Ben Swann covering the Killing of the 16 Afghan Civilians TONIGHT

I'm wondering if Ben's going into no mans land:


The latest news is that Sgt. Bales doesn't recall (not surprising to me) the incident at all. At the same time, the News is reporting how he was a con man who bilked people out of money before joining the military 10yrs ago. They are shaping public opinion to show this guy as a scum bag.

I believe Sgt. Bales is a fall guy. Simple as that. They couldn't publicize that a group of soldiers killed these civilians. Not after the damage control they were going through after the Koran burnings.....
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It appears the Afghanis aren't buying the "one man shooting spree" story...

http://rt.com/news/massacre-kandahar-soldier-american-705/
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Tyler_Durden said:
Could there be a cover-up? Was it a lone solider or a group of drunken soldiers?



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/11/us-afghanistan-civilians-idUSBRE82A02V20120311
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moderate libertarian said:
If this is true, is urinating on dead bodies or burning dead bodies a new thing for some of these alleged war criminals? Their holy books were allegdly burnt accidentally, what is the official line for burning of dead bodies/urination?

Why would they burn bodies afterwards after getting drunk and killing civilains including children and women in house? In an incidence in Iraq in Mahmudiyah killings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings ) when some soldiers were convicted of going into a house after getting drunk, killing civilians including women and children and burning bodies afterwards were also accused of raping a 14 year old girl. There is abolutely no such accusation here, what were they trying to accomplish by burning bodies if they indeed did that?
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Tyler_Durden said:
One soldier could kill over a dozen and injure others, but it doesn't make sense how that one soldier could burn them too. I am apt to believe the eyewitness reports of a group of drunken soldiers. When I was in the Marines, we did some crazy shit when we were drunk......this is bad news.
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Tyler_Durden said:
Standard issue is 30 rounds per mag. One guy is certainly capable, but my gut tells me the witness accounts are accurate and the damage control being done now is to make it look like an isolated incident by one soldier. Or perhaps one soldier carried it out and others came along to torch the bodies. Either way, there's alot of unanswered questions. And yes, it's tragic.
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Tyler_Durden said:
The more I read into this, the more I smell a cover-up. This was not a one-man incident:



http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/11/world/asia/afghanistan-us-service-member/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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Tyler_Durden said:
I'm telling you - the more I read into this, the more I smell a cover-up. This wasn't a one-man incident. This development of the official story stinks to hell. I'm starting to read articles that don't include the witness reports of multiple drunken and laughing soldiers.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/11/world/asia/afghanistan-us-service-member/index.html?hpt=hp_t1




how does a soldier walk off a secure base at 3am?

"...a U.S. service member stationed at a U.S. base in the southern Kandahar province walked off the base around 3 a.m. local time......"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...vice-member-investigated-for-alleged-killing/
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why is this in grassroots central. The Afghan killings are not related to the Ron Paul campaign. Put this in general politics.

This has nothing to do with the campaign or the grassroots aspect.
 
SCOTUSman said:
why is this in grassroots central. The Afghan killings are not related to the Ron Paul campaign. Put this in general politics.

This has nothing to do with the campaign or the grassroots aspect.
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It has to do with supporting the man who is the only one speaking on behalf of Dr. Paul and us in the media, not to mention a good argument to remove ourselves before we do more harm than good over there. It is very related to this campaign and movement, when we're trying to overcome the foreign policy meme that neocons use against us, and also to support Ben Swann for supporting Dr paul and reporting on our personal incidences of fraud that no one else will (except occasionally Maddow to embolden her liberal audience against republicans, as if the dems are any less corrupt).

Be careful though Ben. There is a very fine line between investigative journalism that can be ignored by the higher-ups, and getting a little too far into the military;s business... Not saying he shouldn't be reporting on this, I'm very proud of that, but be careful Ben... There are far more than 7 dirty words when it comes to the media, depending on what order you put them in.
 
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The point is Ron Paul is the only one who wants to honestly get out of Afghanistan... which is now unpopular with even more people. Bring our troops home.
 
TheGrinchWhoStoleDC said:
It has to do with supporting the man who is the only one speaking on behalf of Dr. Paul and us in the media, not to mention a good argument to remove ourselves before we do more harm than good over there. It is very related to this campaign and movement, when we're trying to overcome the foreign policy meme that neocons use against us.

Be careful though Ben. There is a very fine line between investigative journalism that can be ignored by the higher-ups, and getting a little too far into the military;s business... Not saying he shouldn't be reporting on this, I'm very proud of that, but be careful Ben... There are far more than 7 dirty words when it comes to the media, depending on what order you put them in.
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No it doesn't. This aspect has only to do with Ben Swann and the killings itself. Anybody then could argue anything to dwith war, civil liberties, etc is DIRECTLY related to the campaign. If you have this type of logic then the GRC forum would be destroyed and overran with these topics.

But if you are going to make this argument. I will start posting every story about false arrest, privacy issues, any war story in the middle east, iran, israel, drug arrests, taxes, etc. all in here.

Because they all are "very related to the campaign and movement."

There are other forums to discuss this. This is to discuss the CAMPAIGN itself. Not issues. Unless RP makes a statement or debates the issue or takes an interview question himself about it....then it needs to stay out of GRC.
 
SCOTUSman said:
No it doesn't. This aspect has only to do with Ben Swann and the killings itself. Anybody then could argue anything to dwith war, civil liberties, etc is DIRECTLY related to the campaign. If you have this type of logic then the GRC forum would be destroyed and overran with these topics.

But if you are going to make this argument. I will start posting every story about false arrest, privacy issues, any war story in the middle east, iran, israel, drug arrests, taxes, etc. all in here.

Because they all are "very related to the campaign and movement."

There are other forums to discuss this. This is to discuss the CAMPAIGN itself. Not issues. Unless RP makes a statement or debates the issue or takes an interview question himself about it....then it needs to stay out of GRC.
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I'll let the mods decide that, not some member who's been here as short of a time as I have and seems to never add anything positive, but rather disruptive and insulting to other members. I can't help but think that negative ones like you have alterior motives in constantly derailing things worth the grassroots seeing and discussing...

But I'm pretty confident that they're happy to give maximum exposure to the 1 guy who's sticking up for Dr. Paul and the fraud going on in this campaign. So please don't bother responding, because I will not reply and let you derail the thread more. It is up to the mods to decide what belongs here. It is the site-owners property, so I suggest you PM the mods or them if you have a concern, rather than being disruptive here.
 
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I will do. NOt grassroots related. And you cannot stand logic. If I use your logic I will post literally ever false arrest story in the news. And you cannot have a problem with that because that is very relevant to the campaign.

That is your belief and you said so much. You cannot justify one story being allowed and not the other with your argument earlier.
 
Tred carefully here Ben...

Bilal Hussein was a Pulitzer Prize winning photographer who got put away on flimsy kidnapping charges for 2 years because of unfavorable photographs he took of the Iraq War.

Under the NDAA they could put him away for implying a coverup like this... not to mention his bosses are probably begging him to reconsider right now.
 
SCOTUSman said:
why is this in grassroots central. The Afghan killings are not related to the Ron Paul campaign. Put this in general politics.

This has nothing to do with the campaign or the grassroots aspect.
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Perhaps you should nominate yourself to be a Mod. I put everything Ben Swann related in GRC and then let the mods decide whether to file it or leave it in place......


And -rep back at you, GRC Hall Monitor/Crossing Guard.
 
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Real reporting takes real balls. Looking forward to the piece. If it wasn't for the frank media the Vietnam war would have been successfully dressed up just like this one.
 
SCOTUSman said:
I will do. NOt grassroots related. And you cannot stand logic. If I use your logic I will post literally ever false arrest story in the news. And you cannot have a problem with that because that is very relevant to the campaign.

That is your belief and you said so much. You cannot justify one story being allowed and not the other with your argument earlier.
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negative posts are negative .
 
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