Benton: 'Dr. Paul will not seek to be nominated from the floor.'

[LibertyEagle]

Ha ha. Well, I guess it is.

 

[paulbot24]

this all has a front porch campaign logic to it. bill mckinley was coaxed to run from
canton ohio, ole george washington when out riding was asked to be C-I-C in 1789.
you have to have dr. ron paul thinking this one over in a good way without forging
a metaphoric verbal weapon barack obama can utilize in the fall campain against his
hypothetical challenger, our gentleman mitt from the baystate. so far we have not
seen dr. ron paul give the official nod to a rival competator as he tosses in his towel.

EXACTLY. Since when have we ever seen Ron give up on anything EVER?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Different people were always saying different things. Why don't you go through those threads and find out which ones from those threads are the ones taking which positions now. But working in the GOP and throwing away a chance for Ron to be nominated from the floor are not the same thing IF that in fact is what Benton was even saying. Working within the GOP could as easily mean fighting with Ron being nominated on the floor as this year's Goldwater to be an elder statesmen of the party still carrying his banner and letting supporters follow him. None of that stops people from working inside the GOP.

Before you misunderstand where I'm coming from with this argument, let me state that

I WANT HIM NOMINATED FROM THE FLOOR.

But others in this thread who are also saying that ARE some of the same ones who used the argument that it was what RP wanted when confronted with opposition to working in the GOP.

Just sayin'

And don't worry....I'm not sticking around to argue this ad nauseum. The last word will be yours.

 

[thoughtomator]

I fail to see how a "shut up and go along with the program" strategy advances our cause in any way at all.

We should be tearing down the house and making it impossible for them to conduct business or be successful in any way without making major accommodations to us. You don't build political power by being a pansy and a pushover. You build power by accomplishing something meaningful.

For example, if we pushed the GOP convention into disarray and made four days straight of national headlines, that would get our message out to millions of people who aren't aware of Ron Paul or think we are just fringers instead of a major component of the party (as well as a necessary component of any winning GOP coalition).

 

[parocks]

I'm confused. And this post might get me banned, but I'm going to speak out anyway.

A few months ago many activists (myself included) expressed the idea that we want nothing to do with the GOP in the future. And we were told by many on this board that we have to stay with the GOP and try to "reform" it -- because that's what Dr. Paul wants us to do.

I don't think that's a good idea at all. The GOP has made it clear as it can be that we're not wanted in their party, and they will do whatever they need to do; they will break any rule (or hips and fingers) to keep us out.

But because that's what Ron Paul said he wants, we have to do it, because this is the Ron Paul forum.

Many of us were thoroughly disgusted by Rand's endorsement of Romney on Sean Hannity's show.

We were told that the Pauls know what they're doing. The endorsement is meaningless, and Rand is just setting up for 2016.


Now, the campaign is telling us Ron Paul doesn't want to be nominated from the floor....and in spite of what RP wants, the delegates are going to do what they want to do anyway!

What if Ron doesn't want to rock the boat because nominating him from the floor would hurt Rand's chances in 2016?

Personally, I don't give a $hit about that...I would say "nominate him anyway!"

But that's me. Where the consistency from the "whatever Ron Paul wants, that's what we do" crowd?

Your post won't get you banned. Well, "stick with the GOP" is just a good idea. You have to understand that finger breaking or whatnot is not unheard of. We're trying to take a valuable thing away from the people who have had it for years. They aren't going to like it. But the conservatives have been part of the GOP since Taft at least. The GOP is where we belong. Yeah, we've been shit on by them since Taft. We just have to fight and keep fighting.

About Tampa, well, Ron Paul has made a statement that he doesn't want this. He's covering his ass here. Good, smart move. Now we do what we want to do. Which is probably what Ron Paul really wants, but is smart enough to say he doesn't.

The fact that Ron Paul supporters have acted like assholes almost non stop since the Summer of 07 is a good thing. Ron Paul can say for the 100th time "I don't control my supporters" and people will believe him, or should believe him, because it's true. Ron Paul doesn't tell his supporters to boo at debates, but we do anyway. People know this. As long as Ron Paul makes it clear that it's not his thing, he's off the hook. And that's what Benton just did. Rand saved his own butt (good job Rand!) by issuing the meaningless Romney endorse, and now Ron is saving his (and Rands) by saying this.

 

[sailingaway]

Before you misunderstand where I'm coming from with this argument, let me state that

I WANT HIM NOMINATED FROM THE FLOOR.

But others in this thread who are also saying that ARE some of the same ones who used the argument that it was what RP wanted when confronted with opposition to working in the GOP.

Just sayin'

And don't worry....I'm not sticking around to argue this ad nauseum. The last word will be yours.

Just because what Ron wants is often persuasive doesn't mean it will always tip the balance...

 

[LibertyEagle]

But others in this thread who are also saying that ARE some of the same ones who used the argument that it was what RP wanted when confronted with opposition to working in the GOP.

Just sayin'

Yet again, it might be that you are interpreting Benton's memo differently than others of us. Benton didn't say that Dr. Paul didn't want to be nominated. He said they weren't seeking it, which to me says the campaign isn't pushing it. That could very well be a political move.

That actually was explained several times in this thread. This is the first occurrence, I think. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...m-the-floor.&p=4578078&viewfull=1#post4578078

Could we be wrong? Yup.

The only thing this is about is getting him his 15 minutes of unedited speaking time that is due him.

 

[parocks]

I fail to see how a "shut up and go along with the program" strategy advances our cause in any way at all.

We should be tearing down the house and making it impossible for them to conduct business or be successful in any way without making major accommodations to us. You don't build political power by being a pansy and a pushover. You build power by accomplishing something meaningful.

For example, if we pushed the GOP convention into disarray and made four days straight of national headlines, that would get our message out to millions of people who aren't aware of Ron Paul or think we are just fringers instead of a major component of the party (as well as a necessary component of any winning GOP coalition).

Nothing in the world of Ron Paul that has happened in the last couple months has been surprising in the least.

We are not prepared to do the damage we should be preparing to do. Ron Paul grassroots is not mighty. I've been talking about preparing for this for months and no one seems to be actually doing anything.

The convention is a tv show. We have have hundreds of actors, set designers, cameramen. Make it the Ron Paul show. Have our stealth delegates, bound to Romney, wearing Romney garb, beating up a Ron Paul supporter wearing Ron Paul garb. This is done exactly as planned, is videoed, exactly as planned, is uploaded to the youtube channel set up for this purpose, and is made viral by the people who were watching the youtube channel because they knew that interesting stuff would happen.

The bag of tricks that the Ron Paul supporters have include chanting "Ron Paul" but very little else. Would think we'd advance beyond that in 5 years. But I don't think so.

 

[fisharmor]

Yet again, it might be that you are interpreting Benton's memo differently than others of us. Benton didn't say that Dr. Paul didn't want to be nominated. He said they weren't seeking it, which to me says the campaign isn't pushing it. That could very well be a political move.

Yeah, with dozens of statements identical in nature to the one we're arguing about, it very much is a political move.
It's a fucking torpedo.
Benton has repeatedly left the media and mainstream America with the impression that Dr. Paul's heart was never really in this and that he has never been serious about winning.

If he was never serious about winning then he's never going to win. It's as simple as that. People aren't going to back a loser and Benton is all loser talk.

You all can dither all day long about how it didn't say he's against getting nominated, but the bottom line is that this is one of a long string of statements that spell out exactly that.

 

[Aratus]

would america be in shock if rand paul called for a most patriotic audit on our vast maze of complexities that is our pentagon????
we may see america being educated by the choises that are open to us as free people, if we think this all through most logically.

 

[MelissaCato]

Ron Paul 2012!! Darn it !!

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I hope we're not still pretending Benton isn't a neocon plant.

 

[Aratus]

JFK3 --- jesse benton is jesse benton, an original. trust me on this.

to be truly classically neocon its helps to know who slim pickens was.

 

[parocks]

So... did he change his mind, or was the "delegate strategy" a load of crap from the beginning? How was the "delegate strategy" supposed to work without getting nominated from the floor‽

The delegate strategy meant getting more delegates than we got. We didn't get enough delegates for the delegate strategy to work. But we did get some delegates and the delegates we got were gotten through the "fight hard in smaller caucus states through state conventions" delegate strategy. We didn't win a single primary.

 

[parocks]

JFK3 --- jesse benton is jesse benton, an original. trust me on this.

to be truly classically neocon its helps to know who slim pickens was.

No, the desire to ride a bomb makes you a hawk. Neocons aren't the same thing as hawks. When Dr. Strangelove came out (1964?) Irving Kristol was still a Democrat.

 

[Aratus]

tis true... also...

our "ronulans"
can vote for
platform planks.

 

[parocks]

Yet again, it might be that you are interpreting Benton's memo differently than others of us. Benton didn't say that Dr. Paul didn't want to be nominated. He said they weren't seeking it, which to me says the campaign isn't pushing it. That could very well be a political move.

That actually was explained several times in this thread. This is the first occurrence, I think. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...m-the-floor.&p=4578078&viewfull=1#post4578078

Could we be wrong? Yup.

The only thing this is about is getting him his 15 minutes of unedited speaking time that is due him.

As much as a speech, it's about letting the delegates vote.

 

[rb3b3]

Listen fellas, this is the bottom line in all of this.. I don't give a rats ass what Benton has to say at all!! Just like so many of you, I've dumped a shtload of money into this years campaign and if we have the plurality of delagates in 5 states then you bet your ass Ron Paul wil be getting nominated from the floor!!! He will give his unedited speech, and maybe we can still win this thing!! I still have hope!!! Benton got me very depressed after that first email awhile back basically waving the white flag!! I really don't like Benton, I feel he has no care as to how many of us pumped our hard earned money into this!!!! Fk what Benton has to say, ON WITH THE MOVEMENT!!! See you in Tampa!!! Let's get ron nominated from the floor and go from there !!

 

[Aratus]

i feel the neocons and the hawks had less of a phobia over radioactive private parts,
as i remember the vintage seminal flic of a film with peter sellers. i actually liked poor
adlai stevenson as a person but the potus scenes in that flic rang true and were funny.

 

[trey4sports]

Bump you saying you are working your ass off for McCain?

You could have taken over the county without ever once working your ass off for John McCain!

The GOP would cede power to someone who didn't even support the nominee? That's news to me.

Hell, that's news to Rand Paul and Thomas Massie as well. They both endorsed the nominee.