who the voters wanted us to vote for.

If you do A, you get X, if you do B, you get Y.

I think your characterization of the typical Ron Paul supporter is a little off base from where I am sitting. What fraction of Ron Paul supporters do you know that participated in sign waves? I will say this, in the 2008 cycle the ratio of sign wavers to voters was much higher, and personally, the majority of Ron Paul voters I know aren't the sign waving types.

I am not sure how you have come to your conclusion, but I think you may want to reevaluate that box we were talking about. For the most part, I have learned that trying to put all the individual parts of this movement into the same box usually ends up being a mistake. It's just that you have to be so careful not to classify Ron Paul supporters. That is what confounds the media and the GOP in particular.

I think you also have a bad read on the passion. I would say that the passion is driven more by people hearing a message that has been in their hearts but suppressed since childhood. Simply, it's the message of truth. It's like putting on a pair of glasses and seeing 20/20 for the first time in your life. The world as you knew it is just not the same and that is exciting! You want to share that and find out more about it, basically you want to see it all, again for the first time.

That is more of a passion driver than simply having a candidate to get excited about. There are plenty of people excited about their candidates Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. Romney's not having a problem at all raising money and drawing big crowds of sign wavers and chanters. I think that is the more typical type you are describing. These people aren't thinking outside the box. Just look at the ideas spawned from the Ron Paul grassroots. Look at how individuals who support the message of liberty how found ways to spread the message despite concerted moneyed interests to stop it.

SO yes, I believe overwhelmingly that the Ron Paul inspired movement is the driver in making dissident activism "cool". And I don't mean this in the immature sense. I mean this is the extremely focused action of not only raising awareness of things like the secrecy of the Federal Reserve, but of actually driving those same flag wavers, Romney is the man, people to not only think "outside the box" but to reject the box altogether. It is cool now to question the authority of money. That's a big problem that is not going away with Ron Paul or his campaign. There are so much more on the local level like that.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Well, "acting like bratty 12 year olds" isn't exactly what I was suggesting. Of course, you have a point. We don't have any other modes than "bratty 12 year old". It would've been nice if we had a "smart" mode. Where we do something other than chant Ron Paul. But we don't. You seem to think that there are 2 choices 1) be nice, which is your suggestion 2) bratty 12 year olds, which is what we do when we're not nice, and 3) something else. I like 3). I don't think we have it in us. Part of 3) includes not hurting Ron Paul. We don't seem to have any idea of doing anything besides arguing with people about the merits of Ron Paul and Liberty. And chanting those things. And there are so many things that we could be doing, that have nothing to do with hyping Ron Paul, and everything to do with hurting Mitt Romney. Romney seems to think that it's acceptable to try to take away our delegates. It isn't. And we should be pussies either.

How about this. Whenever someone mentions Israel. It should happen all the time every day. Start an Israel chant. Is-ra-el. Not boo, and Ron Paul, but Is-ra-el. Hey, isn't that the kind of enthusiasm that they're looking for? Oh, sure, it makes Republicans look like fringe, it hurts Mitt Romney, but, hey, you against Israel?

How about buy your time and play the game smarter. This is just the beginning.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

^^^ loool Rand and his political savvy did not win his senate seat....

The grassroots did....were you even around for the Kentucky race?

Moneybombs and the phone-system won, his victory was powered by us. The phone-system is what made us strong in caucus states.

By that token Ron Paul should've won the state of Kentucky because of pure grassroots involvement. Fact of the matter is Kentucky was one of our worst states in 2008, which isn't too surprising, since the south is our weakest region. Rand won in the south because he's a great candidate, outstanding communicator, and tireless campaigner. Grassroots and money play a major part, but only once you have the first three criteria in place.

 

[Revolution9]

see: Dov Zacheim, now a Romney advisor.

Great. The Rabbi behind a three trillion dollar transfer of funds to Israeli banks.

Revb9

 

[sailingaway]

By that token Ron Paul should've won the state of Kentucky because of pure grassroots involvement. Fact of the matter is Kentucky was one of our worst states in 2008, which isn't too surprising, since the south is our weakest region. Rand won in the south because he's a great candidate, outstanding communicator, and tireless campaigner. Grassroots and money play a major part, but only once you have the first three criteria in place.

No, Rand is more of a traditional 'southern conservative', it was that PLUS grass roots. All the same if KY had happened when Iowa did and if Ron put the same personal time into KY as Rand did, and got the same favorable media treatment in the primary as Rand generally did (they turned on him only in the general), I think Ron would have done pretty well there.

 

[Aratus]

the media eased up on rand initially because they thought trey grayson was a shoe-in