Benton: 'Dr. Paul will not seek to be nominated from the floor.'

[Bastiat's The Law]

Sailingaway, you need to stop pushing this agenda, back in 08' after Ron lost, we were all depressed as well, yet we recovered without any dellusions of reality. 2 years later we won a US Senate seat and a US Rep seat. Let's stop the madness before we lose the donors in this forum

I agree. Banning 2007 members that donate at every level is very bad taste. This is not an echo chamber, people will be disappointed, but we will rise out of that stronger and more focused than ever.

 

[sailingaway]

You banned Erowe1?

That's not good for this forum

this constant harassment by tag teams in this forum isn't either, and a week may help him think of a more constructive way to achieve his goals -- or to give them up, as he keeps demanding we give up ours, if they aren't achievable. You don't seem to recognize that your own diversion goals may be as unachievable as anything else under discussion.

 

[RickyJ]

look, i'm fine with people doing whatever they want to support their cause, but i'm not going to sit idly by while people live in la-la land. I am going to at least try and help bring some folks back to reality.

Says the guy who actually campaigned for McCain after Ron dropped out in 2008.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Right now, that seems to be one in the same, "We are all Ron Paul" type of thing.
She is running the race to the end, and so am I.
We get what we can, but won't give up until it done.

Well I'm glad there's only two weeks left until we can put the nomination talk to bed and get back to brass tacks of electing our people to Congress and Senate.

 

[trey4sports]

For a long time both views were here and it was driving people away and diminishing enthusiasm. It is true if the forum had whole heartedly said Ron's nomination isn't important any more to work for, things might be different. I'm not sure better, but different.

With all due respect that is not what i've seen.

Ron Paul Forums now has a DIRECT competitor not because of an opposing viewpoint, but because exactly what just happened to Erowe1. He was a bit crass but his viewpoint was more often than not quite constructive.

 

[paulbot24]

I was under the impression that our passion for principle over picking the "sure winner" in the horse race is why most of us are here.

 

[sailingaway]

I agree. Banning 2007 members that donate at every level is very bad taste. This is not an echo chamber, people will be disappointed, but we will rise out of that stronger and more focused than ever.

No one stopped the positions from being discussed, it was demanding people agree to the point of harassment that I object to. Whatever happened to 'agree to disagree'?

 

[sailingaway]

With all due respect that is not what i've seen.

Ron Paul Forums now has a DIRECT competitor not because of an opposing viewpoint, but because exactly what just happened to Erowe1. He was a bit crass but his viewpoint was more often than not quite constructive.

Its a week ban and may end up shorter because he couldn't stop. It isn't permanent. You are firmly convinced your idea is better, but why can't you just leave those who disagree with you and want to act differently to do that without dumping on it?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

yeah i agree to an extent, but you also have to understand that had Massie ran with Ron's foreign policy we most likely wouldn't have his voice/vote being heard at all. You have to take what you can get to a certain extent and Ron's role has been that of an intellectual godfather but it is now time to get things done.

And the way you frame things matter. I agree wholeheartedly with Ron Paul's foreign policy, but it was also cringe worthy when he cited bin Laden during the debates. There's much better ways to get your point across.

 

[Michigan11]

this constant harassment by tag teams in this forum isn't either, and a week may help him think of a more constructive way to achieve his goals -- or to give them up, as he keeps demanding we give up ours, if they aren't achievable. You don't seem to recognize that your own diversion goals may be as unachievable as anything else under discussion.

Your not a libra by any chance are you? LOL Anyways, the problem that many of us are seeing, isn't the support for Ron, it's the fact that there is a cheerleading affect going on here to keep the focus on a presidential race that has ended. My opinion is that, after the convention, many will be so depressed they won't be around after that, or even 4 years from now. Especially you being a moderator, allowing these same threads and posts to be bumped continuously. Either way, we disagree, not a big deal I hope, nothing personal here, so I guess I will just stay out of here for now...

 

[trey4sports]

Says the guy who actually campaigned for McCain after Ron dropped out in 2008.

yeah.

Bump that shit.

I dare ya.




Guess who Greene County ended up supporting in '12?

Ron Paul.

ya know why?

Because the youth took over the Greene county GOP over the last 4 years.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I strongly disagree, and was around in 08', we all recovered from that with out any dillusions. We are dumbing down people in here at this point, and I am in this movment forever and will do everything I possibly can to further the ideology of Ron Paul. I like you Sailingaway, and I see RP supporters as friends, and hate to disagree, but this has to stop. I'm not seeing alot of people in here anymore that I used to see.

I'm sure this won't change your mind or others, but I think it's time to take a breather here, this movement is much bigger than Ron or anyone of us, and we need to be careful of how we are presenting ourselves to others watching.

Major + Rep

 

[paulbot24]

And the way you frame things matter. I agree wholeheartedly with Ron Paul's foreign policy, but it was also cringe worthy when he cited bin Laden during the debates. There's much better ways to get your point across.

Oh yeah. Was this before or after he was asked to apologize to the people in New York for insinuating that our foreign policy inspires hatred. The American people need to hear the truth "by any means necessary." Malcom X used that phrase. Is that cringe worthy? The truth has a way of making people cringe when they are accustomed to sweet sounding excuses and sugar-coated stories.

 

[RickyJ]

I was under the impression that our passion for principle over picking the "sure winner" in the horse race is why most of us are here.

I was too. Somewhere, for some reason, some people lost sight of that and winning became everything to them, even more important than principle. That is when movements become irrelevant, they lose their focus and become part of the problem they were originally trying to solve.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

why on earth can't you wait those months?

that's like saying 'bury him, he's ALMOST dead...'

Because you ignore Ron Paul's own words regarding the nomination and miss the fact that this movement is bigger than one man. Ron himself admits this. It's unhealthy for a movement to hinge upon one person and movements quickly dissolve when that person steps down. Don't fall into idol worship. You actually do a disservice to the movement by expending time, energy, and resources on fruitless endeavors when we could marshal those forces in races going on right now! In two weeks you'll realize I'm right after your Rongasm tapers off.

 

[MRoCkEd]

I think it's insulting to Ron to say we know better than him and act like he is still in the race when clearly he has moved on and asked us to do the same. I agree with many in here that it's time to focus on where we can make a difference and not be distracted by fantasies.

 

[sailingaway]

Your not a libra by any chance are you? LOL Anyways, the problem that many of us are seeing, isn't the support for Ron, it's the fact that there is a cheerleading affect going on here to keep the focus on a presidential race that has ended. My opinion is that, after the convention, many will be so depressed they won't be around after that, or even 4 years from now. Especially you being a moderator, allowing these same threads and posts to be bumped continuously. Either way, we disagree, not a big deal I hope, nothing personal here, so I guess I will just stay out of here for now...

what if those people wouldn't be here at all otherwise and while they are here they get interested, sometimes in some of those others but otherwise wouldn't at all? Again your whole position assumes these people would transfer their efforts for Ron somewhere you want it if they weren't doing this. And is it really your place to say that? and to try to make it so by making it unpleasant for them? How does that work with the nonaggression principle?

 

[sailingaway]

I think it's insulting to Ron to say we know better than him and act like he is still in the race when clearly he has moved on and asked us to do the same. I agree with many in here that it's time to focus on where we can make a difference and not be distracted by fantasies.

Who is stopping those who want to do that? Or even harassing them to do differently?

 

[MRoCkEd]

Who is stopping those who want to do that? Or even harassing them to do differently?

Infractions, bans, deleted posts for people stating the obvious

 

[trey4sports]

I'm going to leave it at this..... I hope that we can just continue to work to promote liberty and hear everyone out.